Mother hiding with kids shoots intruder

Originally posted by smyleegrl

Originally posted by FirstCasualty

Originally posted by smyleegrl

If you can only see this from one level then i will say YES, he was justified. And she deserves to be scared for her life, since her life and her children 's are all she is concerned about.
YOU and that mother deserve to have your home invaded every single day for the rest of your irrelevant life.

What a ludicrous load of tripe.

I'm a mother. I've survived a severe assault. And if someone breaks into my home, I'm going to do my best to take that person out.

Why? Because I hate people? Because I have no sympathy for the poor?

No. Because I'm a mother and I will defend my son. It's the most basic biological imperative in every living creature.

Ya well you also have an obligation to defend your nation in order to justify being protected by your constitution.

You didnt!

This is confusing me. No, I've never been a soldier...is that what you mean by defending my nation?

I may not be a player on the national or international stage. And it's a rather silly argument to think that one person can always influence government on a constitutional level.

But I'm a teacher, and I work in a poverty stricken area. I firmly believe the only way to break the cycle is thru education.

So yeah, I'm doing my part.

But none of that matters. If someone tried to hurt my son, that person is going down.

edit on 5-1-2013 by smyleegrl because: (no reason given)

Enemies foreign and domestic....

Im not sayimg that you or I are not going to defend our childre.
No matter the cost.

But none of you seem to be interesred in seeing past the point and
Shoot part to see that you also have a responsibility to use you weapons
To defend your nation against the corruption that put most people
In a position where they need to steel to live.

Originally posted by cavtrooper7
reply to post by FirstCasualty

 

Most of us TRUSTED them back then. Aren't you the Mensa graduate failing to put that one together as well?
As for the racist crap ,its a typical load from a looser in an argument.I suppose this is a big GUN OWNER GAME as well, like we have some kind of secretive club,placing yourself OUTSIDE the argument,and totally missing any fact those who know better tell you.
Runaway as long as you can from reality,we have face to face experience.
Most get it.
I must say your title is perfect,perhaps a Freudian slip?

edit on 5-1-2013 by cavtrooper7 because: (no reason given)

Ok. I live in Canada. I dont have a constitution that allows me to carry a firearm. Only transporting and until its being
Used in a legal fasion the ammo has to be seperate and locked up away from the gun, also under lock and key.

Im under contract with my government to sub contract my security to the police. It is not my legal resposibility to watch the government and its sub contracters.

The point im making is that as Americans you glorify your right to bear arms and free speach. You come on like donkey kong to anyone that invades your personal space.... Yet when it comes to the big fight with government and law makers you tuck tail and run back to your castle and actike donkey kong.

Jessie Ventura would call you all Chicken-Hawks!!

reply to post by Wongbeedman


Well, sure, and I see your point. I see both sides actually. If there was a way to eliminate ALL guns off of the earth, 100%, I would see giving them up. Military and LE included. I don't see that happening though, so we are caught in the middle. Knowing that there are people out there like rapists, murderers, etc, I prefer to carry away and at home. (On nightstand and other places, I'm not that paranoid haha!).

Even LEOs over here (in my state, at least) are not afraid of our guns, they are afraid of guns somehow getting in the hands of the people you described earlier, and for good reason;

Loaded gun just sitting there = no immediate danger
Loaded gun in hands of "good, sane" person = no immediate danger, but assuming said person will respond with force if absolutely necessary.
Loaded or unloaded gun in hands of "ill willed, not sane" = who knows? Probably a very bad situation happening very shortly, or in the future. I probably wouldn't even give these people a sharp pencil and be around them, as thier intentions surely are not good.

Originally posted by cody599

Oh you're a "Front Line Soldier"? What war were you on the front line of? I'm assuming you mean you've served in the Infantry (Now that we have the snarky semantics game out of the way) You of all people should know better...I respect your service, but it wasn't exactly voluntary. There is a mindset difference between the two, your post clearly shows this. In an ideal world, guns and swords would never have been invented...but you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

reply to post by EyesWideShut

 

Actually I was an immigrant and did volunteer and don't appreciate being patronised.
I know as well as you do what a weapon can do. All the videos in the world won't help you, and fyi my 9mm was loaded with black talons (before they were banned) don't make yourself look like an idiot trying to make me look stupid I know the truth and the rest don't care.

You sir are not being honest.

#1) You've just admitted that Israel was in direct violation of the Hague Convention by Issuing a "Front Line" troop as yourself hollowpoint ammunition.

#2) Black Talons are nothing special, and they're still being made, they're called "Ranger SXT" they're just no longer coated with Lubalox. They're old tech as far as ballistics are concerned (Kinda like Federal Hydra-Shoks) I run Gold Dots or Golden Sabre, but that's another conversation.

#3) By the contexts of your posts you "Allude" to combat experience...but you're careful in choosing your words as not to get called out. (Plausible Deniability). Don't do this, there's nothing wrong with not knowing something, or being ignorant in a subject. We all are in one area or another, the issue is when you deceive yourself.

