Patriotic Group To Build Armed 'Defensible' Neighborhood Fortress

So, how would the commune handle someone coming in and setting up a warehouse meth lab? It's live and let live, right? The person wouldn't be hurting everyone if he took his product outside the commune, right? Would the commune allow this to happen or not?

Seems like this would be a paradise for drug manufacturers.

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I'll bet one thing...

This community will be male dominated and not many women will want to live in that type of commune.

Gonna be a bunch of horney old farts sittin around polishing their guns.

Originally posted by crappiekat
Waco Texas.

First thing I thought of when I saw this thread.

I know David Koresh was a nutcase. And the Branch Davidians were a religious cult.

IMHO, I think this is a bad headline, waiting to happen.

If[/b ]they advertise their venture in this way.

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It does surprise me how many people bring up Waco.

Maybe it shouldn't. Most people don't know what happened in Waco. They just throw it out there as a trolling technique.

I haven't seen a single shred of evidence or intention that this or any other planned community has a "submit your wife, money, children and family as homage to the president of the property owners association" clause. Nor is there a "Worship the community founder as a god." requirement in the deed restrictions.

Maybe we should see professional sports teams, universities and the military as cults as well. They are very similar to Waco and other cults. Strict rules, preset and onerous activity restrictions, required uniforms, forced eating and sleeping times as well as required learning regimens. Requirement that the members pay homage to a deity or false image such as a (Baltimore) Raven or a (New Jersey) Devil. Willingness to risk one's life and or health in service to the organization.

Yep.
We finally figured it out. The Boston Celtics are a cult.
And ATS scores again!

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Professional athletes are paid millions of dollars though. Cult members give their assets to the cult. Hence the donation form immediately below the story. They want to get you donating right away. No wasting time getting settled in an actual community.

Originally posted by TheComte
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Professional athletes are paid millions of dollars though. Cult members give their assets to the cult. Hence the donation form immediately below the story. They want to get you donating right away. No wasting time getting settled in an actual community.

Yep. You're right.
The Red Cross Must be a cult too.

And what about those creepy girl scouts?
Always running around selling cookies.
Thin mints. Very addictive.
I just donate when they are selling.
Otherwise I'd put on more weight eating the cookies.
Sinister.

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Are saying this commune is a charity?

The concept behind this place makes me deeply uneasy for some reason.

Originally posted by TheComte
reply to post by badgerprints

 

Are saying this commune is a charity?

I'm showing that anyone can take the extreme or absurd view in an effort to attack those that they don't like.
It doesn't actually make it logical or even reasonable.

The most severe disciplinary action may include the loss of Lease and expulsion from the community.

so, you won`t actually own the land or your home, you will be leasing one or both?

since it`s a lease agreement than it has to conform to the laws.

adhesion contract (contract of adhesion) n. a contract (often a signed form) so imbalanced in favor of one party over the other that there is a strong implication it was not freely bargained. Example: a rich landlord dealing with a poor tenant who has no choice and must accept all terms of a lease, no matter how restrictive or burdensome, since the tenant cannot afford to move. An adhesion contract can give the little guy the opportunity to claim in court that the contract with the big shot is invalid.

There is nothing unenforceable or even wrong about adhesion contracts. Insurance contracts and residential leases are kinds of adhesion contracts. This does not mean, however, that all adhesion contracts are valid. Many adhesion contracts are Unconscionable; they are so unfair to the weaker party that a court will refuse to enforce them.

If you are donating money to purchase the land for this community then you are an owner of the land and therefore no lease is required.

Well, I found the website.

This little bunny is curious.

Will have to investigate.

It may start with good intentions, but generally these sorts of things always fall apart. The problem is someone in there is going to be the alpha dog. They will start calling the shots. They will start demanding the others live the way they deem right and the whole "live and let live" idea will fall apart.

We are talking about humans right? Someone always takes charge and directs the group. It's just how it goes.

Originally posted by Tardacus

The most severe disciplinary action may include the loss of Lease and expulsion from the community.

so, you won`t actually own the land or your home, you will be leasing one or both?

since it`s a lease agreement than it has to conform to the laws.

adhesion contract (contract of adhesion) n. a contract (often a signed form) so imbalanced in favor of one party over the other that there is a strong implication it was not freely bargained. Example: a rich landlord dealing with a poor tenant who has no choice and must accept all terms of a lease, no matter how restrictive or burdensome, since the tenant cannot afford to move. An adhesion contract can give the little guy the opportunity to claim in court that the contract with the big shot is invalid.

