Whooping Cough Outbreak Involved 90% Vaccinated Kids

You guys do realize that just because you are vaccinated it doesn't mean you aren't going to get the disease?

Vaccines reduce your chance of dying and contracting it in the first place. Key word reduce.

I got the vaccine but still got mumps. Does this mean the vaccine doesn’t work?

A: The MMR vaccine is very effective against measles, mumps, and rubella, but it is not perfect. MMR vaccine reduces the risk of getting mumps, especially if you get two doses. People who have received two doses of the MMR vaccine are about 9 times less likely to get mumps than unvaccinated people who have the same exposure to mumps virus. However, some people who received two doses of MMR can still get mumps, especially if they have an intense exposure to the mumps virus. If they do get mumps, people who have been vaccinated are likely to have less severe illness than unvaccinated people with mumps.

Before there was a vaccine against mumps, mumps was a common childhood disease in the United States, and in some cases, the disease caused complications, such as permanent deafness in children and, occasionally, swelling of the brain (encephalitis), which can result in death, although very rarely. Now, there are normally only a few hundred cases of mumps every year. However, outbreaks occur sometimes and involve a higher number of cases. In 2006, there was an outbreak affecting more than 6,000 people in the United States, with many cases occurring on college campuses. In 2009, an outbreak started in a close-knit religious communities and schools in the Northeast, resulting in more than 2,500 cases. These outbreaks have shown that when people who are sick with mumps have close contact with a lot of other people (such as among students living in dormitories and students and families in close-knit communities) mumps can spread even among vaccinated people.

The MMR vaccine also protects against measles and rubella (German measles). Before there was a vaccine to protect against these diseases, millions of people got measles every year, and hundreds died. Now in the United States, less than 100 people get measles each year. Before the MMR vaccine, rubella was also a common infection in the United States. As part of a worldwide epidemic, in the United States in 1964-65, 20,000 babies were born with serious birth defects because their mothers were infected with rubella. Now in the United States, cases of rubella and its related birth defects are extremely rare. For both measles and rubella, cases in the United States usually occur when people bring the disease in from other countries and spread it to other people who haven’t been vaccinated.

www.cdc.gov...

When enough people are vaccinated it stops the breakout of a pandemic. It also reduces the chance anyone will catch the disease.



If Polio was still going around...NONE of you would go without taking the vaccine. The only reason anti-vaccine people exist nowadays is because there aren't viruses going around paralyzing and killing people on a mass level in 1rst world countries. This creates a false sense of security.

And I'm not saying to trust every vaccine or anything. Just make sure to do the research.

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Thank you for pointing this out.



This topic seems to lack the same standards as the UFO forum. Most of you are posting about how vaccinations are harming you. I can’t disagree that there may be some harm but looking at history there seems to be a positive effect from most vaccinations
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In short, please prove that the majority of critical vaccines are useless. Otherwise it’s a figment of your imagination.

Originally posted by Miraj

Originally posted by rickymouse

Originally posted by Miraj
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To prove that the vaccines are worthless, you would have to prove that they are the same strain that these children were vaccinated for.

So by claiming they are useless, and don't do what they promise you actually hold the burden of proof.


I offered a simple explanation as to why these vaccines wouldn't work. You can choose which side you want. Vaccines may have risks, but that does not mean they flat out don't work.

Well in this case they were worthless, same strain or not. If they don't work it doesn't matter, they were worthless. No evidence is needed to show this other than the overall ratios being about the same.

Actually, that's the definition of what matters.
A vaccine can only protect against the most common strain (or whatever strain the vaccine is engineered for). It's like blaming a firefighter for not disarming a bomb. A vaccine can only do one job. It's a gamble when you get one. If you come into contact with a strain thats mutated so that your body has no engineered defense, then it is indeed worthless. But you still had the defense against the one you were likely to get.

whooping cough is a bacterial infection, are you saying that there are different "strains" of bacteria that cause whooping cough?

I think a lot more research needs to be conducted before we jump to conclusion and decide about the usefulness of the vaccines in general...Humans,like any other species used to live a natural life dealing with a little bit of dirt,bacteria and cuts and wounds which in result served as a natural vaccine for us...We can still see this natural immunity among people of some less developed countries.Indians specially have strong immune systems ...But in today's super sanitized world (for at least developed countries) it seems that we need some kinds of vaccination for our bodies to be able to function properly and to fight the certain diseases....I am not in favor of all vaccines and i certainly don't like the way Big Pharma operates and makes money,but at the same time i can't completely ignore the efficiency of some of them.