Originally posted by FirstCasualty

Originally posted by RN311

Originally posted by FirstCasualty

Originally posted by RN311
reply to post by FirstCasualty

 

What about being responsible for ones own actions?? Everyone in life has to make CHOICES, this man has made many bad ones. Yeah he might have had a rough start but so have many others and the managed to not end up criminals breaking into house. I do not consider myself in any form or fashion responsible for any CHOICES this man made at anytime in his life. Don't blame others for things you've done yourself.

You might be suprised how many Americans dont go hungery every day because of dependency on crime.

Steeling is his job in the American economy

I don't understand your point??? Go to school, get a job provide for your family. Their dependency on crime is a CHOICE! If your unhappy with the cards you've been dealt in life then do something to improve your situation! It's thinking like this that has help drag this country down

Your assumimg there us a job for every willing American... Fact is there isn't you sold your jobs
To China and other countries.

If you were a responsible armed American, you.wouldnt have let that happen.

You would rather hire an illegal mexican to clean your house and
Watch the kids than a black American because your sort of a racist nation.

You make a lot of assumptions there.

I don't have a maid. I also don't refer to the very large Hispanic population here as "illegal Mexicans." Sounds a tad racist, don't you think?

I don't understand your comment about watching kids than a black American.

So the woman is working at home, letting her kids to fend for themselves all day instead of finding a babysitter, she calls her husband instead of the police, she has time to watch the guy come into her house, gets the kids, and goes into the attic, and shoots a man FIVE times, who was armed with nothing but a crowbar.

What she should of done, was call the police, instead of taking the time to do 6 other things, and held the man at gunpoint until the police arrived.

That is appropriate use of a weapon, not shooting an unarmed man, who thought that in the middle of the day, the house was empty.

You know what else protects a house? A dog and an alarm.

reply to post by RN311


Spoken like a spoiled middle classer, who thinks that they know what it is like to live in an urban area, and that these people have choices.

reply to post by FirstCasualty


Funny, I don't recall the Constitution giving any standards to be able to afford protection by it.

Do you want us to be like Israel and have everyone do forced military service after high school?

Originally posted by HomerinNC
reply to post by FirstCasualty

 

So you can justify this dirtbags breaking into this moms house?

He was obviously a petty criminal who thought no one was home.
He didn't even get the chance to try and steal stuff, I bet he would've left if he just opened the door then realised they were home, but by the sounds of she just jumped out, soon as the door opened and blasted him five times.
I won't justify it but she shouldnt have shot him so much

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by RN311

 

Spoken like a spoiled middle classer, who thinks that they know what it is like to live in an urban area, and that these people have choices.

You have no idea what I've been through in my life, where I am today is because I have worked my tail off to get it. I didn't have anyone to pay for my college. I worked my butt off to pay for both school and to live. If you want something bad enough you'll find a way to make it work. If you need help there are plenty of ways to get it. These people DO HAVE CHOICES. I make the CHOICE everyday to get up and go to work. They make the CHOICE everyday to get up and commit illegal acts. I'm not saying it would be all cupcakes and unicorns for them to do something productive with their lives, because it wouldn't. The truth of the matter is these people CHOOSE to live this way because it's easier then actually WORKING for living.

"Spoiled middle classer" you have no idea what I've been through

Originally posted by nixie_nox
So the woman is working at home, letting her kids to fend for themselves all day instead of finding a babysitter, she calls her husband instead of the police, she has time to watch the guy come into her house, gets the kids, and goes into the attic, and shoots a man FIVE times, who was armed with nothing but a crowbar.

the kids were nine they were playing at the time this happened I don't understand what you mean by fend for themselves? Why would she need a babysitter?

She called her husband before the guy broke in.

she didn't "watch" the guy come in her house, when she heard him using the crowbar to break in thats when she got her kids and went to hide. At which point she was still on the phone with her husband who called 911.

What she should of done, was call the police, instead of taking the time to do 6 other things, and held the man at gunpoint until the police arrived.

That is appropriate use of a weapon, not shooting an unarmed man, who thought that in the middle of the day, the house was empty.

OK but at that point she didn't know all that he had was a crowbar or what he was after and her husband was on the phone with the cops.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
So the woman is working at home, letting her kids to fend for themselves all day instead of finding a babysitter, she calls her husband instead of the police, she has time to watch the guy come into her house, gets the kids, and goes into the attic, and shoots a man FIVE times, who was armed with nothing but a crowbar.

What she should of done, was call the police, instead of taking the time to do 6 other things, and held the man at gunpoint until the police arrived.

That is appropriate use of a weapon, not shooting an unarmed man, who thought that in the middle of the day, the house was empty.

You know what else protects a house? A dog and an alarm.

It's hard to say what any of us would do if faced with her situation. I can see calling her hubby first, she didn't have time to give details to a 911 operator, her husband was in better position to call them quicker, especially if she was trying to be quiet and hide her children.

This intruder FOUND them, crow bar in hand, a deadly weapon, I'm sure her and her children were terrified. While it would have been great had she been able to "hold" him until the police arrived, we have no idea how aggressive his actions were toward them, was he willing to charge them with a weapon inspite of the gun?

