Man shopping with Assault Rifle Strapped to his Back at Utah J.C. Penney

Originally posted by ANOK

We should just make it easier for people to kill, because they could use anything anyway?

Nope.

People are going to kill if EVERY gun was wiped off this planet. Eventually some new implement in killing, or old one will take its place. People Kill. None of the tools in my shed are going to make a house, if I don't wield the tools. Same goes for Guns. Its a tool that should be respected.

Originally posted by ANOK
People generally don't shoot up crowds with cars, or knives, or bats.

And none of those things become instruments of destruction, unless someone decides to wield them, in that manner.

Originally posted by ANOK
You will never fix the problem of crime by arming everyone.

Yet but massive crime, murder, existed long before guns were ever invented............




This guy can do what ever the hell he wants to do, except use his weapon to kill innocent people.

I saw the pictures.

He didn't kill anyone, that I'm aware of........

reply to post by ANOK


What do i suggest?

Sticking to the damn us constitution and understanding the bill of rights, and getting a damn clue our rights do not come from government, they sure the hell do not come from my next door neighbor.

Getting back on topic about a guy with a gun.

1st amendment our rights to call out stupid government is for trying to ban guns based on looks
2nd amendment our god given right no matter what political pundits think it should mean
4th amendment the right of we gun owners to be secure in their property as per guns
5th amendment something that was already said we are not responsible for the Lanzas and Holmes and we shall not be held to answer for it.
6th amendment take us all to court and give us our rights to a fair trial

And the 10th amendment the powers NOT delegated to the Federal government, nor prohibited by it to the states are reserved to the states or the people.

Gun control is more than just a second amendment issue so what I suggest is people read before they tow the "official party line".

reply to post by neo96


Do you agree that with the appropriate regulation, given the correct mathematical formulas that
accommodate stratified levels of citizen bodies would be the correct measure to implement
in a democratic society?

For example, a wait-list response act can be regulated given an appropriate prior benchmark
and the employees available to distribute those products.

Of course, I realize that the states do not currently have full control over their
legislation and neither do the provinces of Canada. Which is why both nations
need PM's and POTUS' that ascribed to Proportional Representation which is
exactly what we all had before we elected the Executive Orders or the Conservative
Government and it's National Instruments and Welfare Reform Program Syndicate

reply to post by streetfightingman


Only fascists push regulation I do not agree with regulation.

Second agrees.

Originally posted by trysts
reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye

 

So you're saying that the country has become like those old westerns, where everyone in town carries a firearm so that they can protect themselves from outlaws? Is that your view of it? Didn't we escape from that scenario by having police departments run by citizens in our towns and neighborhoods?

Problem is I have never met a police officer I could carry in my pocket. But I can carry a gun in my pocket. Police respond after a crime has been committed they are rarely there to prevent one.

A lot of people don't trust other people that they dont know or even know, and many always think that people they dont know have ulterior motives.
Now imagine all those people with machine guns and home made bombs,Rocket launchers,bomber vest fighting helicopters,whatever !
Oh what a great place this is to live in !
I feel pretty safe

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by JonPrice
Assault Rifle & extra ammunition clips and a sidearm in a holster on his right hip... Necessary for shopping?

Maybe........

Maybe Not.

His right to do so though.

I say the mans prepared for anything.

edit on 18-1-2013 by sonnny1 because: (no reason given)

Damn right.

I wanna find this guy and hug him.

Fight the machine.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
So what happens when another law abiding citizen carrying a gun spots this guy in the car park pulling out his rifle and spare clips from the boot of his car and thinks he's just spotted a guy about to go on a shooting spree and shoots him?

Oh the irony, it burns.

Anybody who's carrying a gun around isn't going to just up and shoot somebody before the first shot is fired. That would be ridiculous. I'm assuming you think because it's an AR-25 the guy has to be getting ready to go shoot up a cinema or shopping mall.
See the media has now conditioned Americans to expect that.

reply to post by neo96


Well that's a really bold statement, you'd have to agree.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by trysts

 

That wasn't a nice thing to say

I agree!

Damn that Sigmund Freud!

No, I meant it was mean-spirited from you.