Originally posted by caranw
There are two reasons that I can think of why the pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine is ineffective these days.

1) Previously children years ago were vaccinated with DTP. The pertussis component contained whole killed cells in the vaccine for immune system stimulation. Nowadays the kids get DTaP, or what's called acellular pertussis. Basically they use only parts of the bacterium instead of the full cell. This could be a huge contributing factor for the current vaccine's ineffectiveness.

2) The second reason is my major disdain of most vaccines. Most injection vaccines (regardless if for virus or bacteria) stimulate IgG systemic antibodies. However you really need mucosal IgA antibodies for neutralization of the pathogens at the surfaces of epithelial cells. If you don't elicit the correct antibody response, the germ can actually replicate and increase infectivity.

Considering pertussis is a "mucosal" (mucus/respiratory) infecting germ, you need to elicit IgA antibodies, and the current vaccine just isn't cutting it.

so basically they are making cheaper less effective vaccines so that they can maximize profits.

This is the largest epidemic of whooping cough in the U.S. in the last 50 years, something went wrong. oops our bad

Originally posted by theMediator

Originally posted by rimjaja
FYI- the vast majority of chiropractors do not advocate vaccinations nor do they vaccinate themselves or their families. Therefore they are great local resources for you to tap into, giving you copies of the latest studies, guiding you how to get exemptions for school, and knowing which local MDs are antivac friendly (and who won't give you a hard time if you choose not to pray to the alter of big pharma).

I know a lot of chiropractors are intelligent and know a lot about medicine but the whole profession is a half scam in my opinion. It does as much bad than it does good and I'm being positive here.
I don't know if it's like that everywhere, but chiropractors are not considered to even be doctors by doctors in Canada...hence why they are probably more open to say that vaccines are a scam!

Takes one to know one!...just teasing you chiro's out there :p

Hope you are joking.

If not then you are wrong about chiropractic.

When. I was a child - suffered debilitating migraines that required me to lay down in bed for hours on end. There was nothing anyone could do. They averaged 1 per week. Doctors called them stomac migraines. I learnt to astral project out of my body to escape the pain. It was many years before I realised that I was astral projecting becuase as a child who is to know. I just did what I needed.

Anyway to cut a long story short, I was having less severe episodes up until my early 20's and stubled across a chiro who was into chakras. Anyway, it turns out that my hips were causing pressure on my spine and after about 18 months of manipulations I had never felt better. 20 years later - have been back to a chiro one time for a couple of treatments when I fell awkardly and presto all good.

If you think chiros are phony, then you sir, are ignorant.

I have heard stories of chiros not being any good, but the principles and applications are sound and it will always come down to the practioner.

As far as vaccines go, the only ones needed are Rubella, polo, small pox, mengicoccal. Everything else is a scam.

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Get your flu shot or you will die.

Seriously, you'll die.

Get it now.

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Apologies, but I haven't read the whole thread through.

Going by the first couple of pages I don't think many have actually seen what's going on here.

There are threads that date back to 2010 and maybe even earlier, all with the same catch cry of "such and such percent of children vaccinated against whooping cough got whooping cough"

Unfortunately, the anti vaccination crowd can't see the forest from the trees and miss the obvious.

I refer to this peer reviewed study that was carried out on 135,000 patients...

Unexpectedly Limited Durability of Immunity Following Acellular Pertussis Vaccination in Pre-Adolescents in a North American Outbreak

Research into natural pertussis immunity and more durable and effective vaccines should be expanded. An earlier booster dose and targeted vaccine programs are strategies that should be entertained and could be vital to controlling widespread outbreaks of disease.
Use of targeted vaccine programs in adolescence, rather than delivery of additional boosters defined by age, might be an alternative vaccination strategy that would address parental concerns regarding additional scheduled vaccine doses and increased cost.

It would seem that there needs to be changes in how the vaccine is implemented.

Your child is still more likely to get whooping cough if they not vaccinated.

The United States saw as many as 200,000 cases a year of
diphtheria and pertussis before vaccines were available, and hundreds of cases of tetanus. Since then, tetanus and diphtheria cases have dropped by about 99% and pertussis cases by about 92%.

www.cdc.gov...


(Pertussis is whooping cough.)

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You should follow your own advice and check the other sources.

