Whooping Cough Outbreak Involved 90% Vaccinated Kids

Oh yeah, I totally agree, the shots have something wrong with them. Here's what I posted on 6/17/2011 about it:


"4 months ago my grand-daughters had their combo vaccine which included the Whooping Cough vaccine.

1 1/2 weeks later the twins fell sick and the doctor upon seeing them thought it was just a viral bug, no worries.

1 week later my son, who is 30 years old got "the bug".

He went into the doctor and the doctor said, "Whooping Cough" even though he had been vaccinated for Whooping Cough as a child. My son told the doctor about his twin girls being sick and his doctor said to have the twin's doctor recheck them.

Twins were rechecked and sure enough had "Whooping Cough"

By this point I had the bug and my son's doctor treated me for "Whooping Cough" even though I had been vaccinated as a child.

We were visited by the City of Austin Health Dept who made sure that all of our family and any visiting friends and my grandson's school were all notified and that all who had been around any of us were treated with a Z pack of antibiotics.

We live in a very nice area, very nice homes, the twins aren't in large crowds or anything like that. They are cared for at home by their other grandmother, who btw was also vaccinated.

Hmmmmmmm, I wonder what gave the twins "Whooping Cough"? Could it be that quality control is lacking at the plants who produce the vaccines, occasionally allowing live bacterium into the mix instead of dead bacterium? That was the discussion I had with the City Health and they said that they were not allowed to report possible bad batches, that that was the CDC domain, but they felt that many of the current outbreaks could be attributed to that but the way the system is set up their hands were tied. They did acknowledge that they noticed that many of the households that have been hit with this illness usually had a child who had recently been vaccinated in it.

Also, it turns out that all you adults out there need to go in and ge re-vaccinated 'cause evidently they wear off over time."

This article does not in any way show evidence for the whooping cough vaccine causing children to develop whooping cough. If you read the full article, you will see that 74 children had received the recommended 5 doses of the vaccine and 68 had received one more than this amount, which is 79% of all the children who contracted the disease in the outbreak, whereas according to healthvermont.gov... 70 percent of vermont children receive "every vaccine in the recommended series". Note this is a lower bound, it could be that a further number of children had the DTaP vaccine (the one that protects against whooping cough, diphtheria, and tetanus).

So at most we have that 79% of the children with the disease had been vaccinated versus 70% of the children who had not gotten the disease being vaccinated. With a group of only 178 children contracting the disease, this is not significant enough to show any probable relation between having gotten the vaccine and contracting the disease (though it doesn't show the vaccine causing any protection, either).

Diseases are caused by cells with have markers on their surface. When you're exposed to a disease your body sees the markers and creates cells that "remember" them, so if it sees those markers again those cells will make your body produce other cells that search for and destroy the disease cells. Long story short, your immune system has a "memory". It turns out, the memory the DTaP vaccine gives your immune system doesn't stay there for very long. According to the article:

"The problem with DTaP, as a study published last month in the New England Journal of Medicine shows, is that the vaccine loses its effectiveness. The study compared 277 children, ages 4 to 12, and found that a child’s odds of contracting pertussis increased 42 percent every year after the fifth dose."

TL;DR: this is not an example of a vaccine causing children to acquire a disease. However, remember that vaccines do not (and also do not claim to) make it impossible for you to contract a disease.

reply to post by abecedarian

A link in the OP's source says there were 252 cases, 92% were vaccinated... So how did it jump from 252 to 620?

Because the date range are not the same ?

From OP Article :

Vermont has declared a statewide epidemic of whooping cough that started in 2012 and has continued into the year 2013.

And from the graph : January 1 2012 to September 5 2012 which is 6 months old...




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It just tells me that the vaccine is worthless, the government should get a refund. The insurance companies should get a refund so they can lower peoples insurance costs. Now Vermont's health is trying to get adults vaccinated, what a scam.

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To prove that the vaccines are worthless, you would have to prove that they are the same strain that these children were vaccinated for.

So by claiming they are useless, and don't do what they promise you actually hold the burden of proof.


I offered a simple explanation as to why these vaccines wouldn't work. You can choose which side you want. Vaccines may have risks, but that does not mean they flat out don't work.

The only cases of whooping cough I've ever seen IRL were all in kids who had been vaccinated.



I'm pro-vaccination in some cases, but not in all.

I remember the swine flu thing a few years ago - my MIL was harassing me endlessly to get the kids vaccinated. But I was reading about the dangers & lack of testing and refused - and then my kids had multiple exposures to it at school, confirmed cases in their own classrooms. I said, "oh, well, too late now!" and none of us ever got sick.

Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

To prove that the vaccines are worthless, you would have to prove that they are the same strain that these children were vaccinated for.

So by claiming they are useless, and don't do what they promise you actually hold the burden of proof.


I offered a simple explanation as to why these vaccines wouldn't work. You can choose which side you want. Vaccines may have risks, but that does not mean they flat out don't work.

Well in this case they were worthless, same strain or not. If they don't work it doesn't matter, they were worthless. No evidence is needed to show this other than the overall ratios being about the same.

This is super interesting, atleast there vaccinating, well... atleast we think they are.

