U.S. Collapse leading to a new dawn for the Southern States?

One can always hope. Please those of you in the backwater, uneducated, frequently unwashed pitiful Southern States leave. Don't go away mad, just go away. I am tired of hearing about it already, please just do it please. We have a new love willing to work even cheaper than you and unlike your worn out peasantry China is a bit mysterious and exotic.

reply to post by Grifter42


The South will NOT rise again. At least not in the traditional sense.

The South is broken. The chief source of revenue is multi-national corpprations. The chief source of culture is television. The chief source of power for the South is it's moderate climate and relatively cheap land, both of which are sought after by people and entities that would eagerly reshape it.

It's only recourse is the coalescence of social conservatism. What I mean to say is...whether you identify as Liberal or Conservative in the South, you are still considered generally conservative nationwide.

That, however, will only take a generation or so to dilute.

reply to post by KeliOnyx


We've been trying to stay level headed and debate on an intellectual level, and you've come to bring us down to the level of mud slinging savages. Well, I won't give you the satisfaction. Myself and my kin have dignity and enough self respect to not indulge people like yourself.

You might debate like that in D.C., but those tactics won't work here in a non-biased forum. I hope one day you will learn to be more level headed in your words, good sir.

Originally posted by GoOfYFoOt
reply to post by Grifter42

 

In my opinion, the only way to truly have smaller government is to have a smaller country.

I wonder how many who agree with this statement, didn't fight for their right to, or, vote for Ron Paul?

I registered specifically to vote for Ron Paul and he got more of my money than any candidate ever has before. He also got my vote in the primary, but in the end, after what was done to him, I couldn't force myself to vote in the general. I will never vote again. Its all a hoax.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Exactly.

I don't know what fantasy world the OP is living in, but he better wake up mighty fast. The South hasn't contributed anything positive to this nation.

reply to post by skepticconwatcher


The South hasn't contributed anything to the nation? To use your own words, what sort of fantasy world are you living in?

You own a refrigerator? An air conditioner? You can thank a man in Florida named John Gorrie, who invented the concepts behind such things in the early 1850s. His ideas were revolutionary, until they were suppressed by a man from Boston, an Ice Mogul named Frederic Tudor. It was fifty years until someone gave it another look, and lo and behold, the things Mr. Gorrie said had something to them.

Now, I could go on listing the things that the South has invented that revolutionized the world, but you'd still dismiss them as being without merit as you're debating on knee-jerk reactions instead of rationality. I think I shall save my time.

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
One can always hope. Please those of you in the backwater, uneducated, frequently unwashed pitiful Southern States leave. Don't go away mad, just go away. I am tired of hearing about it already, please just do it please. We have a new love willing to work even cheaper than you and unlike your worn out peasantry China is a bit mysterious and exotic.

edit on 2-1-2013 by KeliOnyx because: (no reason given)

I can't imagine anyone wanting to live in a different country than the one you represent.

Originally posted by Grifter42
reply to post by KeliOnyx

 

We've been trying to stay level headed and debate on an intellectual level, and you've come to bring us down to the level of mud slinging savages. Well, I won't give you the satisfaction. Myself and my kin have dignity and enough self respect to not indulge people like yourself.

You might debate like that in D.C., but those tactics won't work here in a non-biased forum. I hope one day you will learn to be more level headed in your words, good sir.

No your not trying to keep anything level headed much less intellectual, if you were you wouldn't have posted his garbage to begin with. War of northern aggression, yankees and whatever other words you chose to use make it inflammatory for anywhere but the KKK forums. Fact is you do not know what aggression even means apparently, or just conveniently forgot South Carolina fired the first shots making them in fact the aggressors. You want the South to rise again I say go for it, like the boyfriend who often threatens to leave you won't so shut up sit down and do something constructive instead of making narrow short-sighted threats that you have no real intention of following through with. Because you already know if you do you will get put back in your place just like the first time around with this nonsense.

reply to post by KeliOnyx


Chill out. Who's the one getting riled up now? You. You're not doing your side justice, getting all angered and such. Hinders your ability to debate rationally. I have never once mentioned race or anything of that nature, and yet you compare me to the KKK. And who fired the first shot in that war is open to debate. What you've read in your history books is not the truth, it's a hundred and fifty years of misinformation.

Some of the stereotyping in this thread is out there, I mean way off base.

Anywhere you go the higher populated areas are going to be more civilized and fellow humans not quite so neighborly. The rural areas are not much different. I am from a decently populated town I South GA, it isn't backwoods incest rednecks, its dopeheads. No Confederate flags..

In rural central Pennsylvania though (I lived there a few years), there are Confederate flags EVERYWHERE. In living room windows, on the back of pickup trucks, on mailboxes. Those people were just as much rednecks as any example I've seen at home. Biggest difference is we say "yall" and they say "yins".. Wierd how popular that flag is up there though.

reply to post by 1/2 Nephilim


Yins? And Stars and Bars? Really? What a bizaare dialect of English. And it is increasingly bizaare, considering they fought on the side of the Union, that they would hang such a flag. Perhaps we Southerners have infiltrated further north than you think. Still can't stand the ungodly cold though.

Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by GoOfYFoOt
reply to post by Grifter42

 

In my opinion, the only way to truly have smaller government is to have a smaller country.

I wonder how many who agree with this statement, didn't fight for their right to, or, vote for Ron Paul?

I registered specifically to vote for Ron Paul and he got more of my money than any candidate ever has before. He also got my vote in the primary, but in the end, after what was done to him, I couldn't force myself to vote in the general. I will never vote again. Its all a hoax.