This intruders disreguard for other people and thier property is what caused this nightmare ...and I'm sure long term trama to this family......a dog could have been beaten, and most people don't keep on alarms in the middle of the day when they're at home.

Originally posted by Wongbeedman
He didn't even get the chance to try and steal stuff, I bet he would've left if he just opened the door then realised they were home, but by the sounds of she just jumped out, soon as the door opened and blasted him five times.
I won't justify it but she shouldnt have shot him so much

She hid, he had complete access to her home/purse/credit cards/car etc. She gave him every opportunity to steal her stuff and leave. For whatever reason he favored the crawlspace door.

He either wanted her/kids or more money than could be found in the house. She stated she saw him through the window, any criminal worth his salt would've seen her first. Imo he went looking for a person either to hurt them or to gain access to bank accounts.

If he came through the front door with crowbar in hand he was armed, she could've started blasting the minute he came in the house but she didn't.

I challenge anyone's abilities to second guess criminals. Walk through my hometown of Gary, IN and see if your reasoning skills alone keep you alive. These people are so far out of our league we can't imagine what goes through their mind.

The same people who condemn the actions of this woman are probably the ones who'd attend her vigil if she/kids had been murdered. So sad after the fact, so full of emotion it blinds them to the reality of violence. Maybe they just haven't lived around a population of violent people.

reply to post by GuidedKill


This is why a pistol caliber should have a 4 in it.

It's wild to me how people are actually pointing the finger at this woman and saying that she is to blame.

"Oh he wasn't armed with anything but a wrench, she didn't have to shoot him!"-typical

Lol, yeah, she should have known that the rabid stranger who broke into her home wasn't armed with a gun or knife (let alone did not have horrible intentions that he could carry out on a mother and her small children with his bare hands)! She should have used her x-ray spidey vision to SEE what the intruder was carrying! That's it!!! I mean damn, next time a freak man intrudes into the house of a young mother and her children, the mother needs to be more 'tolerant' of things!

She needs to give the possibly potential slaughterer and rapist of her and her children more leeway after he breaks in! I mean it's not as if men who break into the houses of women and children are ever violent and full of bad intentions or anything! They never mean any harm in past cases, they have always just been stopping in for a friendly hello and perhaps with the wish to use the mens room!

Let's think theoretically, what WOULD have happened IF the woman and children would have NOT been armed? What would have happened if he, like most who break into homes and or stalk around the house of women and children, would have been armed? Durp..

Originally posted by acmpnsfal
Hmmmm so her having a gun and winning is a victory for those against gun control. Lets say this guy had a gun too and after surviving the five shots he decimated the entire family in a fit of rage over being shot? Yea lets go guns!

 

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That's where a gun with a clip that holds 14 comes in handy.......

Had he not looked in the closet for stuff to steal, he might not have been shot. She only shot him after he opened the door to the closet crawlspace....
Her house, she had every right to defend her family at any and all cost.


Why should her actions be questioned any way?
Since when do criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens? Screw them.......

That is appropriate use of a weapon, not shooting an unarmed man, who thought that in the middle of the day, the house was empty

reply to post by nixie_nox


Are you serious???????

Defending a criminal who broke into a house uninvited with the intention of stealing and no telling what else over a person who was at home minding her own business???
Really?????

It's so easy to sit back and sit in judgement of some one.
The only one that needs to be judged is the SOB who broke into this woman's house.

I just would like to say I don't know which is scarier......

Criminals who think they are above the law --- OR --- theses anti-gun nuts that think breaking in some one's house is okay but a person protecting her property and family is not.

Talk about mental health issues....
I think some one's priorities are all screwed up.

I just don't get it....

Seems like people here are trying to defend the intruder who illegally broke into her home. Some make it sound like they would have wanted her to try and have a conversation with the guy maybe offer him a beer. I honestly can’t understand the mindset of some on here. He was a criminal in her home with a weapon a crowbar can be very deadly. She protected her children and herself I have no pity for criminals of that sort. People are assuming he was there for valuables but the fact that the place was occupied makes me believe he was a predator looking for victims. Most burglars are careful to find homes that are empty I believe he knew she was there with her children. It is a sick world and you need to be prepared for the worst. She did the right thing a better outcome would have been him going to the morgue.

Her first plan A was a locked door the second plan B was hide while her husband called police and her third plan C was her gun. Next time she should use a shotgun. That could be plan D.

Originally posted by infolurker

Originally posted by pheonix358

Originally posted by TsukiLunar
reply to post by RN311

 

No one is saying she shouldn't have a gun....

Give it time, the thread is still in it's infancy.

P

LOL, the Brits will be on soon to call for her imprisonment because she shot the intruder and he didn't shoot first or some such non-sense (Brit - nothing I own "including my family, dignity, or pride" is worth taking a human life)

(American - Nothing I own is worth YOU risking your life criminal)

The eternal struggle:

I'm a brit, and wish everybody would stop taring us with the same *%@ing brush...
And i would kill anyone who tried hurting any of my kids.

Good on her, i'm glad she and her twins are safe, this is the perfect example of why you guys should keep your guns....