Next you have a dude riding his tank to burgerking or a guy taking his rocket launcher to dunkin donuts. whatever floats your goat.

Hey, he prob got it for christmas so he wanted to take it out to show of a little. He a really cool dude! So cool he can bust a couple of caps in your a$$ just for fun and games! lol He even looks like duke nukem...

"We are social democracy governed under a republic"

People keep getting their terms mixed up and confused.

A republic by definition is a democracy, it is not two different systems. They cannot be separated. If the government does not represent the public it is not a republic.

Just like if the workers don't own the means of production it is not socialism. The US is not a social democracy

Social democracy is a political ideology that considers itself to be a form of reformist democratic socialism.[1] It advocates for a peaceful, evolutionary transition of society from capitalism to socialism.[2]

Social democracy

The US economy is capitalist and will remain that way until people wake up and change it.

Originally posted by neo96


And the 10th amendment the powers NOT delegated to the Federal government, nor prohibited by it to the states are reserved to the states or the people.

My Favorite..........

Originally posted by trysts

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by trysts

 

That wasn't a nice thing to say

I agree!

Damn that Sigmund Freud!

No, I meant it was mean-spirited from you.

Post snipped! My apologies.

See, pro 2nd people can be reasonable.

reply to post by seabag


Also not the correct thing..it is not a fear of weapons..it is a fear of who owns these weapons.

Letting any idiot own a gun is stupid and reckless. That would be where the background and other such laws would help. It is the only logical and rational thinking way..but gun owners are not these type of people...they live in constant fear...the bad men are out to get them. How anyone can live such a cowardly life is beyond me. Don't bring up the lie about how guns help you be equal with the government...your government has and always will screw you...your guns don't seem to be making any difference. One of the bigger lies.

The only reason guns make politicians quake...is when it is election time...they don;t want the gun owners to wet their pants and fear their weapons are being taken.

Lie number two is..it is because it the love for the constitution...yeah right..where were the cries of the constitution being screwed over in Arizona...by stopping and asking citizens for ID's? or when asking for ID's when voting? You know the part about discrimination...

The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution

Also don't BS me that it was not about discrimination..it was about the fact the right thought Obama was using illegal minorities as a way to win. So how do you tell which minority was legal and which ones weren't?

So much BS and hypocrisy that the gun owners spread..it isn't even funny.

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by pryingopen3rdeye

america is a republic

A republic IS a representative democracy.

Why do so many not know that?

A distinct set of definitions for the word republic evolved in the United States. In common parlance a republic is a state that does not practice direct democracy but rather has a government indirectly controlled by the people.

en.wikipedia.org...

Constitution-based federal republic

www.cia.gov...

Originally posted by trysts

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by trysts

 

That wasn't a nice thing to say

I agree!

Damn that Sigmund Freud!

No, I meant it was mean-spirited from you.

can't agree with your mean-spirited statement ... but i do now wonder, since the statement is a foundation in the Freudian philosophy, how would that be implemented in Obama's 'mental health' checks ??

So do I also have the right to walk into the mall with a rubber penis strapped to my waist? Its a free country? I bet the cops would beat the crap outta me for that! I never heard of someone being murderd by a giant rubber penis!

"No im not gay"

Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by trysts
reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye

 

So you're saying that the country has become like those old westerns, where everyone in town carries a firearm so that they can protect themselves from outlaws? Is that your view of it? Didn't we escape from that scenario by having police departments run by citizens in our towns and neighborhoods?

Problem is I have never met a police officer I could carry in my pocket. But I can carry a gun in my pocket. Police respond after a crime has been committed they are rarely there to prevent one.

So you also have the view that I mentioned above, like the old westerns?

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by sonnny1
Says who?

Someone driving the car to get to point A and B, or the Guy who purposely runs someone over ?

Anything can be used as kill. A guns main purpose is to kill, or to sit on a shelf all day.

But you're making a ridiculous argument.

Yes anything can be used to kill, so I guess we should just allow people to have any kind of weapon they want eh? We should just make it easier for people to kill, because they could use anything anyway?

People generally don't shoot up crowds with cars, or knives, or bats. You will never fix the problem of crime by arming everyone.

How do you equate having a weapon with being a killer?