Mother hiding with kids shoots intruder

Originally posted by Muggman

Originally posted by Wongbeedman
reply to post by RN311

 

I could try and argue reason and logic but no, no matter how much you guys hate it and probably have countless conspiracies about him because he's a douche. But bowling for columbine is incredible and michael moore was right. People on here know, if they've seen my posts that I think the second amendment is outdated, and people need to change.
That was BEFORE I even watched bowling for columbine, I can't believe how bad it is over there for you guys, there's something wrong with the average gun supporters view, fair enough everyone has their own but you guys don't realise that its your government doing this to you, but not because they want your guns, hell your guns ain't s**t on theirs.
They have you in TOTAL CONTROL everyone needs to fear their own government a little bit but yours seems to thrive off this. in no other developed country are citizens in constant of invasion from foreign threats, from sudden initiation of a police state, or killer bees.
The best part for me from bowling for columbine was the news guy saying "experts say one in five Americans have some sort of mental illness, so I urge you seek help now!" Or something like that, I mean seriously?!?! I don't mean to offend any Americans here, shame on your government

edit on 5-1-2013 by Wongbeedman because: (no reason given)

Just a question for you....would you say that Moore's bodyguards are armed, or unarmed?

As far as the other part of the post, that is one of the reasons the 2nd amendment is here. To defend against a tyrannical government. And you are correct when you say that our guns are not # compared to theirs. That's why it says in there "shall not be infringed". When that happens, we the people's ability to use that rigt is slowly dwindled, using this news story, that movie, etc.

Point is, if a tyrannical government was going up against an extremely armed populace, vs a populace with no guns whatsoever, which situation would you rather be in?

You are right, without a doubt, and I'm assuming they are, to protect him from the real gun nuts. But that's the vicious cycle isn't it, people need guns to protect them from other people with guns, its just a shame so many people are now in that position.
And yeah I'd arm myself to the teeth if I was in that situation and deeply regret not being prepared. For now though, I feel safe, my government may well be pathetic and useless, but somethings different here.

reply to post by Wongbeedman


I'm sorry, but you opinion means nothing.
There are some Americans that shear your opinion, we call them anti-rights advocates.
They are the people who want to take away the American rights(all of them), too bring forth a "socialist America" (as they put it).
Because you're from the UK (from what i can see) you should worry more about the guns on your streets being used by criminals, without a way for you to defend yourself.

I'm sorry, but any non-American with an opinion about our Constitution and rights is pointless to me.
I don't try to give my opinions on things of other countries I know little about in such an arrogant manner.
Is it too much to ask for that same respect?

Maybe I should have read all the posts but it is to early for me to get my blood pressure up with some of the socialist comments and ignorance shown.

It appears their are those who do not believe in property rights. If anyone who has the fortitude to break and enter a persons domicile everything is free for the taking. Some believe it is better to let them take the fruits of your labor than defend your property and life.

No matter if the B.G. was armed or not when he found the family and poked his head inside their crawl space mom shot at the only target she had; lucky for the B.G. she was not using a larger caliber weapon.

This may not come across like intended but once upon a time, long long ago, there were 6 First Cav Warrant officers who had flown to Saigon for something to eat at the Airforce officer's club. For the last 8 weeks they had only had C-rations to eat while doing Cambodia. They sat down at a table as all eyes were upon them.

The Airforce had real places to live with air conditioners and maid service. These warrants were accustomed to sleeping under a mosquito net in the field or helicopter; true most times if they spent their night back at base in their bunker with a real cot and cheap fan to sleep with..

One of the Airforce guys who said he was a nurse came over to the Warrant's table and struck up a conversation.
He was a "peace nick" and borderline preacher by his actions.. a nurse because he wanted to save lives and heal instead of kill; nothing wrong with that all agreed.
He could never kill anything and was a better person for believing such. He could not understand anyone who could shoot someone. No one else agreed.....

