A list of already debunked theories, re: Sandy hook

reply to post by CosmicBob


It wasn't my interview. It's an interview I came across. I already explained that the times COULD be off.

reply to post by CinnamonHearts


My apologies. I misinterpreted that the video was part of a playlist compiled by you and misattributed you to creator of the video. Easy to get mixed up when YT keeps changing their design I guess.

reply to post by CosmicBob


Understandable. It is part of my playlist, but I didn't make the video. There are so many videos out there on this, that I save the ones I want to listen to again at some point.

Anyhow this has been fun, but i have to get ready for court wednesday, my parents have unresolved issues relating to their divorce and it's affecting my life at this point, and needs to be addressed before i can continue to waste time here..

reply to post by vkey08


Hypothetical question.
When they have the drills in the schools like happened a month or so at Sandy Hook and like was going on
at the same time as the alleged shooting over in Putnam County simultaneously, would that be an instance of where your area of expertise would come clipboard in handy?

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
reply to post by swansong19

 

He said she heard two shots over the intercom.
I got another one here telling me they were walking around at the school also accounting for people at 11am.

At a scene mind you that any police would have stationed police cruisers and blocked it off so this teen would
never have been anywhere near there to see first hand cops carrying out a kid...

Yeah, well I guess so since they didn't allow ambulances in, I suppose we are to believe they hand carried the victims up to the Fire Department where parents were waiting to pick up their children. A great idea to stage the ambulances there, huh?

It's the most convoluted BS story they could possibly come up with.
Thank goodness no children were harmed in the making of this propaganda.

edit on 30-12-2012 by PaperbackWriter because: (no reason given)

I never even noticed it before but the kid says...

There were some parents trying to keep security going...but...it was very messy, yes.

Parents providing security??

reply to post by vkey08

I do not believe in any way shape manner or form that Adam Lanza was the sole shooter and I believe that there was another shooter or shooters involved and that we need to be on alert for that. I was not alone, but noone that mentioned that was taken seriously, they had the body of the guy they said did it. I still think to this day there's another person or person's out there waiting to hit another school, maybe closer to Hartford this time, and that scares me to death, I have kids in school, a school that has a similar security system to Sandy Hook (although a bit older) and they buzz anyone in that hits the buzzer, and the only camera i know of there is the little itty bitty one at the door.

Wouldn't it be an even worse conspiracy if the police knew (or believed) there could be other potential shooters out there and not issue appropriate warnings? They still insist it was only Adam, although hardly anyone paying any attention to the reports and stories still believes that.

Sorry to hear about your family problems.

reply to post by PaperbackWriter


Short answer: yes it would, long answer would exceed 5000 characters

reply to post by vkey08


Thank you for sharing the short answer.
There really is no need for the other 4,997.

Psssst...you. Yeah...you.

Do ya like conspiracy theories?

Remember what it was like to be able to discuss them? Wanna hear one?

If there is something going on...there has to be someone...somewhere...trying to let somebody...know something...right? There are still a lot of decent people on the planet.

Remember all the discussion about how someone contaced the Newtown Bee (we don't know how) claiming to be the principal? And remember how people were saying the story was bogus because of the spelling mistake? The "shows" instead of "shots"? Is it odd that the only part of the statement actually quoted to this mystery person is the part..."on and on"?

This is exactly how it appeared before the page was deleted. I can't find my cached verison.
i1.someimage.com...

Sandy Hook School principal Dawn Hochsprung told the Bee that a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shows - more than she could count - that went "on and on".

The link for the now deleted page.
newtownbee.com...

And the retraction.
newtownbee.com...

An early online report from the scene at the December 14 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School quoted a woman who identified herself to our reporter as the principal of the school. The woman was not the school's principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the Friday morning attack. The quote was removed from subsequent online versions of the story, but the original story did remain in our online archive for three days before being deleted.

We apologize for whatever confusion this may have caused our readers and for any pain or anguish it may have cause the Hochsprung family.

If you look over the story...there's one "typo".......SHOWS

In the short retraction there is also a typo...odd for such a short...solemn...and, I would assume, embarrassing task...and a word just typed in the previous sentence.....CAUSE....Instead of caused.

Shows cause. For what? Increased security...surveillance...martial law?

I've actually found a few more rather bizarre messages. But I'll leave that for now.

Originally posted by swansong19
Psssst...you. Yeah...you.

Do ya like conspiracy theories?

Remember what it was like to be able to discuss them? Wanna hear one?

If there is something going on...there has to be someone...somewhere...trying to let somebody...know something...right? There are still a lot of decent people on the planet.

