Is UFO Secrecy for our own good?

Originally posted by teslahowitzer
reply to post by FormerSkeptic

 

Assume for a moment that is true, that humans control the secret, If coherent communication exists both directions, then all involved understand the implications of complete disclosure. If this is the case, who really controls the game?, you release the info and you are branded a nutcase. Their technology and minds are on a different level, if we do have info, it is very little and controlled by them, we only really know what they want us to know and they understand all of the implications, and earth is most likely not their only contact, they have played this song before, maybe many, many times, we know very little if anything.

I do indeed hold out for the possibility that secrecy might be instigated by the ETs instead of by some secret society of humans. But the reported events and patterns of behavior are not consistent with the hypothesis. Granted, everything is sketchy especially the recent stuff coming out. And people's interpretation of events are wacky.

Who controls the game you ask? Humans do. The ETs probably don't see it as a game. They can probably do exactly what they want regardless.

All in all though, I believe at least one type of ET is more than willing to stand on a podium next to world leaders at a United Nations press conference. They just realize that it's not for them to decide, that humans may not be ready, and if mishandled, a world collapse is possible due to religion, lack of government control, etc.

Originally posted by randomviolins
reply to post by mcx1942

 

The fact that they are humanoid-looking is a strong case for time travel, because true aliens from other planet would not have the same progression of extinction events as the Earth has, and therefore would not have much resemblance to our own species.

Although I have a slight tendency to agree, I have to say that being humanoid (two arms, two legs, head at the top) may just be the best route to being the dominant/most intelligent species on any planet. When man-kind made the jump from walking primarily on all fours to being bipedal it freed up two limbs that could then be used to for other things, such as tool-making. Walking upright also has other advantages, such as giving an improved perspective that allows the organism to see further (in our case we were able to stand up and see over tall grasses) and as a result avoid predators, and locate food more effectively. These two things, in my opinion, would be very important steps in the development of intelligence on any planet. The less effort a species has to put into avoiding predators and searching for food, the more effort can be put into developing mental capacity.

Originally posted by Panic2k11
reply to post by randomviolins

 

Secrecy is never to the good of those left in the dark, it is a subtraction of knowledge. Without knowledge there can't be informed an informed decision.

I will sooner believe in FTL travel than time travel (well it depends on what type of time travel we are talking about, some of the conjectures would make it more like a single trip, multi-verse travel).

edit on 6-1-2013 by Panic2k11 because: (no reason given)

The subtraction of knowledge can be good if that knowledge won't be used to make a good decision.

reply to post by RedDragon


That is a weak justification for secrets and one used often, what gives others moral superiority to decide what is a good action or decision. That erroneous logic is what creates rifts, even between parents and children the best option is always to present reality unabridged, and more so between governments and citizens.Even if painful at times, full transparency has no viewpoint, the beholder will have the full view to decide upon.

Why has the state so much interest in the education of citizens when it is clear that the system does not create on empower free and creative thinkers. Shaping knowledge is what permits indoctrination, propaganda and the control of the mind of others, take a look at advertising and spin doctors how facts are twisted, suppressed and hammered to fit the mind of the servant|consumer.

duplication, please delete

reply to post by FormerSkeptic

Skeptic, I am understanding your point now, back to the 3 levels, ET, TPTB, & peons, you are right, if there is 2 way communication, it is suppressed between the top two, your sheer logic was the key. I still believe that we are just not evolved enough, wars, religion, greed, powermongers, too many issues that divide us as a species, you remove some of that, who knows? but that could take generations. would be great if that could be solved quickly, think of what we could do, with or without intervention.

This RENOWNED U.S. NAVY COMMANDER said before passing-They were from the future (the Aliens are us)

One of the most acclaimed Naval scientists in U.S. military history has stated unequivocally that the Roswell crash of 1947 was not of a balloon nor was it a hoax. Based on evidence he had seen in an official capacity, the Commander was instead convinced that the crash represents an event with deep implications for all of mankind. Universally acknowledged as the "grandfather" of satellite technology - and a close associate of Dr. Werner von Braun - Commander George W. Hoover has revealed that the truth about Roswell is far stranger that we have ever dared to think.