The Warrants, besides not having a real meal had lost 4 friends due to hostile fire in the last 3 weeks.

One of the Warrant's ( call him Root) asked the young man if he were married, "No but I do have a girl and when I return to the World we plan on getting married".

Root asked if Mr. Airforce Nurse had a picture of his girl.

Mr. Airforce gets his Airforce issued plastic wallet out and hands it to Root to view his girls picture. Root removed Mr. Airforce's I.D. as if studying the info and hands the I.D. across the table back to the owner.

Root says nice picture of your girl and then sticks the wallet into his breast pocket. After a minute or so the Airforce guy says, "Are you going to give my wallet back"?

Root replied, " No".

Mr. Airforce was flabbergasted..After reasoning and pleading on the return of the wallet and getting rather red in the face he said he would call the M.P.s (military police).

Root just laughed and said, "go ahead. All you have in the wallet is some money and a picture of your girl; no I.D. and when the M.P.s show up, myself and friends, will say you saw the picture of my girl and wanted to keep it and I said, "no ".

Now Mr. Airforce was more than mad raising his voice for attention.... several other Airforce dudes were coming to the vicinity of the table to see what was going on.

Root, after a little longer, retrieved the wallet and said, " Here is your wallet back and I hope you never forget this day. There are always those who will take what is yours to include your life if you are not willing to defend what is yours. You are a coward to depend on others to do your dirty work; someday maybe you will grow up and realize your life, your stuff, is yours until someone takes it because you could not stand to hurt anything or defend what is yours".

Then Root laughed, as he tossed the wallet back, an offered to buy Mr. Airforce a drink; the drink was refused and being thankful (supposedly) of his wallet having been returned he left for the door.. Approximately 15 minutes later the M.P.s showed up and the 6 Warrant Officers were barred from ever coming back to that Officers club (they did get to finish their meal) and when their Company commander received the report and asked the 6 Warrants their version of what happen his only comment or question was, "The steak any good"?.

Bullies, mean people, B.G.s call it what you want; it is still a "free thinking" country and everyone is entitled to make their own decision on how they want to defend their life and property. Whatever your decision, with luck you will never be faced with a life and death situation and will live to a ripe old age with fond memories of all the good things you had in your life. I personally am glad the B.G. was unable to do harm to the family if that was his intent.
The Lady made her choice and will have to live with her decision. Did she do what is right? Only she and her kids + one bad guy will ever know.

It did not matter they were now barred from coming back. That was the first time in 8 months they had been able to secure a real meal and would not have the opportunity or transportation to do so again but it did make for an interesting story while the C-rat beans&weenies were being warmed over a C-4 (plastic explosives) fire in the field..

Originally posted by RedmoonMWC
1st the man broke in, that in its self is reason enough to shoot him, lawfully.

2nd Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
If someone wants to kill, that person does not need a gun to do it, but a gun can be used to stop them.

The worst school killing was not committed with a gun, but with dynamite.

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edit on 5-1-2013 by RedmoonMWC because: To add links

But guns are the usual weapon of choice for anyone who can get them, there were probably less guns when the bath tragedy happened. You're missing the point though, see my first post on this thread. note the bath tragedy occured in america.

reply to post by xxdaniel21


Are you people really this stupid or do you just come on here to pull peoples chains and stir the pot?

I am not trying to being mean and don't mean to name call but I am VERY serious. Is it your goal to stir up controversy or do you all really think this way....Is this really your train of thought?

If it is I wonder how you made it this far in life.

The guys intentions DO NOT MATTER.

Why he broke in DOES NOT MATTER

Whether it was his first offense or 10th DOES NOT MATTER

You break into someone's property and make them fear for their life and child's and you DESERVE to be hurt severely. Whether that means being shot, stabbed repeatedly or beaten bloody with a baseball bat.

If a criminal breaks into your home you have every right legally, morally & intelligently to stop them with whatever means you have at hand.

