Since the U.S.A is the most hated country in the world let's pull out

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by HelenConway

 

Who said anything about wars I said policing which is ongoing even today. We have been kind enough to not bill you but you can bet on a bill with those demands.

Ok I am a bit slow here , maybe - but who is the US policing on behalf of the UK ?

I think you have mistaken me for someone in power that has a say in dealings of the world.

I may be mistaken but it seemed that response was addressed to me my apologies if it wasn’t.

I guess custodian is a good enough description of the US the title is interchangeable with janitor in the states. Like a janitor we clean up messes but never to the point where it sparkles but just enough to get the job done. Like a janitor we are sick of the job and wish someone else would do it or at least keep their own space clean and I would hazard a guess that many janitors are sometimes so fed up with it they wish they could walk away maybe even burn the place to the ground so they would never have to deal with it again but that doesn’t apply to their own home just their place of work. After all it is a dirty job but someone has to do it but it doesn’t mean we are happy about it.

Using analogy’s works well in parallels but it never describes the situation perfectly it only can get so close.

perhaps if the janitor is on a job creation scheme by crapping in the hallway then fetching his mop?

Originally posted by Grimpachi
I think you have mistaken me for someone in power that has a say in dealings of the world.

I may be mistaken but it seemed that response was addressed to me my apologies if it wasn’t.

I guess custodian is a good enough description of the US the title is interchangeable with janitor in the states. Like a janitor we clean up messes but never to the point where it sparkles but just enough to get the job done. Like a janitor we are sick of the job and wish someone else would do it or at least keep their own space clean and I would hazard a guess that many janitors are sometimes so fed up with it they wish they could walk away maybe even burn the place to the ground so they would never have to deal with it again but that doesn’t apply to their own home just their place of work. After all it is a dirty job but someone has to do it but it doesn’t mean we are happy about it.

Using analogy’s works well in parallels but it never describes the situation perfectly it only can get so close.

you said the US Navy is policing the world on behlaf of the UK and that you should bill the british tax payers.
So my question is - which part of the world is the US military policing on our behalf ?

reply to post by HelenConway


no need to ask the same question twice.

Let me ask you this. Does the UK get oil from the Middle East? Does the UK have goods from Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Pakistan, china, or does it have everything it needs already? Have you watched the movie I talked about because that would be good bases to answer your questions and actually it would answer most of the questions being asked? It isn’t the end all say all but it is a good jumping off point.

reply to post by skalla


I never met a janitor that needed to create work for themselves.

reply to post by Grimpachi

then allow me to introduce you to the the USA and it's allies.

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by HelenConway

 

no need to ask the same question twice.

Let me ask you this. Does the UK get oil from the Middle East? Does the UK have goods from Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Pakistan, china, or does it have everything it needs already? Have you watched the movie I talked about because that would be good bases to answer your questions and actually it would answer most of the questions being asked? It isn’t the end all say all but it is a good jumping off point.

edit on 13-1-2013 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)

Well I am not clear what you mean - where is the link to the movie.
Britain has different relationships to the above countries then the US. We do not get goods and services from Pakistan but we do have 6 million of their countrymen living within our shores.
Why does Japan need policing or China ?
Just because the US Navy is patrolling the South China Seas, does not mean that the rest of us want it or should pay for it to do so.
Why is the US even involved in Korea ? Why should we pay for this ' service' when we did not request it ?

reply to post by HelenConway


It is on page 4 of this thread only 2 pages back but you can click here.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
BTW every question you just asked is answered in the movie so I will check back with this thread in about 8 hours that should give you enough time to play catch-up and watch the movie ah I will check back in 12 or 13 hours just to be sure.


Don’t get me wrong those are good questions but they all have good answers if you take the time to watch. The movie can be found on Netflix but if you can’t afford it I am not going to ask you to download it from a torrent site or anything because asking you to do that wouldn’t be right for me to do. It is only like 2 dollars to buy though I don’t know if that is asking 2 much.

reply to post by skalla


I was aiming to expand on the "uk govt is a willing partner/patsy" (not willing and certainly not a patsy).

The Brits have learned all the lessons from History, something that the US lacks.