Commander George Hoover had finally revealed what he really knew about Roswell. He explained the truth as he had learned it all those decades ago:UFOs are not the "biggest secret" - it is the entities behind them that was of most concern
Roswell was in fact a crash event of "visitors from somewhere else"
· The entities were "not so much interplanetary as much as they were literally also time travelers." They are extra-temporal.
· The visitors are clearly "from the future." There is reason to believe that they may even be "us" from a future Earth.· These "future humans" have the ability to "manipulate reality around us."
The government feared the intentions and abilities of the "visitors"

Source: ufocon.blogspot.com...

reply to post by RUFFREADY


I read that a while back, but he just gave speculation of his opinion, no real viable words or reasoning, I do not expect physical evidence as that has been long gone. If they have to ability to control our reality, what caused the crash? eye witnesses said the writings or marks on the indestructable metal fragments we not of anything they have seen, this happened just after ww2, so most symbols from asia were identifiable.

reply to post by teslahowitzer


Remember, they liked strawberry ice cream so they must have had it before. Something to think about.

reply to post by RUFFREADY

I am always forgetting the ice cream, no wonder my wife is mad at me constantly... did they say anything about twinkies that you recall? just wonder if they survived...

reply to post by randomviolins


Humans are nasty and have the ability to hide the biggest discovery of all times. I remember the case with the Livelock Redhair Giants - there was pictures of the cave, I think even of the bodies, then all gone, disappeared, hidden or destroyed, so no one sees anything unusual.

And the declassification of why-classify-atl-all UFO reports speaks for itself? People would be afraid? Nonsense!

It is the stupid religious, banking, health and other systems that TPTB have interest in keeping and thus for the sake of it, nothing that may lead to collapse of these systems should be made public.

That's all it is about and those who hide the info are for prison.. and execution.

reply to post by ImpactoR


This is why this site is so great, In one thread I have had my point of view painted a different shade of color. Makes real sense, the real history of this planet is controlled by TPTB,and has been since the beginning, thank you for your valuable viewpoint and enlightenment, It is amazing how one statement here, another there, and the picture changes, I need to ponder and look up a few things i may have missed.

If we are being visited by humans from the future it could have something to do with medical research. Suppose it takes 10 years to observe the effects of a new cancer vaccine, then why not go back in time and visit a relative who you knew had died from cancer, then leap frog forward in time and check on their ongoing progress every 12 months. Based on the results you could tweak the vaccine and continually check the results until you have developed a 100% effective vaccine.

We are not alone and there is a global conspiracy to cover this issue and silence people who get too close...

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed" (Kennedy, 1961).

"There exists in our nation today a powerful and dangerous secret cult -- the cult of intelligence. Its holy men are the clandestine professionals of the Central Intelligence Agency. Its patrons and protectors are the highest officials of the federal government. Its membership, extending far beyond governmental circles, reaches into the power centers of industry, commerce, finance, and labor. Its friends are many in the areas of important public influence -- the academic world and the communications media. The cult of intelligence is a secret fraternity of the American political aristocracy. The purpose of the cult is to further the foreign policies of the U.S. government by covert and usually illegal means, while at the same time containing the spread of its avowed enemy, communism. Traditionally, the cult's hope has been to foster a world order in which America would reign supreme, the unchallenged international leader. Today, however, that dream stands tarnished by time and frequent failures. Thus, the cult's objectives are now less grandiose, but no less disturbing. It seeks largely to advance America's self-appointed role as the dominant arbiter of social, economic, and political change in the awakening regions of Asia, Africa, and Latin America. And its worldwide war against communism has to some extent been reduced to a covert struggle to maintain a self-serving stability in the Third World, using whatever clandestine methods are available" (Marchetti & Marks, 1974).

"This cult is patronized and protected by the highest level government officials in the world. It's membership is composed of those in the power centers of government, industry, commerce, finance, and labor. It manipulates individuals in areas of important public influence - including the academic world and the mass media. The Secret Cult is a global fraternity of a political aristocracy whose purpose is to further the political policies of persons or agencies unknown. It acts covertly and illegally" (Marchetti & Marks, 1974).

