US gun debate: Obama unveils gun control proposals

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by koder
Both incidents involved guns NOT theirs....

Which is why Obama's actions don't involve gun purchases! NOT ONE!

Jesus! It's like you're living in an alternate universe. Alternate to the FACTS!

What part of asking congress to ban military style weapons and hi-cap mags do not effect purchases?

reply to post by xedocodex

Why won't you answer a simple straight forward question?

Why can't you name any specific Executive Action that you disagree wiht?

I disagree with his stated intent and the direction he has taken this debate.

I disagree with national registration. The "gun show loophole" some keep crying about can only be solved with a national registry.

I also disagree with "assault weapons ban" and hi-cap magazine ban. I'm a law abiding citizen with no criminal record. Who cares how many rounds my mag holds???

Some of you have been blinded by Obama's pretty words and feel good stories and fail to see the intent behind his actions.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by jaws1975

 

Is there any information in regards to how the vote for a assault weapons ban in 1994 went.

I know a lot has changed since them I am just curious.

Not sure, but at the time the dems controlled the house, Senate and presidency,

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

Congressman Steve Stockman has introduced H.R. 35, the Safe Schools Act of 2013 -- a bill to allow principals, teachers, and staff to possess firearms in order to defend their students.

Before 1996, American kindergartners didn’t have to fear that if a crazed gunman burst into their classroom, they would be nothing but sitting ducks.

Before then, they didn’t have to worry that federal law openly advertised that there would be no one to protect them.

“In the 22 years before enactment of ‘gun free school zones,’ there were two mass school shootings,” Stockman said. “In the 22 years since enactment of ‘gun free schools,’ there have been 10 mass school shootings.

“Not only has the bill utterly failed to protect our children, it appears to have placed them in danger,” said Stockman.

Indeed, it has.

Within a couple of years of the reenactment of the Gun Free School Zones Act, the Columbine tragedy occurred. And the series of copycat school massacres has shocked and saddened our country ever since.

Clearly, the gun ban is not working. And it’s past time to try a new approach.

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reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Just because I am curious, what are your views on gun control, what do you think should be done?

One person said today, cant remember who, that if I go down to the local store and buy a case of beer and then drive out and kill people, does this mean that beer drinkers should be registered like child molesters prior to drinking?


Where does this end?

Originally posted by antar
One person said today, cant remember who, that if I go down to the local store and buy a case of beer and then drive out and kill people, does this mean that beer drinkers should be registered like child molesters prior to drinking?


Where does this end?

edit on 16-1-2013 by antar because: (no reason given)

If it were about how many people you killed but its not. Its about what YOU can do to them.

You can't get drunk and stop tyranny.

reply to post by jaws1975


True, whatever happens it will be very difficult for Obama to get these laws to pass through.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
Just because I am curious, what are your views on gun control, what do you think should be done?

From another post of mine:

"I am a proponent of the second amendment and do NOT support any legislation that would limit citizens' rights to legally own guns. It would be nothing more than a show and would do NOTHING to help the matter. Gun ownership is NOT the problem. Mental health and a culture of "violence worship" and closed-mindedness are at the root of our issues on this matter. Making more laws will do SQUAT to help."

NONE of the actions Obama took today have anything to do with gun control. They have to do with curbing gun violence. I support a federal background check. THAT would do a lot to prevent gun violence. Wouldn't wipe it out, but it could really help.

I like Obama's actions. I think we need to look at the root cause of violence worship and the mental illness issue. Read I Am Adam Lanza's Mother

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by jaws1975

 

True, whatever happens it will be very difficult for Obama to get these laws to pass through.

That is what they thought in New York.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by jaws1975

 

True, whatever happens it will be very difficult for Obama to get these laws to pass through.

Maybe he KNOWS Congress wont be able to pass laws, so he is waiting to use "executive order" to do it for them.

Hes not a dummy.

reply to post by sonnny1

But he has used executive order to pass some of the changes he sought to make, a ban on “military style” weapons (whatever that means) would require congress to approve.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Mental health and a culture of "violence worship" and closed-mindedness are at the root of our issues on this matter.

I think Historically, "violence worship" has been a strong human pastime.



Is that a Mental issue, or is that Human Nature?

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by sonnny1

 

But he has used executive order to pass some of the changes he sought to make, a ban on “military style” weapons (whatever that means) would require congress to approve.

Who needs Congress, hey?

Originally posted by xedocodex
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

I'll start off by saying my thoughts are in a haze of shock to see what he's really done here.

The reason you are in a haze and shock is because you want to be angry, but there is really nothing to be angry about.

You wanted Obama to come out and say he is signing an EO to start confisicating guns, and instead he came out and made logical steps into making schools safer, making background checks better, and allowing health care providers to let authorities know if someone tells them they are about to kill people without worrying about HIPPA.

You can't process your emotions because deep down you know Obama made good logical choices...but you can't bring yourself to admit it.

Fox News is having a similar problem right now...they are dealing with it by not even talking about Obama's actions and talking about other things.

He was soft? What are you talking about, the 94' Assualt Rifle and Accessory ban is about to be reinstated.

If you would do some research you would understand what is wrong with the term "Assualt Rifle". Democrats half assed defined it and banned soo many weapons that "technically" shouldnt have been banned, because they where no different then their legal counterparts.

reply to post by sonnny1


Wonder if they mean Obama worship considering the guy has been killing people in the middle east,mexico and northern africa for the past 4 years and they turn around and cheer the guy for his "gun control" plans

I think you just need to get a black stock for any gun and they think it is an "assault rifle", maybe a pistol grip too.

reply to post by neo96


We both know this guy is a Hypocrite.

I am sure his "agendas" are the only thing he cares about. That, and his Legacy.

If he cared as much as he says he does, he would answer for ALL the Ills he has either caused, or turned a blind eye to.

Its easier to point the finger though.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin

Originally posted by xedocodex
I am so glad most of the Sandy Hook conspiracy theory people are on the pro-gun side and not on my side.

What a disgusting theory they have...and all born out of wanting to protect their guns.

I agree that the conspiracy theories about Sandy Hook are utterly repulsive but I don’t think it fair to say that everyone who is pro-gun automatically believes that Sandy Hook never happened.

Which is why I never said that.