Iran Successfully Builds Nuclear Bomb With Russian And Korean Help, And Has Plutonium For More!

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by happykat39

 

Didn't Iran and North Korea get American help with their nuclear programs at one point or another?

So we can just as easily say that the USA did this...not that the source, or the content is valid.

Yes America helped Iran because it's part of the NPT. All the signers of the NPT are obligated to help one another to develop nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.

I find it interesting how you people think your words and opinions get things done, or even matter. War is the only thing that has EVER settled human differences.

Iran has a right to a nuke, but America has a right to not want them to have a nuke. Iran also has a right to attack their enemies, but their enemies have a right to attack as well.

Do you really think paper solves anything? Really? Take a look back at the entirety of human history, only WAR has mattered.

I'm willing to die for my beliefs. Also, I could right an entire dissertation on what I just typed, in fact, I did for my Military Science and Diplomacy degree. So, please do not think of me as a war monger, but a realist.

Nothing is wrong with peace, but you must stand up for what you believe is right. If I believe Iran having a Nuke is not good, but Iran believes it is right, then let us go to war. The victor will decide.

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by happykat39

 

Didn't Iran and North Korea get American help with their nuclear programs at one point or another?

So we can just as easily say that the USA did this...not that the source, or the content is valid.

Yes America helped Iran because it's part of the NPT. All the signers of the NPT are obligated to help one another to develop nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.

...and to make sure that is actually used for peaceful purposes. Didn't Israel bomb a French made reactor once?

reply to post by milkyway12


I agree, as long as you both have all the right information. If you don't, you are just fighting blindly with no honor and neither side stand for anything, other than killing.

I know there are a lot of new people to ATS that don't know the history of a lot of things, we are all on a path of learning and none of us know everything.

But is this more about Iran wanting nuclear capabilities or global bankers wanted to install a central bank in Iran after they did the same in Iraq and Libya?

THINK about that the next time the mainstream media tries to suggest we invade another nation for an entire decade.

Dictators and murderers and others like them do not respect human decency. They do not understand empathy or compassion. If there ever was an alien, it would have to be these people. Pacifism fails when there's anyone thats not a pacifist. It only requires one other person to not follow along. That other person will have uncontested power and the ability to destroy all others because they refuse to fight. Since we know that not everyone is a pacifist, it follows that pacifism is impossible. Let me ask you, would you sit and remain pacifist as a dictator or murderer or rapist overtakes the world?

Pacifism is evil UNTIL everybody can at once be pacifist. The only way I see this being possible is if there's only one person left on the planet. Therefore, pacifism is ALWAYS evil because if there was only one person left on the planet then that's essentially the end of our species.

Every thriving evil person needs pacifists.

When a dictator or rogue regime acquires a nuclear weapon and threatens other countries as Iran has and has supported terrorism to the extent that it has we cannot ignore it.

Who cares if they have a nuke. we obviously haven't had any Iranian missile's hit the united states yet.
Fact: America has more nukes than any other country
Fact: Nukes are not long rang missiles
so why raise any fear? good luck trying to smuggle that thing anywhere. If they do have one, the proper governments already know and will track its every position vigorously. so relax, pop a brew, and watch then end of the world with me when it happens. Chances are, America is gonna be the one to cast the first nuke. or should i say the third. The fourth and fifth id expect to be retaliation. so can your really blame them for creating just one?

Originally posted by eLPresidente
I know there are a lot of new people to ATS that don't know the history of a lot of things, we are all on a path of learning and none of us know everything.

But is this more about Iran wanting nuclear capabilities or global bankers wanted to install a central bank in Iran after they did the same in Iraq and Libya?

THINK about that the next time the mainstream media tries to suggest we invade another nation for an entire decade.

edit on 9-1-2013 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)

The way i see it, EVERY business has a "hustle" or an illegitimate way to make more money. War is just another business, along with politics, and the media.

reply to post by happykat39


If it's real, it's 50 year old technology that already has counters to it.

If it's not real, the more likely, then it's just propaganda.

So yea, no reason to fear either way.

Nobody cares really about Iran or North Korea .. come on .. see the facts ..

The European Union has increased their trade with Iran over the last 3 years without any hesitation:

ec.europa.eu...

If it really would be an issue (and the EU is a lot closer to Iran than the US) than they would not deal with Iran. No it's all about money. All these sanctions against Iran are more than flawed because every sanction comes with exceptions .. most sanctions are only affecting products that are directly exported/imported to Iran, but you just pass it through a proxy/transit country and it's ok (which 95% of the time happens anyway).. so all BS how I call it.

