I'm a gun owner and support the 2nd amendment...and yes I'll protect you too

Originally posted by GunzCoty

Why do people still think that our military would come after us?
We are our military, is a soldier going to round up his/her family?

Give me 5 Minutes , and Ill have the Military shooting Civilians like Ducks at a Carnival.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by GunzCoty

Why do people still think that our military would come after us?
We are our military, is a soldier going to round up his/her family?

Give me 5 Minutes , and Ill have the Military shooting Civilians like Ducks at a Carnival.

edit on 27-12-2012 by Tw0Sides because: (no reason given)

Probably would happen. Then what? You just forced millions of armed citizens into the realization that now they HAVE to fight...I'd hate to be anyone with a badge or uniform on after that...

reply to post by Paschar0


Although I appreciate your post, there is one thing that you and so many other people do not understand or comprehend...... A gun is property, you have the NATURAL BORN RIGHT to own ANY property you wish. You may use it however you want, so long as you do not harm anyone or violate their rights or property. The 2nd Amendment unfortunately means diddly squat to you or I. We had the right to bear arms since man first walked the earth, we do not need a piece of paper to reiterate that or to protect that.

WE are the authority. Government ONLY HAS the authority to regulate commerce....THATS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They can make no law, code, statute, ordinance or regulation which would abrogate our NATURAL BORN RIGHTS, which existed long antecedent to the CREATION of "government" by MAN.

Does anyone else understand or comprehend this? Just say NO to ALL law enforcement (read that as security guards for the corporation), AND give no name, as that is CONSENT TO CONTRACT with these idiots. Stand up for your NATURAL BORN RIGHTS and tell the government to feck off and die!!!

WE have the RIGHT to own FULLY automatic weapons if we wish!!!! Harm no one!

Hey, OP! Who's going to protect me from you, when you have a bad day, your girlfriend dumps you, your Packers blow the big game, your car won't start, you neighbor looks at you the wrong way? Is there someone else, with a bigger gun, that will protect us all from you? And then, someone else still to protect us from the 'bigger gun' guy? I need to know, because that kind of knowledge, that a stranger is proclaiming his ability/willingness to 'protect' me when 'the time comes' is so veeeery conforting. Thanks, Papa Gun-Nut.

I am concealed weapon owner in miami,fl and ive been places with my family that i have been glad to have the right to have a means to defend my family and thank god we need to stand up americans have been respected for the fact that the majority of the people here have the strength to do so i know if we turn in our weapons its check mate!!!!

reply to post by ATF1886


Wow! Powerfully persuasive.

Originally posted by TownCryer
Hey, OP! Who's going to protect me from you, when you have a bad day, your girlfriend dumps you, your Packers blow the big game, your car won't start, you neighbor looks at you the wrong way? Is there someone else, with a bigger gun, that will protect us all from you? And then, someone else still to protect us from the 'bigger gun' guy? I need to know, because that kind of knowledge, that a stranger is proclaiming his ability/willingness to 'protect' me when 'the time comes' is so veeeery conforting. Thanks, Papa Gun-Nut.

He already answered that for you, my female intuition tells me that if you are a man, you're probably not one women want or men respect and so you're likely to be the one that will "snap" before the OP.

Freedom has a price, you enjoy all the benefits it brings, and in turn you have to endure some of the pain. You don't sacrifice freedom for safety or eventually you'll have neither. That's not just some antiquated phrase to be selectively ignored by people who have no real sense of self reliance.

Damn KATS, that was brutal...I think "Town CRYER" is probably doing just that.

"If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns"

I'm right there with ya OP. I refuse to be one of those people who whine and cry when 'the police didn't get there in time'.

reply to post by KTATS


I wonder, does your 'intuition' tell you that no one cares about your 'intuition', except you? Of copurse, if I think there should be some sensible gun control laws, I must be less than a man, right? I mean, if I were a 'real man', I'd want eveyone to have their own tank, right? What's wrong with me, caring about 20 gunned down First graders? I should just calling those kids wimps because they weren't carrying weapons themselves, right? You gun freaks ar ALL the same. If some one questions your logic, that person MUST be unworthy of serious consideration. I sure am glad all you open-minds are the ones who are armed.

Thanks for that, nice to see some of the replies too... makes me know the radical left hasn't completely infiltrated ATS! Flag and Star f or ya!!
TownCryer... blah, blah.. very typical of a liberal blaming us legal, responsible gun owners for a tragedy like this! I guarantee you are the ones that will indeed be looking to us for protection when you realize your precious Obama no longer has your back!

Oh, NRA member here and proud of it!

www.ijreview.com...

Following is a full summary of the 2013 legislation: Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of: 120 specifically-named firearms Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by: Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by: Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include: Background check of owner and any transferee; Type and serial number of the firearm; Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint; Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration

so here is a summary of pelosis proposed ban.......this is not looking good....wonder how long its gonna take to find out which hand guns are specificly banned,and im not sure what they mean by the grandfathered weapons have to be registered.....(as not all states require registration)

reply to post by wulff


Hey buddy, why don't you just start holding your breath until I come to you for help, OK?

Great thread!

I'm too a gun owner and support the 2nd amendment. Showing my support to you OP and all the other supporters and owners.

Stars and Flag.

-SAP-

Originally posted by noonebutme

Let's say things go to pot and the US govt decides, for whatever laughable reason, to "take over" its own citizens by force and round you up into controlled camps. You and your armed beer-swigging buddies say, "Nuh uh, not on my watch" - you grab your assault rifle(s) and...do....what? What do you do?

Probably an Americanized version of what the Afghanis and Vietnamese do to their invaders.
Seriously. If history tells us any one thing, it is that angry people fighting in defense of their own turf win at guerrilla warfare pretty much every time.