"Socially as well as professionally they cliqued together, forming a sealed fraternity. They ate together at their own special favorite restaurants; they partied almost only among themselves; their families drifted to each other, so their defenses did not always have to be up. In this way they increasingly separated themselves from the ordinary world and developed a rather skewed view of that world. Their own dedicated double life became the proper norm, and they looked down on the life of the rest of the citizenry. And out of this grew what was later named -- and condemned -- as the "cult" of intelligence, an inbred, distorted, elitist view of intelligence that held it to be above the normal processes of society, with its own rationale and justification, beyond the restraints of the Constitution, which applied to everything and everyone else" (Marchetti & Marks, 1974).



Marchetti, Victor; Marks, John D. (1974). The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence. Knopf. ISBN 0-394-48239-5.

All of this control and filtration, censoring and twisting creates corruption to the core of truth and enlightenment, which should be the desired result, we should know the real truth. I only hope that ET is aware of this cancer of knowledge and has a plan to remove it from the equasion (maybe this is what our ancestors went thru and are trying to tell us) There have been great empires in the past that have crumbled to the ground and some basically vanished. A new level of enlighenment, is this not the translation? maybe it is our turn.

propaganda works both sides....train people to believe everything they hear, on one side....and train others to doubt anything they hear, on the other side...both are affective

Originally posted by teslahowitzer
I only hope that ET is aware of this cancer of knowledge and has a plan to remove it from the equation

I dont think ET will do anything...I think we have to get organized and get real mad...we want change...we demand change...if government will not willingly give us change...we must take what is rightfully ours...I really think we need a global revolution before we will see change...the way things are currently being done is just like trimming the branches of a tree...you cut off the dead leaves and new ones grow back...the same invisible government that Kennedy and others have spoke about has only become stronger, wiser and more efficient...it hasn't gone away...

The human rights act might as well be toilet paper at this point in time...its being dumped on daily...

The US administration come out and say, "My fellow Americans (or what ever Obama says), we have been keeping a big secret from you for 60 years (roughly). We would like to announce that we are NOT alone in the universe, we have noticed and have been tracking strange objects through our airspace, which seem to be controlled by an intelligent life form. We are positive it's origin is NOT from Asia, but we have no idea where from. We have tried making some kind of contact/communication with these "objects", but with no success.

"We would also like to announce that the Roswell incident was in fact a "UFO" and not a weather balloon. There has been a lot of speculation to whether or not there were dead bodies of "beings".....and live ones, we can now disclose this by saying yes, it's all true. We would like to apologise for keeping this crucial secret from you all for all these years and we would also like to encourage you all to remain calm and do not panic."

Now, what would the reactions from the public be?

1.) They're lieing!!! It's a cover up!!!!! (which is what has been said for all the years)

2.) World wide panic, which leads to towns/cities being looted or mass amount of panic buying (which wouldn't be that bad for the world economy.

3.) The people get angry with the world governments and create major riots and anarchy. Society breaks down, then the world will be full of paranoid, weapon wielding, will do anything to survive human beings.

4.) The Alien race finds out it's been caught out and greets the world, shares technologies with us, helps repair this beautiful world and tells us the wonders of the universe and how we came here.

5.) The Alien race, decimates the entire worlds military capabilities (including WMDs) and enslaves the human race.

6.) The Alien race attempts to enslave all humanity but the human race fights strongly and bravely, but eventually gets worn down and The Alien race starts to win. So out of desperation, the human race finds and uses any nuclear weapons it has, thus destroying this beautiful planet we live on.

7.) The Alien race reveal themselves as the Creators of Earth and backs it up with evidence (Ancient Egyptian history etc).

That's the only reasons I can come up with but I'm sure there are much much more.

I have thought of this a lot recently. If time travel is already in use by Gov then in the future I would think it's pretty widely available... If that's the case why don't we have rogue Travelers, future family members visiting us? You would think there'd be a lot of cases right? I'm sure someone could say "well there would be laws to prevent this type of thing' but when have laws stopped anyone in our current culture?

RS

reply to post by Nikola014


Having seen this wretched disease kill those I love including my Mother I would want to know about it and find a dammed cure for once and all. Not just for myself but for everyone else so that no one would have to go through the hell of cancer that affects not only the person who has the cancer but family and friends too.