TR-3B

reply to post by CuriousR


One thing I am interested in is if this craft could be retired from service and never be made public.

Hi CuriousR, your two story are very interesting, and the first is very plausible there is a remplacent of the B-2 building in the black, but for the second the story of your cousin is a little suspicious. Not about the possibility of a test of a black aircraft, but there is a problem with the size of this plane your cousin say. A plane with a dimension of 600th feet for me is impossible to stock over the world, there is no base with a hangar big enough to this type of plane. So may be ok for a test on a new black triangle type of plane, but disagree on the size sorry.

Originally posted by darksidius
Hi CuriousR, your two story are very interesting, and the first is very plausible there is a remplacent of the B-2 building in the black, but for the second the story of your cousin is a little suspicious. Not about the possibility of a test of a black aircraft, but there is a problem with the size of this plane your cousin say. A plane with a dimension of 600th feet for me is impossible to stock over the world, there is no base with a hangar big enough to this type of plane. So may be ok for a test on a new black triangle type of plane, but disagree on the size sorry.

No need to appologize. Skepticizm is healthy, as long as you don't let it blind you.

I'm in the same boat as some of you are on the size of the craft. I was merely relaying the story in his words. Even if the thing is half that size, it's still very impressive that it can reach those kinds of speeds, fly almost silently, and hual the kind of cargo that was on it.

I'm definitely willing to say that a few of his details may have been mixed up. I would say "exadgerated", but he's one of those die-hard straight shooter guys who tells it how it is. So details aside, I believe it does exist.

Yes, we know surely a thing, there is something in the black what type of plane exactly we don't know, there is a lot of people who saw flying black triangle very huge in side. Tr3b or another name, may be a new type of bomber, your cousin say he see three tank go out of the plane, it may be a spec ops transport plane like a stealth C-17 , or may be transport and bomber. I think a plane like this could be in a max size in order of 200th feets, its very far of the 600th feets. And if the plane take off like a traditional operational plane it can't be in this size because of the size of the runway. But there is a thing, you heard a big sonic boom so there is a lot of questions about this story.

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I agree. I'd love to be able to see what my cousin saw up close, but I'm sure they are secret for a very good reason.

I heard last week that the US military budget for FY 2013 is around $716B, and that's just the amount that is public knowledge. That doesn't include the black budget stuff. So no doubt there must be some funds being poured into more radical tech and R&D.

I agree with some of the points made about the size of the craft my cousin got to see, but at the same time I'm too open minded to completely rule anything out. Anything is possible, really. As far as being able to keep something top secret hidden for long periods of time; people tend to forget that we only popluate about 2% of the earths surface. That includes the oceans due to many islands out there that are habitable. So there is a good percentage of the earth to fly over where no eyes can see the sky. At least not close enough to get a good look anyway. Plus, when the US has facilities like Area 51, Pine Gap, and many many others, that is a huge upper hand. The land and air space above them is closed off, and satelite images can only do so much. I personally feel that cloud cover is used more than we know as well. Some of the largest rumbles in the sky I hear from one or more air craft passing over head are on days when there is complete cloud cover. I get to see a lot of B-2 refuel practice runs during the warmer months, but if there is enough cloud cover you can only hear them. BTW, it's easy to forget just how strange a B2 looks until you see one behind a conventional aircraft. Made in the 80's, and they still look like something from the future, lol.

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Yes, and the biggest part of black budget is for USAF, and place like area51 is big enough to house big black aircrafts, this past years new huge hangars are been built in Groom Lake surely for new type of very classified plane.

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Except there's not a hangar there or any other base known that could house an aircraft that is 600 feet across. Even the Lufthansa Technik hangars that house multiple 747s can't handle something that big.

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Yes the problem is the size, I think a bomber or transport would be in the 120 or 130 feets.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
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Except there's not a hangar there or any other base known that could house an aircraft that is 600 feet across. Even the Lufthansa Technik hangars that house multiple 747s can't handle something that big.

Just build a Hanger 700 feet across....we have the tech to build a aircraft any size we wish....you just double everything.....though it might get to a point the weight of the fuel might be the main problem....hence nuclear fusion....maybe i'm talking Barry White... :-/

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Yeah, but they are talking about having something like 20+ of them supposedly. That means you would have over 20 700 foot hangars. I think someone would notice that.

Not unless the airframe/craft is semi-rigid or non-rigid in construction, and the cargo/crew section(s) are modular/detachable are the only true-form parts of the aircraft.. Thus, not needing a 1:1 size facility or hangar for storage and maintenance. And if this thing is as 'advanced' as we presume, then perhaps conventional fossil fuel is not necessary for the power source.

Of course, this is all pure speculation.

I'm glad to see what I shared has started some discussion. Just to clarify, I'm not here to argue on the size. It sounds hard to believe to me too, but at the same time, I'm a firm believer that anything is possible... to a relative extent. I have a buddy in the air force who got to sit and eat lunch with a high ranking general once. He said the conversation steered toward air craft, and the general just bluntly asked him and a few others what they thought about UFO's. He said they didn't want to look dumb, so they just shrugged and smiled. The general said that all the UFO sightings in the 50's were the USAF "just getting warmed up". If that's the case, then just imagine what they've cooked up over 60 years on the bill of the tax payers.

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Did your cousin happen to see where the craft was stored prior to takeoff or where it went after landing?

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Sorry I'm just now responding. I read your question earlier today and asked him tonight. No, unfortunately he didn't see any of that. He was just let out to the strip where they were training with the craft, and got to see it take off and do one fly over.

