What will happen if there is a civil war in America?

reply to post by MajorMayhem


Well, Major, assuming you are a Major, it seems you don't know your enlisted men very well. If they desert, defect, or just refuse to carry out an unlawful order, which is their right, who will fuel up, arm, maintain, and repair the equipment you mention? Sure you can fly it, but can you fix it? Can you do the job of the Helo Mechs or ordinance guys? If so, you sir, are a very rare officer.

If you're forced to fire on Americans, don't you think it would go through your mind that at that very moment, somebody could be firing on your loved ones? I know it would go through mine if I was still in the Navy.

On a lighter note, wanna hear a joke?

An Ensign asked his divisional LCPO why Ensigns wear gold bars. The Chief, a 20 year vet, grinned and replied. "Well, Sir, Gold is valuable, like you, and like you, gold is malleable. When you make LTJG, you will wear a silver bar. Silver is less valuable, and less malleable. As a Lieutenant, you will be twice as valuable, but no less malleable. Then of course, as a Captain, you will be required to soar above your peers, that is why you'll wear an Eagle. Then Of course, as an admiral, you will be a Star, and shine above all else."
"But Chief," said the young Ensign, "You forgot about Lieutenant Commanders and Commanders."
The chief sipped his coffee, and grinned.
"Well, Sir," replied the Chief, "What they wear on their collars is one of the oldest traditions in the Navy, nay the Military, dating all the way back to the Book Of Genesis where we used leaves to cover our Pricks."

reply to post by MajorMayhem


Also, I understand what the Military is capable, as much as you do, I was honerably discharged last march.

As former military men,what is your opinion on the JFK coup de tat and all of the online evidence that proves the coup de tat actually happened.

Youtube "JFK secret service standdow"and let me know what you think when you see your presidents eyes as a former military man himself at that instant his military mind told him his SS detail was making a tactical move against him,and tell me what you think of him not standing everything down right then and there,what you think about his action of refusing to back down or step back,of his action of pushing himself against his side door as far away from his wife as was humanly possible so as to face his fate alone and to keep her safe ??


You fellas need to get your crap straightened out---together you all have the resources and the desire to challenge this coup de tat influences but you dont even talk about it,it must be to painful.Good thing Kennedy wasnt thinking about that pain when his Secret Service escort began abandoning their posts,dont kid yourselves ,JFK knew at that moment what was happening,look at the one Secret Service Patriot the ON SINGLE MAN WHO FIGHT FOR HIS PRESIDENT AND COUNTRY as the rest of the evil forces abandon him and America in the same moments.

Who do you want to be,the SS men who knowingly deserted their President at a moment they knew was terminal or the man who was forced out of his post under duress while he fought for his country and leader,maybe he didnt win but he raised his hands and his voice and he stood strong and did his best.


I mean seriously already,you guys are military so there is NO WAY you cannot see what hapened and if you can see it then how as true Americans can you not rise up and fight to fix it now that all the data is available online for the ENTIRE WORLD TO SEE.You can count the shots,you can take an overhead picture of the motorcade in Dealy plaza and you can use a kids ruler to draw the shooting lanes by creating a protectionary zone around Jaqueline Kennedy and extrapolating the snipers locations based off of where they had to be to follow the orders to NOT HIT the First lady.The one single weakness that exposes everything is the very American order to under any circumstances right up to operational interference that woman wasnt to be hit with any bullets.The one single biggest influence in the coup de tat mada an American decison that influenced every facet of a multi-front operation,several team operating as cells were given the same overriding order and it forced them to do things they normally wouldnt have to set up in places that were not the best,this one single mistake allows us to unravel many things.


There are doctors and policemen and literally hundreds of living people online telling their truth and those truths all fit together for the world,dont you guys even hear about this stuff or what??

There are deathbed confessions all over the place that fit the constellation of evidence that is now available online in cyberspace,this cuop de tat has been utterly and completely exposed,so how the heck can you guys just carry on as if its business as usual???

It seems impossible to me that this could happen---how is it possible that an entire nation can sit there and let the WORLD see what has been done to them and their children,todays Americans cannot claim they were lied to and data was withheld,all the data in available as of the last ten years,the truth is all over cyberspace,so where are all the patriotic Americans???