You crazy people with you "what if" scenarios are so irresponsible and just plain silly that if really shows how ignorant you are and what you consider logical thinking.

The only thing the story proves to me is that a 6 shot revolver may not be enough in some situations.
The story contains facts that is solid hard evidence that there IS a need for 10+ round magazines and firearms with more power.

A handgun with a 15 round magazine would have served her better, or how about an "evil assault rifle" with a 30 round magazine.

I'll throw this in for you "What if" people... What if after she emptied the revolver on him and stopped him you find out he has a partner that you didn't know about that walks in and your standing there with an empty firearm?

In summery:

Good job girl......
Carry larger magazines.....
Use a larger gun than a .38 special....
Don't break into people's homes......

Originally posted by GunzCoty
reply to post by Wongbeedman

 

I'm sorry, but you opinion means nothing.
There are some Americans that shear your opinion, we call them anti-rights advocates.
They are the people who want to take away the American rights(all of them), too bring forth a "socialist America" (as they put it).
Because you're from the UK (from what i can see) you should worry more about the guns on your streets being used by criminals, without a way for you to defend yourself.

I'm sorry, but any non-American with an opinion about our Constitution and rights is pointless to me.
I don't try to give my opinions on things of other countries I know little about in such an arrogant manner.
Is it too much to ask for that same respect?

Then you missed my point. And proved it at the same time.
And I call them anti-sense advocates, who you will only find in america.
I'm not saying your rights mean nothing, they mean everything, mine do to me too.
But you've been duped, your country has you hating everyone else so bad my opinion means nothing simply because I'm not american, your opinion matters to me, every person from every countries opinion matters to me. America is the only place that thinks the worlds against them, you guys go on about by bush and his "war on terror" yes you are right, but the "war on terror" is a weapon against you also.

reply to post by GunzCoty

"Because you're from the UK (from what i can see) you should worry more about the guns on your streets being used by criminals, without a way for you to defend yourself.

I'm sorry, but any non-American with an opinion about our Constitution and rights is pointless to me.
I don't try to give my opinions on things of other countries I know little about in such an arrogant manner.
Is it too much to ask for that same respect?"
I'm talking to you now because we don't worry about guns on our streets, I believe you deserve to feel the same.
I meant no disrespect I'm blaming your government not your people

Originally posted by cody599

You're ignorant in this subject. you've never fired a gun, never studied terminal ballistics of any caliber and you know nothing of the tactical application of secondary weapons systems (handguns) in dynamic enviroments...Buuuuut, you still feel the need to make a post filled with assumptions and feelings. You embody the anti gun movement. Let me share something with you.

reply to post by EyesWideShut

 

It was an ideal world scenario badly presented my apologies.
As for having never fired a weapon (a gun by definition is light artillery upwards) I served in the IDF for years as a front line soldier I think I've got a rough idea about weapons, and am hardly ignorant.

While you were serving and fighting in the front lines and were being shot at by the enemy.....did you shoot him one time in the stomach and then call the military police for help? Just curious.

Originally posted by xxdaniel21
reply to post by RN311

 

You're using his criminal history to justify her actions. That doesn't make any sense. She carried out her actions without knowledge of his criminal history. She shot him not knowing whether it was his first offence, or 10th.

Therefore, there is no justification for her actions. She did it blindly. See what i'm saying?

He may not have died, but that doesn't make it okay. Her intentions could have been to kill him, it was just by chance he survived. Again, no justification for her force.

Well god forbid if an intruder broke into your house, threatened to rape and kill your family, then make off with your goods.


For some reason, I just think you're trying to get a lot of knee-jerk reactions from people here. Like I had to state in another thread where a firearm had a legit purpose. Stop trolling people who believe in their rights to protect themselves. I'd love to watch YOUR reactions when/if this kind of thing occurs to you.