Yes. I wasn't quite sure what to make of it, leading up to the RNC, but after the blatant disrespect, and absolute chicanery, put forth by Priebus and company, I too, felt rather ill towards the entire illusion they tried to put forth.

As for the OP, I don't believe we will see another Confederacy rise up, regardless of what happens. But, we could live to witness several State's secessions, if things get too bad.

Being from Florida, we should be OK. As we have balanced budgets and several ports to trade from. It is definitely going to be interesting, if things continue to decline. And with the seeming agendas in motion, I can't say that that isn't what TPTB want, anyway...

But then again, we do have an awful lot of Civil War reenactors, and more than a few "Rebel" flags flying, in these parts....So, who knows?...

reply to post by KeliOnyx

You want the South to rise again I say go for it, like the boyfriend who often threatens to leave you won't so shut up sit down and do something constructive instead of making narrow short-sighted threats that you have no real intention of following through with. Because you already know if you do you will get put back in your place just like the first time around with this nonsense.

Trying to decipher ....

You detest narrow-minded southerners and you think they're a threat to you because they've threatened to leave you, but they're your southerners, after all, so they should do something constructive, like sit down and shut up.

What I'm hearing you say is that there's nothing you'd like better than to get rid of your old boyfriend southerners who have threatened to leave, but when they try to make you happy by leaving, you tell them that if they don't just sit down and shut up you'll have to go back down there again and tie them to chairs and stuff dirty socks in their mouths.

Sounds like the textbook definition of an abusive relationship.

Who could blame them for leaving?

reply to post by GoOfYFoOt

Yes. I wasn't quite sure what to make of it, leading up to the RNC, but after the blatant disrespect, and absolute chicanery, put forth by Priebus and company, I too, felt rather ill towards the entire illusion they tried to put forth.

It has always been an illusion. I only got back on board because I figured Paul was our last shot at doing something positive using the ruler's rule books. As we all can see, the rulers have no respect for their own rules. They never have.

As for the OP, I don't believe we will see another Confederacy rise up, regardless of what happens. But, we could live to witness several State's secessions, if things get too bad.

Doesn't even matter what its called ~ secession or a new confederacy, what we call the status quo simply isn't going to survive much longer and people should be prepared to find ways of surviving what comes next. We can be reactive and wring our hands after it totally collapses into chaos hoping someone will save us from ourselves, or we can be proactive and think ahead about things we can do at home like creating workable monetary systems to replace the one that has been stealing our labor and our wealth for over a century; and educating our kids using better methods and maybe even with a modicum of truth thrown in.

Even many adults need a better education and it wouldn't be all that hard to do if we put our minds to it and threw out the boring lying text books. According to the National Center for Educational Statistics, about 22% of American adults have minimal literacy skills. Some are functionally illiterate in that they can read some words but not enough to understand simple forms or instructions.

That in itself would be a good start to becoming capable of running our own lives.

/rant

Originally posted by Grifter42
reply to post by skepticconwatcher

 

The South hasn't contributed anything to the nation? To use your own words, what sort of fantasy world are you living in?

You own a refrigerator? An air conditioner? You can thank a man in Florida named John Gorrie, who invented the concepts behind such things in the early 1850s. His ideas were revolutionary, until they were suppressed by a man from Boston, an Ice Mogul named Frederic Tudor. It was fifty years until someone gave it another look, and lo and behold, the things Mr. Gorrie said had something to them.

Now, I could go on listing the things that the South has invented that revolutionized the world, but you'd still dismiss them as being without merit as you're debating on knee-jerk reactions instead of rationality. I think I shall save my time.

edit on 2-1-2013 by Grifter42 because: Edited for clarity.

Oh I'm sorry. Thank you for everything you contributed. I guess I should also thank you for the Cotton Gin because it made some of my ancestors jobs a whole lot easier.

You are set in your beliefs, and you are entitled to them. There are fundamental differences in the minds and hearts of Northerners and southerners, and you demonstrate it. You express nothing but rancor. It is people like you who caused me to adopt the beliefs I carry.

reply to post by skepticconwatcher


You drink Coca Cola? You can thank a confederate veteran named John Pemberton. Pride of Dixieland.
And I'll have you know that Robert E. Lee didn't own slaves. You know who did? That worthless drunk Ulysses S. Grant. He was a degenerate, and a terrible president. Pride of the Union.

reply to post by Grifter42


The problem with blue states is not blue states. It's big cities in blue states. All the statists live there. NYC, DC, San Francisco, LA, Chicago, Detroit... just put a big wall around those cities (or cut off their power), problem solved.

reply to post by lolita64


California atleast has some saving graces. I have a sort of respect for the western states just on account of that they're not hard core yankees. Now, there's way too many gangs, but it used to be a beautiful state. And not all big cities are terrible. Las Vegas is an awesome city. It's like Disneyland, if Disneyland wasn't a nightmarish yankee magnet with a hundred thousand screaming children. Don't get me wrong, it's a den of thieves, but it's an entertaining den of thieves. It has it's merits. Not like Disneyland. God, that's such a blemish.

I'd like to take a moment to distance this thread from the violent call for secession from a Mr. James Yeager. The fellow who claimed he would start killing people if harsher gun legislature were passed. Now, killing folks is the last thing in the world that's gonna fix anything. Nothing ends up solved by a gun battle with the police.

It's crazies like him that really do damage to credibility of the movement.