He said it was escorted over night from a another base, and then escorted back the next night. We looked around at some videos to see if anything on youtube might look like it. Nothing we found seemed to remind him of what we saw. Not even any pictures. BUT... he did get to see it leaving the base at night, and said the light pattern looks almost exactly like the one in this video:

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He said the lights on the back are more spread apart on the one he saw though. More like a perfect triangle shape. He said it was crazy because even at high altitude it still looks massive, and it made the fighter jets flanking it look like little toys too, lol.

After he saw the name TR-3B on the videos and pictures we were looking at, he said that they never called it any official name like that. They just called it The Nightmare. As in it's a nightmare to our enemies, I guess.

The thing I don't get though, and he didn't have an answer to, is why it needs escorts to just go from one base to the next? If it's nickname is The Nightmare, then why the need for escorts over our soil? He works there, and even he didn't know for sure. Maybe someone on here a little more protocol savy might know.

Originally posted by CuriousR
After he saw the name TR-3B on the videos and pictures we were looking at, he said that they never called it any official name like that. They just called it The Nightmare. As in it's a nightmare to our enemies, I guess.

The thing I don't get though, and he didn't have an answer to, is why it needs escorts to just go from one base to the next? If it's nickname is The Nightmare, then why the need for escorts over our soil? He works there, and even he didn't know for sure. Maybe someone on here a little more protocol savy might know.

Maybe he had to ride the thing once.

And maybe that's not a lot of fun. As in "it's a nightmare to be on this thing". Or, "every time you run this sucker up to full throttle, it's a crap shoot if you'll come back looking like borscht when the control systems fail to compensate fast enough".

Maybe it's like flying a #hook towing a load in the dark during a rainstorm sort of nightmare. And you need the escorts for when the thing decides falling out of the sky might be a nice option.

I could see not every bleeding edge tech device being fun or safe.

edit to add: for instance, we used to call one particular aircraft a "Crash Hawk", and it wasn't a term of endearment, but a prediction of inevitability. As in "don't get too near a radio station" or "please turn off the radar so we can land in one piece".

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Hi CuriousR, When your cousin hear the size, when the officer say it can cover 2 football field, may be when we look the size of a football size, a perfect triangle with 90 m on each size can cover 2 football field may be this is what the officer mean, and may be there is a possibility of folding wing to enter in a hangar, to reduce the size of the plane. And what is the base for in Missouri?

Originally posted by CuriousR
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The thing I don't get though, and he didn't have an answer to, is why it needs escorts to just go from one base to the next? If it's nickname is The Nightmare, then why the need for escorts over our soil? He works there, and even he didn't know for sure. Maybe someone on here a little more protocol savy might know.

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Maybe the escorts are to make sure the guys trial running the most advanced flying machine ever dont decide to do a Clint Eastwood and bugger off with Firefox....

PS....Could this particular Firefox only be controlled and flown by Aliens...Just a thought...

Originally posted by Soloprotocol

Originally posted by CuriousR
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The thing I don't get though, and he didn't have an answer to, is why it needs escorts to just go from one base to the next? If it's nickname is The Nightmare, then why the need for escorts over our soil? He works there, and even he didn't know for sure. Maybe someone on here a little more protocol savy might know.

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Maybe the escorts are to make sure the guys trial running the most advanced flying machine ever dont decide to do a Clint Eastwood and bugger off with Firefox....

PS....Could this particular Firefox only be controlled and flown by Aliens...Just a thought...

We used escorts all the time when refueling classified aircraft simply because the tanker pilots did not have the need to know what we were refueling. So it's possible that they always had escorts when flying

Originally posted by boomer135

Originally posted by Soloprotocol

Originally posted by CuriousR
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The thing I don't get though, and he didn't have an answer to, is why it needs escorts to just go from one base to the next? If it's nickname is The Nightmare, then why the need for escorts over our soil? He works there, and even he didn't know for sure. Maybe someone on here a little more protocol savy might know.

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Maybe the escorts are to make sure the guys trial running the most advanced flying machine ever dont decide to do a Clint Eastwood and bugger off with Firefox....

PS....Could this particular Firefox only be controlled and flown by Aliens...Just a thought...

We used escorts all the time when refueling classified aircraft simply because the tanker pilots did not have the need to know what we were refueling. So it's possible that they always had escorts when flying

Boomer...quick question...if you were refueling some aircraft and all of a sudden a Bona Fide flying disc or something really freaky hoved into view, (say one of these supposed 600 foot wide craft)...what would your reaction be.....would you try and sneak a pic of it, or just pretend you saw nothing, or would you requisition brown combat trousers for every flight from now on...???

Originally posted by Soloprotocol

Originally posted by CuriousR
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The thing I don't get though, and he didn't have an answer to, is why it needs escorts to just go from one base to the next? If it's nickname is The Nightmare, then why the need for escorts over our soil? He works there, and even he didn't know for sure. Maybe someone on here a little more protocol savy might know.

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Maybe the escorts are to make sure the guys trial running the most advanced flying machine ever dont decide to do a Clint Eastwood and bugger off with Firefox....

PS....Could this particular Firefox only be controlled and flown by Aliens...Just a thought...

We used to always send fighters out in pairs. Depending on the mission, and the crew size, it's always good to have a wingman. If they didn't have another fighter flying with them, they had to have a qualified pilot flying in the boom pod. That way if they had an emergency they had someone to help with the checklist, and trouble shooting. It's a lot easier to have someone read you the checklist over the radio, and concentrate on flying the airplane, than to try to read a checklist, hit the right switches, and concentrate on flying the airplane when you're in the middle of an emergency.