How about the Vermont Department of Health?

What about the Vermont Department of Health? Your source is "Vax Choice Vermont." Where did they get that table? It is not available at the Vermont Department of Health website. Here is what they have to say:

How many vaccinated people are getting sick?
It is different depending on age. For teenagers (13-19 years), 67 percent of reported cases had received the Tdap vaccine. For reported cases in children age 11-12 years old, 39 percent had received the Tdap vaccine. For children under age 10, 54 percent were up-to-date with the DTaP series.

Remember that protection from the vaccine is very good for several years and gradually decreases. It’s still very important to get vaccinated. According to data from California’s epidemic in 2010, children who didn’t get all of their vaccines are more than eight times as likely to get whooping cough as fully vaccinated children.

If the vaccine doesn’t last very long, why should I get it?
The vaccine we use now works very well for the first couple of years. Even after five years, children are still 70 percent protected from whooping cough. People who are vaccinated can sometimes get sick, but they are not as sick and do not spread the disease to others.

This is especially important for people who are around babies. Infants who are too young to get vaccinated usually get whooping cough from a family member or caregiver. Infants are at the most risk for getting very sick and potentially dying from whooping cough.

healthvermont.gov...

That is in line with the article from NEJM. Perhaps if you could find Vax Choice Vermont's source for that table, you could be justified in using it to support your case.

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I just stated to you that I research and immediately you state I need to look further than the internet - I do and that is why I am thankful that fellow awakened researchers have educated me. You need to read my posts carefully and when you respond don't make assumptions.

I am sad for all the Children who were perfectly healthy before they were vaccinated and now have a depleted immune system that is fighting both the illness and the toxins that have been injected directly into their bodies.


Much Peace...

If you got bit by a dog with rabies, which one of you anti-vaccine people would not take the rabies vaccination?

Pretty sure every single one of you would beg the doctors for it.



This kid could have lived if he were vaccinated. But no, vaccines are evil right?

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I am sad for all the Children who were perfectly healthy before they were vaccinated and now have a depleted immune system that is fighting both the illness and the toxins that have been injected directly into their bodies.

You are grossly mistaken...



Taken from the study in my post above.
I recommend you read it.

I had a flu shot one year. Got very sick like I have never been before with flu.

Then next year got even sicker when the flu went around

Then never been sick again. Little cold but no more flu.

Fact

Originally posted by rimjaja
FYI- the vast majority of chiropractors do not advocate vaccinations nor do they vaccinate themselves or their families. Therefore they are great local resources for you to tap into, giving you copies of the latest studies, guiding you how to get exemptions for school, and knowing which local MDs are antivac friendly (and who won't give you a hard time if you choose not to pray to the alter of big pharma).

Chiropractors have no place in commenting about vaccines or other meds. They are NOT doctors of medicine. chiropractors are the modern version of the old west's snake oil salesmen. Their trade is pure quackery. Research their bogus "subluxation" dogma. True chiropractors believe ALL ailments come from a crooked spine.

Check this quackwatch link for more info:

Quackwatch: Chiropractic

There are too many stains of flu to get vaccinate to every one of them. I believe they try to reach out those strains
by experimenting but it's each one according to his gift.
Who wants to let big pharma play with your immune system when you're aware they don't take responsibility for anything like a corporation because in the end it's "good luck with that & come what may".

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Back in the early 1940's in Australia, my brother and I had whooping cough innoculations. My brother caught it first and gave it to me. The innoculations were pretty much useless. However, when it came to childhood diseases my brother attracted everything that was going and there was no innoculation against measles in thos days.either. The only thing I ever beat him too was mumps and I woke up on Xmas morning with them.

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[mor
Back in the early 1940's in Australia, my brother and I had whooping cough innoculations. My brother caught it first and gave it to me. The innoculations were pretty much useless. However, when it came to childhood diseases my brother attracted everything that was going and there was no innoculation against measles in thos days.either. The only thing I ever beat him too was mumps and I woke up on Xmas morning with them.

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And I'm not saying to trust every vaccine or anything. Just make sure to do the research.

I agree here with you, do not trust every vaccine.

Our young babies in Aus are jabed with hep shots with in moments of being born followed up with a Vit K shot.

Unless you tell them directly and firm that you will not take it lightly if they assult your new born baby with a deadly weapon they will stick your babies every time.

It works every time. A waiver is signed and your name is mud while you are there but some nurses agree and can be very very helpfull.