They even called it "The Big Event"for christsakes this pisses me off and I am not even American,for over 40 years I have beed angry about this and he wasnt even my leader,or MAYBE HE WAS,maybe at that moment in time America really was a WORLD LEADER,but that was then and on that day that American future was sold out for money and power,now it has to be bought back with desire for justice and passion to protect Americas childrens futures,the key to rebuilding America is in rebuilding her from the HEART out,Men in their 60 and 70s are involved,men in their 40s and 50s have little knowledge and to much to lose,men in their 30s and 20 will need to be the real heros here.

Its called the sins of the fathers and we are not guilty of carrying them forward if we are ignorant of the facts,but in todays information world we can ALL see the facts and the truths,we can ALL watch the peoples Court online at will,so if nothing is done by this generation then I fear all is lost.Stop your countrys being divided by stopping history right now,step up not back and forge a new and just future,you CAN do theis,you must do this.

I know that there seem to be many many other more important issues at hand right now in American History,but you must recognise that it was on that day in Dallas when the coup de tat was executed that Americas growth came to a screeching halt,the growth of the power and fortunes of a select group of men and women continued to grow by bleeding off Americas resources and energy and by robbing its children of opportunity and the future their forefathers fought for them to have.This action was done in part by Americans and it must be Americans who right this horrific wrong that has stalled the growth and health of one of modern historys greates countrys.

You want to stop a civil war??You want to galvanise your countrymen??Have a public trial and execute a few thousand warrants and feeeze a few hundred billion dollars of global assets using your military,and that alone will right your ecomomy,redistribute wealth,and revive your weakened national Identity,not to mention it will also re-galvanise the entire world behind America,we still want her as our Global leader,but not with the coup de tat groups influences still in place,the people must be exposed history must be expunged and hundreds of billions of dollars must be repatriated usinh military force if needed wherever on the globe these assets connected to this coup de tat sphere of influence happen to exist.

Obama can do this,he can step down and enter a re-election after the cuop de tats sphere of influence has been uncovered and made public if it doesnt include him knowingly or unknowingly.America doesnt need a civil war it just needs one man or woman to step up and not back,that seed has always been Americas strength,that one Patriot who refuses to step back or down.One person needs to go to the courthouse in Dallas and file the proper legaleses that rengages this investigation and saves an entire nation from terminal decay from within.

Its much easier to plan and execute a program designed to restore something that is simmering under the surface than it is to destroy what little is left of America.Your patriotism is legendary and simmering under the surface of a damaged traumatised National identity, but so is your criminal past,history is saying that the criminal past has won the day,maybe its time to rewrite history or become that history,time is up,its now or never.

Spend a night youtubeing all the literally sickening truths surrounding the coup de tat your country was forced to accept and then you will come together at last and begin to heal the break in your hearts,it is not each other you are required to battle,it is the money and the few people behind it,after all you are military so you must understand the importance of power structures and the methods of protecting them ,the many ways of putting up firewalls that create reaction time for them to run,you guys must see how easy it would be to dissect this dynamic.

All the data is online--names,places,companies,corporations,churches,off-shore entitys,all the operational data is freely available in the public domain.

By the way I am not military and it would take me 24 hrs to cripple any major city anywhere in the world and given simply the men few and little resources required then the entire nation within those same few hours.

Two man teams to each of main water ,power,transportation hubs,medical hospital,law enforcement,fire depts,and airports and your city is crippled,I dont even need to use conventional weapons,flus and non-terminal bioweapons would do nicely.Done simultaneously this would paralyse a nation,twenty major cities and twenty small ones and the job is done with 560 men and a sea container of resources.Heck one well managed janitorial company with some sympathetic bids on contracts would be able to fill the envelope quite easily.You could attain operational sucess with forty Janitors doctoring doorknobs coffe pots for a two hour timeperiod.

You guys need to think again,a civil war in todays world would be much different than running through the bushes with muskets and tomahawks like the Movie the Patriot.No government could dominate a determined guerilla force because they would simply enact the perfect Russian scorched earth policy and destroy the resources enmasse ,the sooner that happens the sooner their enemys must make themselves available.There can be no government without support from the people---with no ifnrastructure and no abiity to rebuild it the support of the people would soon be lost and so would government control.