He gambled with his life and lost the game, now he's laying in a hospital riddled with bullets. I hope he recovers and isn't paralyzed for life, but he's clearly going back to prison, all because he took that chance and failed.

Guns in the household themselves won't deter criminals from breaking into them. Prisons are clearly inadequate in rehabilitating a lot of them. The only thing that will deter a criminal is, unfortunately, death. This man should thank the moon and stars the mother didn't land a bullet in a vital location.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by RN311

 

She will likely be tried for murder, even though he was breaking into her home, she shot him 5 times. LEO's say you only need to shoot someone once (and make sure you die it right). Sad as it is, it could happen, it depends on Georgia's laws. I know here in Arkansas if you shoot an intruder more than once the prosecutors here will come after you for murder or if the intruder survives attempted murder even though they invaded your home.

Lol. No. You shoot to stop the threat. Whether or not the threat is dead is another matter, but LEO's are trained to shoot and keep shooting until the threat no longer poses a threat.

Oh you're a "Front Line Soldier"? What war were you on the front line of? I'm assuming you mean you've served in the Infantry (Now that we have the snarky semantics game out of the way) You of all people should know better...I respect your service, but it wasn't exactly voluntary. There is a mindset difference between the two, your post clearly shows this. In an ideal world, guns and swords would never have been invented...but you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

reply to post by EyesWideShut


Actually I was an immigrant and did volunteer and don't appreciate being patronised.
I know as well as you do what a weapon can do. All the videos in the world won't help you, and fyi my 9mm was loaded with black talons (before they were banned) don't make yourself look like an idiot trying to make me look stupid I know the truth and the rest don't care.

Also fyi if you have a plastic toothpaste tube and roll it up the vacuum will actually put it back in the tube, well most of it




By the way we were also taught this as standard

reply to post by GunzCoty


Honestly, from the bottom of my heart, I respect america and most of all your personal views, as an american. I don't expect you to take in and accept anything I've said. I just hope you think about it, at least a little bit.

Originally posted by yourmaker

Originally posted by AnnKoontz
It'll just get worse once they outlaw guns. You won't be able to stop these people.

Of course you could you'd just have to be a little more creative is all?

Bow and arrow booby traps are like a thousand years old i'm sure you could figure it out if necessity demanded.

I bow hunt with my dad, I don't think if you have someone who's out to hurt you or your family a single arrow is going to do much good. Except make them anger, but it's not going to stop them long enough for you to reload or get away.

Bobby traps??? that sounds like a good way for kids to hurt themselves. I'd be interested in just how you would set up a bobby trap for the bad guys that wouldn't put your family in danger??

Originally posted by Wongbeedman
reply to post by GunzCoty

 

Honestly, from the bottom of my heart, I respect america and most of all your personal views, as an american. I don't expect you to take in and accept anything I've said. I just hope you think about it, at least a little bit.

Yeah, that's not going to happen when every post you make alleging some "fact" is completely wrong or just outright false. It really does help to know what you're talking about when you try and debate a position.

Your latest example - "guns must have been harder to get back then" is completely incorrect. 50 cal machine guns (fully automatic) were sold in hardware stores back then to any adult without any type of background check or waiting period. Guns were also dirt cheap at that time in addition to being sold in pretty much every type of retail establishment and even mail order!

No one wants to see another school shooting, obviously. Gun bans or further legislation will not prevent this, unfortunately. That's been proven in multiple, real life examples. The US isn't even at the top of the list in these types of crimes and the countries that are have very strict gun laws, far stricter than the US.

The best way to prevent school shootings is to have armed defenders in the schools. Trained and vetted teachers allowed to keep a concealed weapon in a secure place in their classrooms would prevent most of these idiots from even trying, of not all of them. It's a proven fact these mass murder psychos choose "gun free zones" every time (only 2-3 cases out of all of them were otherwise and that includes mass shootings in places other than schools). They are cowards who want to be famous, want to go out by their own hand rather than pay for the crime and absolutely do not want to risk there being someone there with a gun to stop them.