Originally posted by daddio
reply to post by Paschar0

 

Although I appreciate your post, there is one thing that you and so many other people do not understand or comprehend...... A gun is property, you have the NATURAL BORN RIGHT to own ANY property you wish. You may use it however you want, so long as you do not harm anyone or violate their rights or property. The 2nd Amendment unfortunately means diddly squat to you or I. We had the right to bear arms since man first walked the earth, we do not need a piece of paper to reiterate that or to protect that.

WE are the authority. Government ONLY HAS the authority to regulate commerce....THATS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They can make no law, code, statute, ordinance or regulation which would abrogate our NATURAL BORN RIGHTS, which existed long antecedent to the CREATION of "government" by MAN.

Does anyone else understand or comprehend this? Just say NO to ALL law enforcement (read that as security guards for the corporation), AND give no name, as that is CONSENT TO CONTRACT with these idiots. Stand up for your NATURAL BORN RIGHTS and tell the government to feck off and die!!!

WE have the RIGHT to own FULLY automatic weapons if we wish!!!! Harm no one!

What you said is true. Except that we are no longer in a Republic. It is a Corporate Democracy. We no longer have a "government" as most people visualize such. It all comes down to what your status is. If your status is US citizen, you have NO RIGHTS, only privileges that can be revoked at any time.
Started with:
Gettysburg Address in 1864,
and the Incorporation of
District of Columbia by (Presidential) Legislative Act of February 21, 1871, under the Emergency War Powers Act and the Reconstruction Acts.
Then reorganized June 11, 1878
--16 Stat. 419 Chapter 62

a " Corporation"
with a legislature was established,
with all the apparatus of a distinct government created (Incorporated) by (Presidential) Legislative Act,
February 21, 1871
Forty-first Congress, Session III,
Chapter 62, page 419

On June 20, 1874, the President with advice of Senate abolished and replaced the 1871 government with a commission consisting of three persons.
18 Stat. at L. 116, chap. 337

A subsequent act approved June 11, 1878 (20 Stat. at L. 102, chap. 180) was enacted stating that the District of Columbia should 'remain and continue a municipal corporation,' as provided in 2 of the Revised Statutes relating to said District
(brought forward from the act of 1871)

"United States" is the "District of Columbia" incorporated.
"The United States government is a foreign corporation with respect to a State" Volume 20: Corpus Juris Sec. § 1785,
Also: NY re: Merriam 36 N.E. 505 1441 S. 0.1973, 14 L. Ed. 287

In UNITED STATES CODE, Title 28,
in Section 3002 Definitions,
it states the following:
(15) "United States" means—
(A) a Federal corporation;
usavsus.info...
As I've stated on other threads, if you are a US citizen you are screwed. You are a member of a corporation and must abide by it's policies(statutes). You are also collateral for the debt owed by your corporation from borrowing "money" from the privately owned "Federal" Reserve.
Do not consent? Heh, do you have a Social Security # ?
Do you live in a Federal Zone? In other words, do you have a zip code or use the 2-letter abbreviation for your state?
Do you use federal reserve notes voluntarily? or under duress.
Do you have a state issued marriage license/certificate?
If yes to any of the above, you have voluntarily contracted/consented.
If you want to own your "firearm" you need to export it from UNITED STATES INC to a state in the union of states.

Originally posted by TownCryer
reply to post by wulff

 

Hey buddy, why don't you just start holding your breath until I come to you for help, OK?

I won't do that but you will need protection... and guess what? I'll be there for you!
God bless!

Originally posted by TownCryer
reply to post by KTATS

 

I wonder, does your 'intuition' tell you that no one cares about your 'intuition', except you? Of copurse, if I think there should be some sensible gun control laws, I must be less than a man, right? I mean, if I were a 'real man', I'd want eveyone to have their own tank, right? What's wrong with me, caring about 20 gunned down First graders? I should just calling those kids wimps because they weren't carrying weapons themselves, right? You gun freaks ar ALL the same. If some one questions your logic, that person MUST be unworthy of serious consideration. I sure am glad all you open-minds are the ones who are armed.

See, wrong again, I care about her female intuition as I find the conservative women I know are a LOT smarter than the liberal males I know! .... and in a time of crisis, I would much rather have her on my wing than the likes of a person that can only sling insults but could never protect himself or family!
Oh, by the way I don't drink beer (or as put 'Sling Beer with my buddies) and I am a Christian, that doesn't mean I will turn the other cheek if slapped however!
By the way, look up "School massacre, Bath, Michigan 1927" a handyman was pissed because he blamed the school for raising his taxes, set stolen dynamite with a timer at the school, packed his car with dynamite and nails, went home bashed his wife to death with a hammer. Drove back to the school that had since exploded killing 47, when people came up to his car he set off the charges killing 5 more plus himself! I wrote about it for a local paper one time called "When Hell came to Bath"... oh, he wasn't a "gun freak and didn't use a gun or never owned one!
God Bless

I appreciate the sentiment, OP. But I live in a society that is not overrun by fretful people that hold guns closer to their bosoms than their own children. As such, I do not require your protection.

But thanks, anyway, Duke!

Originally posted by CristobalColonic
I appreciate the sentiment, OP. But I live in a society that is not overrun by fretful people that hold guns closer to their bosoms than their own children. As such, I do not require your protection.

But thanks, anyway, Duke!

You may find in the near future that you will WISH you had a gun to defend you and your family as the NWO eventually engulfs the whole world!
If you are just trying to make responsible gun owner 'feel' bad, won't happen as I am a gun owner that will use my guns to protect my children so I can hold them close!
How will you protect your children and yourself in time of say a break in where the perps don't want to leave any witnesses? Oh yeah, calmly call 911 and hope the police will get there in a timely manner to begin their murder investigation!