It would be a bloodless change of power.But there would be a lot of infrastructure damage done in a short time period.

A government with no infrastructure and resources cannot function .Technology has rendered the job of destroying those core areas a very easy one,everything is centralised and the replacement cost and ability is in many cases horrendous and would take years to complete after simply a few hours of pinpoint action.

As far as a new government goes Americans are already informally voting on social networks in cyberspace,just as they are finding the real truths of their lives in the Peoples Court of cyberspace.

reply to post by one4all


I have never though Oswald killed Kennedy. I'm just curious as to what we should do? People have been putting the truth on that subject for years, but most people don't buy it. Remember Obi Wan Kenobi's "Certain Point of View" speech in Return of the Jedi? There's a lot of truth in that. Many of the things we hold as truths pertain to our own certain point of view. What else could be done to bring the truth to light? Many people, from Jim Marrs to Alex Jones, and hundreds in between have brought up the JFK assassination. Most people pay it no attention. What do you think should be done?

reply to post by dave_welch


Tell people to use youtube ,tell people to listen to the words and look into the eyes of those people they see and hear,support the truths the internet holds,break the traditional media grip tv nes and radio has on us all.

Education is critical,talking is critical within your communitys,working together to expose the trail of money and power,working with the factions of your government who are supportive of the quest for truth and immediatly abandoning with prdjudice any government factions who slow the process or refuse to engage it.

it really takes one American to walk into a courtroom and revive this criminal investigation from the jurisdiction it started in in Dallas,but that person needs the support of the legal system or a person who is familiar with it totally.

Your best bet is a Federal Judge who has terminal cancer and little to no family to worry about retribution on,to be a patriot and begin an irreversible process.The problem america has is that the government will not cooperate and uses national Security to silence the truth,So you probably need a high ranking government person and a Judge and most likely some very powerful money people for support.You must get past the national Security excuses and to do that you must use integrity and the legal system,America has the best legal system in the world and the people who initiated this cuop have gone to their greatest lengths killed more peole within the sphere of knowledge and spent more fiscal resources to keep this out of the formal legal system than they did to plan and execute the cuop de tat.,as they know how well it actually works and how supportive the American people are of the laws in their country.

People need to be on 24 hour live internet security being broadcast from wherever they are 24/7/365 until this is over,the Peoples Court will protect them if we use its power.If these witnesses are murdered we will all see and become infuriated worldwide.The people can protect the people now,times have changed.Each and every killing to cover up anything in todays world leaves a deep and permanent data trail,in fact crimes from 100 yrs ago today have a clear and precise data trail that can actually solve them now.It is cyberspace and it is the future and the present.

What you can do is exactly what we are doing now,show the videos to your friends and familys,dont give up or give in,support your fellow Americans ,use your computer and printer,get the truth out there everywhere you can,dont be ashamed to say your truth,break the hold traditional media has on you,dont let people simply say you are a conspiracy theorist speak up loud and proud and dont back down.

All people need is the data,the information,Americans are good people with an excellent sense of Justice and fairness,get them the information and they can be counted on to get the rest of the job done.

Start by youtubing"JFKs secret service standdown"and watch the beginning of the coup de tat,then keep digging in the videos intil you also see another SS man called off the back of the limo because he was obstructing the shooting lanes for the snipers,he was called off at the last second just befor ethe shots began its hard to find but you need to see it,because the Secret Service is your Federal Government.

You need to show this to people,youtube"the most famous wink in history"and watch these monsters grinning and winking at each other over your Presidents murdered body and in the presence of youer First lady,and get pissed off about it,mad enough to spread the truth with conviction.

What you can do is learn as much as fast as you can and pass it on make these videos go viral,use your skills to support the spreading of the truths that people are offering not the media manipulations we have been suppressed with for generations,celebrate the liberation the internet offers and use it before we all somehow lose it,because this is the only way to wipe all the data out,let books be destroyed for a generation or two,make everything digital then use a solar flare as an excuse to wipe it all at once.

when will the crumbling begin ?

doom fail

reply to post by syrinx high priest


No doom,no fail,and no crumbling,America was built on integrity and truth,a dearly easrned set of values and freedoms embraced by the entire world on many levels--this illness can and will be cured permanently,humanity is now seeing firsthand the battle between truth and lies and cyberspace is the battleground.

