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Originally posted by JayinAR
fruitless debate
Originally posted by alfa1
Originally posted by iSHRED
I'd rather just discuss the content of what he said.
Dowloaded and scanned through the first one to get an idea of what he had to say.
His argument was a very long winded way of putting forward two tired old chestnuts...
- The "watchmaker" argument, first proposed by William Paley in 1802.
- The "its all too improbable to have happened by chance alone", therefore : God.
Bit of which sound lovely but dont stand up to any scrutiny at all.
Originally posted by RandyBragg
You have to admit it is a step in the right direction at least. An attempt to form a basic argument is being made, he could have just done the classic "god told me he is real" thing.
reply to post by MarioOnTheFly
TextProve me that this salvation is real, and not another bedtime story fro the sheep from the "authority". Bring me "other side" whitnesses. Give any single point or even a hint of evidence of the existence of salvation ?
Originally posted by iSHRED
I'll check back to see if anyone has any good points or questions but other than that i'm resigning from the debate.
Originally posted by Barcs
"The consequences of not believing in god, if he exists, are far greater than drinking a class of poison tea"
Originally posted by ImaFungi
For those who dont believe in God... Why do you think the universe can be explained without God?
Originally posted by jeramie
Originally posted by MrUncreated
It's not that there isn't a god, it's just that they don't care about us. At least that's the conclusion I come to when I look around. Hard to believe there's a god who would allow half the # that runs rampant on this ball of mud.
God cares more about us than we could ever imagine. He offers us the plan of salvation through means which is available to anybody and everybody, if they just accept it.
Originally posted by alfa1
Originally posted by Barcs
"The consequences of not believing in god, if he exists, are far greater than drinking a class of poison tea"
Pascal's Wager, from 1600's.
As I said before, this guy is just rehashing old arguments that have been done to death before,
brings nothing new or original to the table,
so why is he worthy of any discussion at all?
Originally posted by MrUncreated
What you are saying doesn't even make sense. If I take a sack of puppies and throw it into a dryer on low heat, and tell them I will turn the machine off if they accept me as their master, what does that make me? Okay, then. That's your god.
Originally posted by Barcs
Right on.
A benevolent god would never threaten his own creation with idea of eternal torture, without even notifying us of his presence. We're just supposed to guess that god XYZ is the true god or we suffer eternally? That's the main reason I think most religions are a joke. They prey (haha) upon people being afraid not to believe.edit on 10-1-2013 by Barcs because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ImaFungi
For those who dont believe in God... Why do you think the universe can be explained without God?
what is the significance of whether or not a god created the universe, what would that change for you and others?
How do you view the universe? what do you think it is? how do you feel about it? how long do you think existence (somethingness) has existed? why was there an exact quantity of energy, and why were the laws of physics in favor of a universe that turned out the way we view it, are it, and exist within it, allowing us to do all we have ever done and can ever do?
Originally posted by ImaFungi
what is the significance of whether or not a god created the universe, what would that change for you and others?
How do you view the universe? what do you think it is? how do you feel about it? how long do you think existence (somethingness) has existed? why was there an exact quantity of energy, and why were the laws of physics in favor of a universe that turned out the way we view it, are it, and exist within it, allowing us to do all we have ever done and can ever do?