Ton of Gun Control Bills hit the house

reply to post by NavyDoc

Presently, 17 states regulate private firearm sales at gun shows. Seven states require background checks on all gun sales at gun shows (California, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Oregon, New York, Illinois and Colorado). Four states (Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania) require background checks on all handgun, but not long gun, purchasers at gun shows. Six states require individuals to obtain a permit to purchase handguns that involves a background check (Massachusetts, Michigan, North Carolina, Iowa, Nebraska). Certain counties in Florida require background checks on all private sales of handguns at gun shows. The remaining 33 states do not restrict private, intrastate sales of firearms at gun shows in any manner.[16][17]

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Now, what were you saying?

reply to post by Preacher76


I get that everyone
is doing the panic buy

my concern is that
they ram rod some
asshat bill threw the house
before the manufactures
have time to catch up & distribute


its funny how fast
they move when the want too

reply to post by DaTroof


I dont understand the point you're trying to make.

What you posted is exactly what NavyDoc said.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


The point I'm making is that there is no regulation on sales at gun shows. This allows stolen and/or unregistered weapons to get into the hands of criminals, easily. NavyDoc doesn't grasp that.

Oh, so by making it illegal, no one will EVER get guns without background checks, right? Isn't this the same logic that gets shot down by pro-gun people that "only criminals will have guns" if guns become illegal?

Originally posted by DaTroof
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

 

The point I'm making is that there is no regulation on sales at gun shows.

Not true. Some states may not have extra restrictions of their own but all private sales fall under:

Q: To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA?

A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his State, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may sell or transfer a firearm to a licensee in any State. However, a firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
Q: From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA?

A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee’s premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]

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Originally posted by DaTroof
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

Presently, 17 states regulate private firearm sales at gun shows. Seven states require background checks on all gun sales at gun shows (California, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Oregon, New York, Illinois and Colorado). Four states (Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania) require background checks on all handgun, but not long gun, purchasers at gun shows. Six states require individuals to obtain a permit to purchase handguns that involves a background check (Massachusetts, Michigan, North Carolina, Iowa, Nebraska). Certain counties in Florida require background checks on all private sales of handguns at gun shows. The remaining 33 states do not restrict private, intrastate sales of firearms at gun shows in any manner.[16][17]

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Now, what were you saying?

edit on 4-1-2013 by DaTroof because: (no reason given)

Dude, that is what I jsut got done telling you. What you posted above are the state laws for private transfers of firearms ANYWHERE in the mentioned states.

From your same link:

Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (FOPA), which allows FFLs to transfer firearms at gun shows provided they follow the provisions of the GCA and other pertinent federal regulations

I even bolded the pertinant verbage. It is a felony for an FFL to sell a firearm without a NCIS check. Period.

There is no such thing as an "unlicensed dealer." If you make a living selling guns or buy guns with the intent of turning around and selling them for a profit, you are a felon. From the link you provided"

U.S. federal law requires persons engaged in interstate firearm commerce, or those who are "engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, to hold a Federal Firearms License and perform background checks through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System maintained by the FBI prior to transferring a firearm.

The "gun show loophole" is private sales and transfers. My dad gave me two of his 50 year old M-1 Garands. They were "off the radar" because he bought them before NCIS was mandated. This infuriates gun grabbers because they know that these guns remain off the radar and want to make private transfers illegal.

Originally posted by DaTroof

Originally posted by spoonbender

Originally posted by DaTroof
reply to post by 200Plus

 

Kentucky, Florida, Virginia, Indiana, Tennessee.

Maybe things have changed in the last 2 or so years, but I saw hundreds of weapons purchased without ID/background checks.

just stop

I live in Virginia

go to shows in Virginia

buy @ shows in Virginia

Always get my background checked when purchasing

Always = Every-time
no change of law here

You didn't click my link, did you? I've watched firearms and ammo being sold for cash IN YOUR STATE. So, which of us is lying? The one with proof? Hrmmm...

no I didn't click your link

never said you were lying
but apparently my experience as a Virginian
makes me a liar

yeah guy

you got DaProof

Originally posted by DaTroof
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

 

The point I'm making is that there is no regulation on sales at gun shows. This allows stolen and/or unregistered weapons to get into the hands of criminals, easily. NavyDoc doesn't grasp that.