Remember all the discussion about how someone contaced the Newtown Bee (we don't know how) claiming to be the principal? And remember how people were saying the story was bogus because of the spelling mistake? The "shows" instead of "shots"? Is it odd that the only part of the statement actually quoted to this mystery person is the part..."on and on"?

This is exactly how it appeared before the page was deleted. I can't find my cached verison.
i1.someimage.com...

Sandy Hook School principal Dawn Hochsprung told the Bee that a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shows - more than she could count - that went "on and on".

The link for the now deleted page.
newtownbee.com...

And the retraction.
newtownbee.com...

An early online report from the scene at the December 14 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School quoted a woman who identified herself to our reporter as the principal of the school. The woman was not the school's principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the Friday morning attack. The quote was removed from subsequent online versions of the story, but the original story did remain in our online archive for three days before being deleted.

We apologize for whatever confusion this may have caused our readers and for any pain or anguish it may have cause the Hochsprung family.

If you look over the story...there's one "typo".......SHOWS

In the short retraction there is also a typo...odd for such a short...solemn...and, I would assume, embarrassing task...and a word just typed in the previous sentence.....CAUSE....Instead of caused.

Shows cause. For what? Increased security...surveillance...martial law.

I've actually found a few more rather bizarre messages. But I'll leave that for now.

edit on 30-12-2012 by swansong19 because: (no reason given)

Or a much simpler explanation is that these typos are simply what they are.... typos! It's quite a leap to try and read a hidden message in that and creates more questions than it answers.

I don't live in Newtown and can't really speak to the level of editing the Newtown Bee do in their website reporting, but it is quite a bit more plausible to consider bad copy checking and editing as a valid reason for these spelling mistakes.

Originally posted by pinkbirdatabase
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

Gun owners outed like sex offenders.

www.infowars.com...


A timely coincidence?

More like a deliberate attempt to place them in danger, especially since some already asked if they could shoot NRA members.

The psyop angle isn't accidental, either.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by Receptive
reply to post by destination now

 

Sorry, I was a little ambiguous. The list of slain students all came from the two classes. All the survivors came from the two classes. The girl who played dead is alive and accounted for. Emilie Parker was absent in the class photo and is accounted for. We don't know the names of the kids alive in the class photos nor the ones that escaped. Just that the count exceeds what the class pictures are telling us.

Not all students are necessarily in a class picture. Kids get sick, and miss school at times, and that can include on picture day. I don't see such a photo as proof of anything except the students in it being shown to be in that class. We can't see those that missed being in the picture.

The most details come from
earlier, more descriptive reporting. The earlier reports contains
clearer, straighter information. Help me out guys.
1. Police - finding "7 kids safe in the closet."

www.usatoday.com...

www.courant.com...

www.courant.com...
2. 6 kids (4 girls 2 boys) at Gene Rosen's house. "Mrs. Soto is dead."
They each left with parents.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

www.nbcconnecticut.com...

abcnews.go.com...

www.nypost.com...

www.thehour.com...
www.insideedition.com...
Gene Rosen, parents and group walk over to firehouse?

www.newstimes.com...
3. Aidan Licata plus 1 girl and 1 boy ran away. A woman picked them up
in her van and took them to police station.

www.thedailybeast.com...

www.kvia.com...
transcripts.cnn.com...
"The children got out"

www.cbsnews.com...
4. Jen Maksel sees 5 additional Soto students at firehouse, while
searching for her son, and-
5. 5 more Soto students, boys, including Bryce Maksel have been taken
to Newtown police station by "two moms".

www.people.com...

www.examiner.com...

26 students survived from Soto's class.

Soto's class picture shows 15 kids.
Yet they finally said 5 of Soto's students perished?
It's hard to make sense when you don't know which ones survived.

"5 slain 9 survived" 14?

www.examiner.com...
class of 16?

www.thedailybeast.com...

What can you make of this?
Teachers on Facebook: "He killed her and not one of her children were
harmed."
Friend on Tumblr: "Not one of her students were harmed."

www.thedailybeast.com...
www.kcentv.com...

www.newcanaannewsonline.com...

www.chron.com...

www.dailyheraldtribune.com...

www.sfgate.com...
Soto hurried her first-graders into a bathroom near Classroom 10, just
beyond the school’s main glass doors. Two students stood on the
toilet. Others huddled on the floor. With no space left, Soto stepped
out of the small room herself, a witness said. A 20-year-old man
wearing black stepped into the classroom and shot her before quickly
exiting the room.
wapo.st...

www.washingtonpost.com... 253bccfc7532_story_1.html

reply to post by Receptive


Excellent post.

Thanks for taking the time to put it together.

Little Help Here

I was provided the web cache for the Newtown Bee page...

The link may need to be refreshed a few times before it pops up.

cc.bingj.com...

Could someone explain to me how the cache date could be Dec 13th?????