The Iran/Israel conflict will never really end .. Iran will not drop a bomb on Israel and vice versa .. if you actually look at Iran itself, it's a pretty developed country .. pretty Western if you forget the Human Rights Abuse and some of the crazy laws they have .. why would anyone there want to destroy that? So what's the point of that conflict?

Now we believe for a moment that Iran has the Nuclear Bomb .. what are they going to do with it? If they tell everyone and show Evidence - than everyone knows that they got it - and will face a pretty bad response not only from the US but also some of their allies .. probably with some pretty harsh ultimatums to dispose them or face military consequences .. doesn't make sense that they would do it?

If they don't say anything, than these Nuclear Bomb(s) will rot in some underground facility because they can't really use them .. again, it would mean suicide ..

But we can speculate for the next 100 years .. will not change the fact that we really don't know and we don't know if some crazy man is hitting the red button .. either in North Korea, Iran or in the United States .. :-D

what a bunch B S

"The Khondab site, according to the source, expands on the activity at Iran’s previously secret site in Fordo, about 80 miles away. When the existence of Fordo was revealed in September 2009, much of the nuclear bomb research and equipment was later transferred to Khondab"

ok so they knew in 09 that it was at one site and so moved it, well if the "informant" knew they moved it to this site in 09-10 why didnt they tell the u.n to check in this area since iran has let them check pretty much anything they have wanted to inspect so far?

WHAT A CROCK OF $%^&

"The imagery clearly shows some kind of highly sensitive and fortified installation supporting a deep underground facility inside the mountain"

Some kind of? wtf kind of information is that, he says it is a bomb making site , but then the imagery is "some kind of"
R O F L

oh and how bout this little gem, lol
"“Whatever is going on inside needs a lot of electricity"

i thought he knew what was going on inside lol

WHATEVER ,,,, wow if this is the kind of crap you need to come up with to be an informant , hell i can do that from my game room lol. sign me up...

and this is just a stright up lie, it doesnt get any better than that lol

"regime’s defiance in stopping its enrichment and preventing the International Atomic Energy Agency from inspecting suspect sites"

funny it seems most that have been appointed to this agency are corrupt, heh

"He serves on the Task Force on National and Homeland Security "

Same old story.

The OP is total BS and the poster “happykat39” know nothing at all.

How many times again and again the Iranian government and their leader should be announcing that we don’t have nuclear “weapon” and we don’t have any “ambitions” to own one because it is against the very fundamental laws we follow.

But again and again some ignorant posting garbage’s like this, trusting it by ever growing ignorance and wish to feed us as FACTS?

Well done…!

Same story like Saddam…. DAMN IF YOU DO, DAMN IF YOU DON’T

End of story.

even though i highly doubt this story, what do you expect? of course they are going to try and get a nuclear weapon so countries like the US will leave them alone.......we are CONSTANTLY threatening them and pushing them into corners with sanctions. and nobody, NOBODY in there right mind is going to fire a nuclear missle at ANYONE. we have been the only ones crazy enough to do that. let that soak in for a second.

reply to post by happykat39


Great! Perhaps they can stop the US from invading another country illegally with it.

The funniest aspect in all of this is you have a bunch of ATS who are scared that Iran might have a nuclear weapon because they are "the devil" and then you have another bunch of ATS who outright call out the US for invading countries and overthrowing governments and for being "the devil".

Totally hilarious.

T

Major reason voices against a ignorant thread like this exists is because more and more people are waking up to media propaganda.

First bunch of cave dweller crashed couple of planes, media pointed at Afghanistan, Americans went and wiped women and children, along with Taliban.

Next, was Iraq, Agency and Media pointed at Iraq, saying they have WMD, forces went in and did the same thing, and left the country in a turmoil.

Now its Iran. and i think most are reluctant to go all out on that country because of the previous lies and scandals the government and media used.

Now if ii was Iran, wouldn't i see what America did to its neighbors and protect myself? especially with Israel already having nukes.

Originally posted by happykat39


I don't know if this is true or not,but either way it is disturbing. The idea of a nuclear armed Iran should have world leaders much more concerned than than they seem to be. I don't know anyone personally that has a single doubt that Iran will use their nukes as soon as they have enough of them. But our leaders still think they can negotiate with mad men.

www.wnd.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

Why is an armed Iran disturbing. When was the last time Iran attacked another country. I think I would want Nukes with Israel for a neighbor and the USA snipping at me.