Sucess,growth,progress.

Originally posted by MajorMayhem

Originally posted by wulff
reply to post by MajorMayhem

 

Well, we would like to think the majority of the military would be on our side! Are you saying if the leader of the United States decided the Constitution was worthless and wanted to take over, you would follow along? As a vet that really makes me sad.... if that happened and I could get back into the left hand seat of our B-52, my buddies that fought by me said they are ready to defend the country from tyranny... are you?

No,
what I'm saying is that I trust that the civil population, as well as my brothers in arms... would fight and solve any unjust law in the right way... In court, or recall elections, marching on our capital and generally doing the things we Americans have always done!

But I am also saying that a small group of radicals falls into that "all enemies foreign and domestic"

Domestic Enemies, is a concept a lot of folks have trouble with. but in reality its simple. A group or organization that threatens to destabilize our government and or the safety of our citizens.

When I say that ,groups like al qaeda, spring to mind, but any group that tries to start a civil war, willing to combat anyone who opposed their views is a Domestic Enemy. Law enforcement and the military are not conflicted in this. they exist to preserve and protect the whole.

edit on 19-1-2013 by MajorMayhem because: (no reason given)

Meaning no disrespect for a fellow brother in arms, I'm afraid I don't look at the direction our 'leaders' are taking us. Take off the rose colored glasses and realize our current administration has no desire to settle anything in court, won't happen! He is going to flex his power and see how far he can push his agendas on the people of the United States,
I am worried about small things that he has done such as the 'open mic' where he was plotting something with Putin, Now anyone that has lived through the cold war knows Russia never has deviated from their agenda and would like nothing better than to 'bury us!'
The "apology tour" where Obama and H. Clinton went around cowering to our "friends" about America being bullies makes me sick!
I have always felt we will be free as long as we remain the sole Super Power and enforce this through superior weaponry! I am well aware of the might of our armed forces and have kept up with the technology. I had the pleasure to check out in a Bone (B-1) during the early 80's and really was impressed. But don't think that the armed citizens are toothless red-necks that shouldn't have a say in our country's direction.
I feel my family has a real voice in this country as my grt grt grt grandfather was a Hessian solder that defected to General Washington's Army and was given land for his services, 3 of his sons died defending the Union and my own dad was a decorated Army Air Force WW2 soldier. My Uncle was declared MIA when he attacked a swarm of Japanese fighters in his Corsair (his wing-man had to return to the carrier but my uncle had other plans and was never seen again) I did 2 tours in SE Asia. Yet I feel the values we all fought for was for an agenda that no longer exists, Obama would like nothing better than the USA to be assimilated into the UN or EU, this is my true belief!

reply to post by Golf66


Let me start by saying, Pleasure to meet you. and yeah I hear where your coming from.
Turns out I'm what they called a maverick... My first three years I served as a lowly 0311 basic combat infantry. Only got as far as lance Cpl. got out went to college and got approached by another recruiter, "How'd you like to learn to fly?" " well Hell Yeah!"

of all the people on here you and I know just what an impossible task a civil war would be. no winners only bloodshed.

No, you'll never find a JG officer on here. at least one who'll admit to it. they watch us to closely, you'd get called on the carpet for posting here. No, you have to be out of the system before you can speak your mind. While I don't know who's doing it I'm pretty sure sites like these are closely monitored.

I've always admired you SPEC OPS types gotta admire a man who dedicates himself to his chosen craft. My skills lay elsewhere.


I also want to say I'm glad I got everyone all riled up. it means your thinking and that's better than jumping in blind

Originally posted by dave_welch
reply to post by MajorMayhem

 

Also, I understand what the Military is capable, as much as you do, I was honorably discharged last march.

Ah another brother in arms. and good you too understand how bad this would be.
Still I got to ask and from the point of us both having served. yes we both know a fair number would want to walk away... but how many more would view it as just another sortie?

reply to post by wulff


I'm with ya 100% brother. I'm worried about the direction our country is going too.
All I'm saying is I don't see a civil war as being feasible or successful.