Perhaps you should take a closer look at the crime statistics in good ole Australia, Canada or the UK and do the math to make the per capita figures line up. I think you'll find the US is NOT the most crime ridden / violent. Gun bans DO NOT work, at least we have the examples of these pseudo socialist societies who tried it and failed to serve as examples. Why should Americans follow the lead of countries who tried it and proved it to be a failure?

Originally posted by ecoparity

Originally posted by Wongbeedman
reply to post by GunzCoty

 

Honestly, from the bottom of my heart, I respect america and most of all your personal views, as an american. I don't expect you to take in and accept anything I've said. I just hope you think about it, at least a little bit.

Yeah, that's not going to happen when every post you make alleging some "fact" is completely wrong or just outright false. It really does help to know what you're talking about when you try and debate a position.

Your latest example - "guns must have been harder to get back then" is completely incorrect. 50 cal machine guns (fully automatic) were sold in hardware stores back then to any adult without any type of background check or waiting period. Guns were also dirt cheap at that time in addition to being sold in pretty much every type of retail establishment and even mail order!

No one wants to see another school shooting, obviously. Gun bans or further legislation will not prevent this, unfortunately. That's been proven in multiple, real life examples. The US isn't even at the top of the list in these types of crimes and the countries that are have very strict gun laws, far stricter than the US.

The best way to prevent school shootings is to have armed defenders in the schools. Trained and vetted teachers allowed to keep a concealed weapon in a secure place in their classrooms would prevent most of these idiots from even trying, of not all of them. It's a proven fact these mass murder psychos choose "gun free zones" every time (only 2-3 cases out of all of them were otherwise and that includes mass shootings in places other than schools). They are cowards who want to be famous, want to go out by their own hand rather than pay for the crime and absolutely do not want to risk there being someone there with a gun to stop them.

Perhaps you should take a closer look at the crime statistics in good ole Australia, Canada or the UK and do the math to make the per capita figures line up. I think you'll find the US is NOT the most crime ridden / violent. Gun bans DO NOT work, at least we have the examples of these pseudo socialist societies who tried it and failed to serve as examples. Why should Americans follow the lead of countries who tried it and proved it to be a failure?

I have, and every stat that comes outside of the us or at least gun supporters, has supported my point, read back, look at everything I said because you obviously haven't yet.

So I see none of the gun grabbers can answer my question about justifying entering someone else's house
All they will do is parrot guns are bad! Guns are bad!
I rest my case, all gun grabbers are mindless parrots

Originally posted by HomerinNC
So I see none of the gun grabbers can answer my question about justifying entering someone else's house
All they will do is parrot guns are bad! Guns are bad!
I rest my case, all gun grabbers are mindless parrots

well if you had used your guns ONCE in the last 200 years to protect your sovereign rights and more importantly your economy, there would not be the number of desperate people that there are today, and it's now the desperate that you feel guns are in your rights to use for protection against.

You didn't use them for their intended purpose, you sat on your hands and worried about your own property till that was all you had in your power to defend.

Go ahead a shoot all your brethren for not being as well off as you since you failed to use your weapons to guarantee fair opportunity.

You think righteousness is as easy as picking up a gun and pulling the trigger?

reply to post by FirstCasualty


So you can justify this dirtbags breaking into this moms house?

Originally posted by HomerinNC
reply to post by FirstCasualty

 

So you can justify this dirtbags breaking into this moms house?

Its funny you call people mindless that don't agree with you, and when someone gives you something bigger to think about its like your brain just cracked. "ah ah ah you can justify this?" *face palm*

He is a product of his environment, one that you fail to keep out of the hands of tyranny. You had the right to carry guns because you were charged with responsibility of protecting your nation from enemy's foreign and domestic. YOU FAILED! yet you still want your guns unrestricted?

EPIC FAIL!!!