To me the most mischievous nation in the world is without doubt the England (distinction intended) akin to a ferret (not a lion), next would be the US, that had to learn the ropes from the "parent" (during the fight for Independence and especially during WW2, the US intelligence did grew as an offshoot of the British services) but I think that the Brits left out the lesson about historic responsibility and national dignity, probably even intentional. Some of the crazy stuff the US engages in the Brits would never go along with and some other they are forced to but the interdependency they have established, but I bet that the do a lot of eye rolling.

I think if they did go Communist/Bolshevik things would have been better to all. Russia would not have been able to extend and modernize (Stalin would probably ended his rule, completely differently). Germany would probably return to a democracy had they lost it in the process, getting a nation out of a economic crisis is not easy for the ruling party, and here begins the question. Would a communist Germany ally with Russia to take over Poland as a way to exit out of the crisis (I doubt that, since the militarism that overtook Germany was a result of the ideology of the NAZIs, and the blind eye from the rest of Europe to what was going on was due to sense of admiration from the power elite).

One thing would be assured there wouldn't have been a Spanish Civil War, the dictatorship in Portugal would probably be much shorter, with a high probability of both to go Communist and Mussulini would probably gotten into a war with communist Germany or been overthrown sooner. Italy and Greece would be also Communist.
nations today..

All those nations would have also done a better decolonization. With time France would also start to move to Communism. The UK would slowly evolve faster to Socialism and with time join the rest of Europe.

reply to post by Panic2k11

er, cool, i appreciate you trying to spread info but with respect i dont need a very basic history lesson and also disagree about the british govt/ruling elite etc etc being unwilling, but this is all way off topic a whole other mahoosive thread

reply to post by Grimpachi


replying on the basis that you earlier suggested i check out the movie you referred me to and give you my opinions, sorry but i am not about to subscribe to a monthly pay service to watch said movie when the diverse wealth of news/info/analysis etc available to me allows me to make up my own mind without the bias of listening to just one producers POV to do so....

I think this map say's it all,

president.globalincidentmap.com...

For our officials that is, I firmly believe that it's not us they hate, It's our rouge government.

reply to post by skalla


Wow I don’t know what to tell you kid. If I knew a way to securely buy it for you I would. When you get your first credit card and can afford the whoping $2.99 maybe this thread will be active however I doubt it. Maybe one day it will air on regular TV and you can catch it then however I don’t have the time to explain the thing to you on here. No worries here it doesn’t make much of a difference to me what your education is.

Good luck to you in life I hope you find some wealth one day.

reply to post by Grimpachi

what ever you say, my boy

reply to post by alldaylong
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I love how USA is so hated, but when tragedy ever strikes another country they always look to USA first for aid... Talk about bad people

Originally posted by HelenConway

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by HelenConway

 

no need to ask the same question twice.

Let me ask you this. Does the UK get oil from the Middle East? Does the UK have goods from Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Pakistan, china, or does it have everything it needs already? Have you watched the movie I talked about because that would be good bases to answer your questions and actually it would answer most of the questions being asked? It isn’t the end all say all but it is a good jumping off point.

edit on 13-1-2013 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)

Well I am not clear what you mean - where is the link to the movie.
Britain has different relationships to the above countries then the US. We do not get goods and services from Pakistan but we do have 6 million of their countrymen living within our shores.
Why does Japan need policing or China ?
Just because the US Navy is patrolling the South China Seas, does not mean that the rest of us want it or should pay for it to do so.
Why is the US even involved in Korea ? Why should we pay for this ' service' when we did not request it ?

Why is the US even involved in Korea

Ever heard of the U.N BTW the British were there during the police action.History lesson

reply to post by rockymcgilicutty

The GWP is the amount of wealth created every year worldwide. After the dust settles the 80% that the US does not produce will still be produced and traded between the other countries of the world.

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by daskakik

 

It is not just the money the US spends in the international economy in fact that is a very small part of what the US contributes internationally. The US is the single largest military presence in the world and without it the world would destabilize into chaos. The US didn’t even want to get involved in Bosnia and Kosovo but the UN was powerless they couldn’t do anything even with UN troops on the ground, it took US intervention to quell that mess and that was the UKs backyard. Without US intervention the Middle East and Asia would destabilize without a doubt most likely resulting in WW3 so your view on the affect the US has on the world is seriously misinformed. You need to look at the big picture not just the small fragment you understand.

I never said any of that wouldn't happen but the truth is that the US has done its share of destabilizing when it is in its best interests so with the US in or out any country may still be at risk of this type of situation.