Think MSNBC would grace us with a nightly body count?

As for the rest of you, wulff and I have earned the right to get up in each other's faces, we've both been threw the #. Come back and talk to me after you've been covered in blood, your own, your buddies, your enemies puking your guts out and you'll never forget the smell... It's not a F'en game--- it's bloody and brutal kill or be killed.

It's the reason I still have nightmares and flash backs!
that's the reality of it.

reply to post by MajorMayhem


I guess it all depends on the scale of it. If it's large scale, most people would start to fear for their own loved ones, I know I would.

reply to post by dave_welch


I think the Powers That Be could control a Civil War very easily if they wanted to by using this heat ray weapon:

I'd say that a large number of the military would not follow that order as it is an unlawful order

Almost everything Bush did was unlawful or unconstitutional and instead of going against him most military members cheered him on (that's one of the reasons I got out of the military).

But it doesn't matter, Obama is never going to try to outlaw all guns, so this whole thread is pointless.

Originally posted by CB328

I'd say that a large number of the military would not follow that order as it is an unlawful order

Almost everything Bush did was unlawful or unconstitutional and instead of going against him most military members cheered him on (that's one of the reasons I got out of the military).

But it doesn't matter, Obama is never going to try to outlaw all guns, so this whole thread is pointless.

Yes, but he also got them payraises, ect. I was in the Military for both of them, and benefits-wise the Bush military was a lot better. President Obama has cut support and moved to reduce the ranks, but hasn't done anything to stop either of the wars, thus making him unpopular with current Military members. Also, the unlawful orders from Bush weren't military action against the American populace. I didn't mention Obama in my post, did I? It's a hypothetical post, in a possible near future, which could mean four years from now when there's a new puppet in office. He's made it clear that he is anti-gun, however he also knows that a gun ban is something that would have to go inch by inch and not all at once. I don't really think that he's trying for a complete gun grab though.

Originally posted by CB328
Almost everything Bush did was unlawful or unconstitutional and instead of going against him most military members cheered him on (that's one of the reasons I got out of the military).

Ok, I'll bite I served on active duty during the entire Bush Presidency (both of the Bush's actually) I can assure you I have never been given an unlawful order by anyone.

You have any idea the hoops through which one must jump before an order is given at the DoD level? There are teams of lawyers who do nothing but review plans and orders to ensure they don't violate the constitution.

Every Field Grade Commander in the military has a lawyer or access 24/7 to one just to give him a warm fuzzy feeling about it. All orders are questioned and reexamined at every level of Command.

Any ambiguity/implication (Being in Special Forces, intent, orders and plans can be pretty vague and skirt the law for sure but they don't break it.) is challenged or reviewed...

I found this interesting, might be a reason why all of a sudden the taking of guns has come up:
This is truly insane, if true: (hat tip to Atlas Shrugs and LiveLeak.com for this)

FEDS GRANT EMINENT DOMAIN AS COLLATERAL TO CHINA FOR U.S. DEBTS!
Beijing, China


Sources at the United States Embassy in Beijing China have just CONFIRMED to me that the United States of America has tendered to China a written agreement which grants to the People’s Republic of China, an option to exercise Eminent Domain within the USA, as collateral for China’s continued purchase of US Treasury Notes and existing US Currency reserves!

The written agreement was brought to Beijing by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and was formalized and agreed-to during her recent trip to China.

This means that in the event the US Government defaults on its financial obligations to China, the Communist Government of China would be permitted to physically take — inside the USA — land, buildings, factories, perhaps even entire cities – to satisfy the financial obligations of the US government.

Put simply, the feds have now actually mortgaged the physical land and property of all citizens and businesses in the United States. They have given to a foreign power, their Constitutional power to “take” all of our property, as actual collateral for continued Chinese funding of US deficit spending and the continued carrying of US national debt.

Now couple this with Agenda 21, and investigate why the state of Alabama repealed it from their charter, (all states have ratified it), This is a UN Charter on Eminent Domain signed into law by Clinton and ratified by Bush. All this together could be spelling trouble.

reply to post by candlelight


Link please?

reply to post by khimbar


Atlas Shrugs and LiveLeak.com

reply to post by candlelight


Links to the actual articles please.