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Unfortunately the brain washed sector of society will have to watch as their Children suffer - in spite of being vaccinated. Vaccines are full of toxic elements in the adjuvant or carrier (that's the fluid that is mixed in with the actual vaccine) and combine the fat and sugar laden diet of a lot of Children and getting sick is only a matter of time.

When parents get their Children vaccinated and watch them suffer serious illness we have to hope that their thinking kicks in and they start asking questions. We have to hope that they will ask questions like - my Child is vaccinated so why are they so sick?? We can only hope. Being in the awakened state can be difficult as it is painful to watch people suffer needlessly but the awakening process is an individual one and we just have to keep encouraging the sleepers to ask questions.

Much Peace...

Seeing as this is happening in only Vermont....I'd assume that there was a faulty batch distributed there....

But nah, let's just jump into saying the whooping cough vaccine causes whooping cough, or it's completely ineffective. smh.

Originally posted by Amanda5
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Unfortunately the brain washed sector of society will have to watch as their Children suffer - in spite of being vaccinated. Vaccines are full of toxic elements in the adjuvant or carrier

whoa, this is a very ignorant thing to say....
the toxic elements were found in minute quantities, and in very few of the vaccines.
Saying all "vaccines are full of toxic elements" is completely false.

reply to post by Ghost375


I have conducted research and am by no means ignorant. Think of vaccines as a drink like cordial - you have your small amount of cordial and then you add your water. The vaccine has a small amount of actual vaccine and then the adjuvant or carrier is added and that is what fills the vial.

Do you know what goes into the adjuvant? I suggest you go and conduct your own research and don't be surprised to find out I am right. I have learned from other researchers, some who have made it their purpose to educate the masses about exactly what goes into a vaccine.

Much Peace...

What more could I say?

Originally posted by rickymouse

Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

To prove that the vaccines are worthless, you would have to prove that they are the same strain that these children were vaccinated for.

So by claiming they are useless, and don't do what they promise you actually hold the burden of proof.


I offered a simple explanation as to why these vaccines wouldn't work. You can choose which side you want. Vaccines may have risks, but that does not mean they flat out don't work.

Well in this case they were worthless, same strain or not. If they don't work it doesn't matter, they were worthless. No evidence is needed to show this other than the overall ratios being about the same.

Actually, that's the definition of what matters.
A vaccine can only protect against the most common strain (or whatever strain the vaccine is engineered for). It's like blaming a firefighter for not disarming a bomb. A vaccine can only do one job. It's a gamble when you get one. If you come into contact with a strain thats mutated so that your body has no engineered defense, then it is indeed worthless. But you still had the defense against the one you were likely to get.

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Do better research. Maybe go to an actual library.
Don't just believe anything you read on the internet that supports your preconceived ideas.

You're reading things that are designed to sway your opinion a certain way....you need to look for what they aren't telling you....gimme a sec while I find a good source for what you're missing.




MSDS safety sheet for Alluminum Hydroxide

Alluminum Hydroxide is the most common adjuvant. While some forms of Alluminum are highly poisonous, Alluminum Hydroxide is not, especially in the quantities that are present in vaccines. On a side note, adjuvants are technically just another solute dissolved along with the weakened virus, or other particle. The bulk of the liquid isn't "adjuvant." People outside the scientific community may call it that. It's not. I should quit arguing semantics. The fact is Alluminum Hydroxide isn't the solvent for vaccines.



You probably don't know how to read a MSDS. It does say it is "slightly hazardous." But before you start saying it's a poison, you need to scroll down and it says what it will do if excessive quantities are ingested, and it causes stomach aches....

Bottom line, vaccines, as bill whatever said, are the cures too over population. Kill em
With vaccines

Originally posted by JerkyBeer
Bottom line, vaccines, as bill whatever said, are the cures too over population. Kill em
With vaccines

bottom line...they aren't designed to kill people.
It's a hoax spread by people with no background in science, who aren't smart enough to understand scientific documents and research. See my previous post for a more detailed explanation.

Originally posted by abecedarian
I could tell you "there's an outbreak of morbidity" and "100% of those who died consumed bread within the previous 5 years", and it would be statistically equivalent, if not definitive, since my statistic is 100%, yet the other is only 90%.

Did you do any of your own math? Let me help you. These are all things you mentioned in your post.

Worldwide pertussis cases CDC Pertussis we will favor the high side which is 50 million.

World population World Population Clock

.00007 percent of the population is affected by pertussis each year.

Vermont pertussis cases. We will use your low number. 252.

Vermont population Population of Vermont

.004 percent of the population is affected by pertussis.

You can spout all this nonsense but from a mathmatical paradigm your data does not hold water. This does not even include the fact that most of the worlds population is not vaccinated and in the United States vaccines are strongly encouraged if not mandated.

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Yeah......I would again, learn more if I were you...

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You are missing the entire point. Vaccines are like a bandaid for civilization. We have existed for thousands of years with no vaccines. Now that everyone is getting pumped full of weakened dead viruses it should be the end all of disease. Wrong. These, things, want to live and they will adapt. If you subject your body to the "easy way out" it won't have the tools to actually fight minor mutations.

You are putting yourself at risk at the theory of protection.