There is nothing unenforceable or even wrong about adhesion contracts. Insurance contracts and residential leases are kinds of adhesion contracts. This does not mean, however, that all adhesion contracts are valid. Many adhesion contracts are Unconscionable; they are so unfair to the weaker party that a court will refuse to enforce them.

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Yep.
Just like tens of thousands of existing communities all over the US.
The POA can auction your home in most planned communities dues or coverage of fees for simple infractions. Are they all cults?

Originally posted by badgerprints

Originally posted by Tardacus

The most severe disciplinary action may include the loss of Lease and expulsion from the community.

so, you won`t actually own the land or your home, you will be leasing one or both?

since it`s a lease agreement than it has to conform to the laws.

adhesion contract (contract of adhesion) n. a contract (often a signed form) so imbalanced in favor of one party over the other that there is a strong implication it was not freely bargained. Example: a rich landlord dealing with a poor tenant who has no choice and must accept all terms of a lease, no matter how restrictive or burdensome, since the tenant cannot afford to move. An adhesion contract can give the little guy the opportunity to claim in court that the contract with the big shot is invalid.

There is nothing unenforceable or even wrong about adhesion contracts. Insurance contracts and residential leases are kinds of adhesion contracts. This does not mean, however, that all adhesion contracts are valid. Many adhesion contracts are Unconscionable; they are so unfair to the weaker party that a court will refuse to enforce them.

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Yep.
Just like tens of thousands of existing communities all over the US.
The POA can take your home in most planned communities for simple infractions. Are they all cults?

no they can`t, all they can do is put a lien on your home for the unpaid association fees, they most certainly can`t evict you from the community and confiscate your home.

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Is that true? I've heard of people getting repoed by HOA's so I'm not sure about that.

Originally posted by antonia
It may start with good intentions, but generally these sorts of things always fall apart. The problem is someone in there is going to be the alpha dog. They will start calling the shots. They will start demanding the others live the way they deem right and the whole "live and let live" idea will fall apart.

We are talking about humans right? Someone always takes charge and directs the group. It's just how it goes.

This post ^ reminds me of something... Oh yeah - The United States Under BO

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus

the US would appear to be collapsing in on itself if this is it's future.

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That is the problem. The US IS COLLAPSING on itself, and it is not because of this idea. Just look at how many young people cannot get jobs, and are living with their parents, even with a college education. Such a country cannot survive very long. In addition, a country cannot survive long by printing money, because at some point, nobody with accept it. People who fail to learn from the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it, Witness Nazi Germany and the super inflation that occurred there.

so what about it being a xenophobic, badly thought-out idiotsville that is a flag bearer for all that is worst about the US? this kind of crud will only damage the nation it claims to love

and godwin's law

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by Tardacus

 

Is that true? I've heard of people getting repoed by HOA's so I'm not sure about that.

This patriot community is accepting donations to buy the land, so if you donate you are an investor and part owner of the land,just as the investors who bought the land that your community is built on are the owners of the land,they are just leasing the land to you.your association fees are your lease payment.
There is no need to "lease" land that you are the owner of.
people who don`t live in communities with POA are still technically paying rent for the land they own everytime they pay property tax to the government.In a way the patriot community panel will act as the government and collect yearly fees (taxes) from the property owners who live there.

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Well, it always easy to blame Obama., but I tend to think out society has always been that way.

It's just how humans operate.

reply to post by Tardacus


I see, that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus


This is an extremely interesting idea. It certainly gives people the opportunity to avoid some of the liberal, socialist trends that are accelerating under the current administration. I'd like to know how many people would consider joining such a community. Furthermore, I'd like to know whether those that are opposed to the current direction of this country, would be willing to help build such a community if one were available in your state?
One of the things that could accelerate such a movement, would be if the free militias of the various states were to endorse and agree to be part of such communities. If such communities were fairly self-sufficient, they could barter and avoid income and sales taxes. In addition, the idea of teaching schools without socialist leanings seems very attractive.
I know that economic issues may make it very hard for many people to join, but theoretically, would you be willing to participate in such an endeavor?
Let's try to keep this free from trolling, personal attacks, and just stick to the issue.
I believe that this is an important idea for a country that most believe is broken, and many believe is so corrupt that free elections are all but impossible.

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Altho i think this idea is pretty cool, and would even consider it myself......if they werent bias against people who arent gay etc, I dont agree with that line of thinking.........

However I do agree with the fam values, the right to bear arms, the education, self sufficiency etc........

But Me thinks this could make ruby ridge and waco look like a kindergarten spat with how these people in gov operate.......

They could feed alot of needy people with that much wasted money.

Its gonna be really funny when these poorly educated people start facing the 3rd world problems of their 3rd world fantasy bunker.