I took a screencap in case it disappears. You'll have to zoom in a bit cuz I wanted to get the date and the quote on the screen.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes


Why do people have firearms in their homes? Most people buy them to protect their property and family. I would imagine it would not be harmful to gun owners to have their registrations public since it would deter any criminals from entering their homes while they were present. It would be the folks that didn't have a firearm that would become vulnerable to an average criminal.

However...I believe the purpose of the disclosure was to "shame" the gun owner since that is what the MSM is running with right now; the vilification of gun owners.

It is a psy-op, and you watch, it will work. It is a coordinated attack on citizens exercising their constitutional right to bear arms. Like they are some type of lawless individual. It is an assault that is intended to vilify and intimidate.

And while I am at it...I am tired of people on this forum and others like it, calling the participating populace out on being chicken of confronting the government that is oppressing us. Real tired of it! How do you fight against a population that is controlled by a mass media that directs their content to disinform, divide and conquer, and cause anger at a population that has nothing to do with it's woes?? Freeeek, I talk to family members and friends about looking past what they are served up daily and they either look at me like I have blown a gasket, or they want to argue with me about some issue that they have been so completely brainwashed about.

We are fighting a losing battle. Shoot, half the country hates the other half. We can't even be respectful of each other here, on a conspiracy board??? Why? Because they are constantly creating division and pitting us against each other.

Take for example the last election: this country was divided almost in half, if you are to believe the election results, which I question myself.

The populace is manipulated by a mass and I mean MASS media. If they don't get it on their tv's or radios they get it in their inboxes. There is a coordinated effort to destroy us from within by creating division amongst the common man. Causing animosity between peoples for the most trivial of issues. Issues that mean NOTHING to them.

We MUST move past that first.

Next, they have created a security state that will be impossible to escape from. Hey, not everyone is off the grid. They have written laws that are so secretive not even members of congress are able to know their full content. That is even more scary than all the NDAAs ever signed. The groundwork is being laid. And you want to call us; those of us who have tried to make a difference; pu&&sies for not sticking up and fighting for our rights!?

Ha ha ha ha. I laugh in your face. Tell me how you are gonna protect your family when there is a frickin drone flying over your house and you have been reduced to a 22 caliber handgun. Don't you dare blame us, us Americans, for that. WE didn't do this to our country and we are powerless. There are those that see what is happening but are powerless to affect ANY change.

Oh, what do you want us to do??? Confront our government? Really? How do you think that is going to end up? Well, I think that all the preparations have been placed to confront anyone who would wish to defy the current and coming police state.

You keyboard warriors, you go ahead and do the recon.

reply to post by GrantedBail


Speak for yourself.

If you're premise is we are manipulated by the MSM, then the solution is simple. Turn off your tv and stop watching CNN. That's a much simpler battle than the men and women had to deal with when kicking out the British Empire and creating the United States.

Your biggest battle is with your own fears and over-active imagination. I'm sure we'll do fine without your help.

Btw, you're not laughing in anybody's face. You're sitting in front of a computer screen laughing by yourself over an imaginary battle that was only fought in your own mind.

reply to post by Receptive


No, this is the opposite of an excellent post. It's moronic to try to fit one's perceptions of what one believes reality is supposed to be into what reality is when one don't know the facts.

It's a complete exercise in futility, at best pointing out discrepancies in very poor journalistic standards combined with and plethora of your own misinterpretations.

All in just two weeks since 28 dead bodies were found in Newtown.

This "research" serves zero practical purpose in terms of finding out the truth, other than the truth being YOU can't seem to make sense of anything. I bet the parents know whose class their kids were in.

reply to post by sconner755


Don't be obtuse. I am not the enemy.

It appears you are trying to blame me for the problems that we, collectively are facing??? Right?

I see right through you.

What exactly do you do for a living?

Originally posted by swansong19
Little Help Here

I was provided the web cache for the Newtown Bee page...

The link may need to be refreshed a few times before it pops up.

cc.bingj.com...

Could someone explain to me how the cache date could be Dec 13th?????

I took a screencap in case it disappears. You'll have to zoom in a bit cuz I wanted to get the date and the quote on the screen.

edit on 30-12-2012 by swansong19 because: (no reason given)

Lol I would be suspicious of malware. Anytime I've seen sites that needed to be refreshed a few times before loading the desired page have meant that malware is being dropped onto your computer with each refresh.

What makes you think cc.bingj.com is Bing's cache site?

Maybe you should contact Bing or try googling "cc.bingj.com malware virus" or something like that before you send people to this link. It's a hacker's wet dream to have a page with malicious code go viral.

You might want to edit your post and disable the link until you confirm cc.bingj.com is a legit site.