Well done to Iran.

reply to post by luciddream


Yes, blame Al-Queda and fight them in every country. Except Syria. Then donations are open to the public to give them money. Are they terrorists or friends? Why fight them in one country but help them in another? It just goes to show that they need war to survive. If there was no war, the us economy would tank even more quickly then it is now.

People don't understand that Iran is already armed .. maybe they don't have a chance against the US Military but they are armed .. again .. nobody cares really ..

Look at North Korea .. they have Nukes - for sure and Technology that can send a Satellite into Orbit .. nobody cares again ...

Originally posted by happykat39

I don't know anyone personally that has a single doubt that Iran will use their nukes as soon as they have enough of them. But our leaders still think they can negotiate with mad men.

www.wnd.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

Why would an entire nation commit suicide. You think they do not know as a government that the day they launch is the day they die? Pure hyperbola is what you are preaching. If you were Iran and all the nations of the world want your oil and do anything they an get away with to get your oil wouldn't you want some nukes? A host of nations that have proven themselves war-mongers and manipulate the media and are telling you they are invading and your gonna just sit there?

How many countries have we attacked in the past 20-30 years? How many has Iran attacked? None? Who is BS'ing who?

There have been plenty of views expressed here. Some politely, some very rude and disrespectful. But even some of the rude ones have had valid points.

A lot of the replies have painted the situation as pure black and white with no room for anything in between. Those are the ones who completely missed the mark. There is more than enough blame to go around for all parties concerned from the U S and Israel to Iran, North Korea and others.

What some fail, or refuse, to see is that in this complicated world of geopolitical one-upsmanship there is no such thing as pure black or white, but rather a million shades of gray.

Has the U S stuck it's nose in places it shouldn't have; without a doubt. Has Israel acted in a less than innocent manner; again, without a doubt. Has Iran made threats that should have the rest of the world worried about the true intentions of their "peaceful" nuclear program; and once again, without a doubt.

In do doubt though that the U S will ever launch a nuclear first strike. Not after the negative PR, they got, and still get, over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I cannot say I feel the same way about both Israel and Iran.

My real problem with Iran acquiring nuclear weapons is that they have, on countless occasions, made threats to "wipe the little Satan (Israel) and the Great Satan (the U S) off the face of the map". These threats have been made in broadcasts from Iran and in front of the United Nations. They have been recorded and transcribed to the point where no one can claim that they didn't mean what we say they said.

Then we have the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and most, if not all, of his close political and religious associates are members of a sub order of Islam known as "Twelvers". Their belief, and the reason behind the threats made by Iran's leaders, is that it is their sacred duty to cause as much chaos as possible to pave the way for the return of their Twelfth Imam, otherwise known as the Hidden Imam or the Mahdi. The Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who took over Iran after the ouster of the Shah of Iran (Mohammad Reza Pahlavi) even went so far as to outlaw the Twelver sect of Islam as being too dangerous. This from someone who still wanted to turn the world into an Islamic Caliphate by peaceful means if possible and by bloody force if necessary.

Then some of the replies claim that I, and others, don't know anything about Islam because we mention the Twelvers and their agenda. But is is they who don't know Islam. Islam is not a single religion and/or ideology; it is made up of a few major sects like the Sunnis and the Shiites as well as a few minor divisions. One of these sects is the twelvers. Their beliefs and agenda are well recorded and documented even in their own holy book, the Koran, as well as the hadiths and other holy writings that support the Koran.

So, while I will admit that the U S and other players are guilty of some majorly bad actions, that still doesn't mean that I am going to stop worrying about Iran's leadership's threat to the world if they do acquire nuclear weapons; if they haven't already done so.

Then there were a couple of statements that if Iran did have nukes they would have already used them. That is not necessarily true. The Muslim Jihadists are known to wait until they have enough of an upper hand to win, or at least cause maximum damage, before acting. If that means that they want 10 or 20 nukes before making their move then they will bide their time until they do have them. They are also known to wait until a time, like one of Israel's feast days, to strike so as to cause maximum political damage or personal demoralization to the enemy.

A peaceful Iran is not necessarily a peaceful Iran. There is a word for peace in the Koran, I forget what it is, that simply means they will abide by a peaceful coexistence only until they can regroup their forces for a greater chance of success when they do strike again. And they are, again by their own holy writings, allowed to lie to the infidels to accomplish that goal. So I don't see how anyone can trust anything a Muslim says to his avowed enemies.

And finally, If you doubt the desire of the Muslims to control the world by whatever means necessary then you need to look up the words "Dimity" "dhimitude" and "Jizra" tax and learn their meanings to the followers of the Islamic faith.