Oh, so by making it illegal, no one will EVER get guns without background checks, right? Isn't this the same logic that gets shot down by pro-gun people that "only criminals will have guns" if guns become illegal?

But you are wrong. There is regulation at gun shows. Every transfer at a gun show has to fulfill the same state and federal regualtions of every transfer out of the gunshow.

If any one is interested here is the Gov tracks link to keep track of the said bills www.govtrack.us...,2,3#current_status=1¤t_status=2 will be back with the Thomas link...link thomas.loc.gov...

Originally posted by DaTroof

Originally posted by Preacher76

HR141 - Require Background Checks on All Sales at a Gun Show thomas.loc.gov...:H.R.141:

This one is a must. Gun shows are where a vast majority of illegal guns come from.

What the hell are you babbling about?
Private gun sales are allowed in almost every state.
Gun shows are just were individuals are meeting to purchase/sell privately.
Anyone with a FFL or is a business has to perform background checks (Which are Unconstitutional) and then they can proceed with the sale.

The illegal acquisition of firearms is more from theft and in over the southern border then from gun shows.

reply to post by DaTroof


Dealers HAVE to, as the BATF comes in to dealers about every 5 years and runs the books and numbers.
You are wrong.

reply to post by DaTroof


I have worked numerous gun shows.
You are wrong.

reply to post by DaTroof


PRIVATE sales are not regulated like sales through a dealer/FFL holder.

You are so clueless it isn't funny anymore.

I think you guys are arguing and you're both right and wrong...Im sure some FFL dealers at gun shows don't always follow the rules. Now the loophole with private sales is tricky. In NY I can sell a long gun or a pistol as a private sale without any checks. There is no way to know if you're selling to a felon or someone with mental illness.

reply to post by Cosmic911
and if that weapon(s) are used in a killing they come for you the seller. if you have no way to prove you sold them, you do the time or at least i'v been told

Originally posted by Cosmic911

There is no way to know if you're selling to a felon or someone with
mental illness.

Which is why most private sellers will try to cover their asses from liability by requiring a buyer have a valid state permit (where applicable) or have an FFL do the transfer for a fee, or at the very least make them sign a bill of sale.

Plenty of private sellers would love to call NICS if only to cover their own asses.

The law conveniently forbids it.

A clause I can only assume was put in to keep this mythical scapegoat of a "loophole" open to be dragged out every couple of months by a bunch of ignorant little tyrants who have no clue what they're even talking about.

reply to post by DaTroof


So an illegally acquired weapon was used in sandy hook? Aurora? Virginia tech? Columbine? Want me to keep going? To force a background check is just adding another tax to gun ownership. I understand they have to at ffl but the goverment is twisting the shops arms. how about we require a mental Health check to own a weapon since crazies with legally squired weapons outweigh crimes where illegal guns are used.

But this is the way it should work as per the second amendment. I walk into a store I give them money I walk out with said gun. No check nothing. The shop has the right to REFUSE to sell to a person he may deem unfit for a weapon. That person can then go to another shop. If a obvious gang banger walks in he is not getting a gun and we all know it. The problem is these people all look good on paper when they buy a gun but look insane. It's like online applications. They don't care about your appearance or how you carry yourself they want what looks good on paper.

reply to post by macman
Not all FFL dealers are on the up and up got the Cash no paper trail got the bucks you to can own a m60 full auto, your just a joe who uses a lot of 308, one in ten are like this, one day sales some are the first to be some are the last 30 cal and 308 are the big give a ways buy 2 mags get one free, also sell AR15 conversion kits, so i'v been told. Are thees sales done in side or in the parking lot? the last one i went too, seen with my own eyes NAVY 82a1 50 full auto sold no paper work just cash, done on the inside was look at a BAR my self converted to NATO did not get it

reply to post by Cosmic911


Here's a question for you guys...what does the law say, if anything, about private sales and who you can or want sell to? What happens if you sell a firearm to a felon, since you don't have access to NCIS to perform a background check?

I think you just answered my question...thx!