A list of already debunked theories, re: Sandy hook

I have neither seen nor heard any reports as to children being shot in the hallway.
There appears to be corridor doors to that section of the classrooms for kindergarten and first grade apart from
individual classroom doors.

I can see no reason why this maintenance person would have found his way to this area without being confronted and prohibited from entering by LE.
Unless his truck/van belonging to the school was parked at the front entrance and there is no evidence any such vehicle was there as the shooter entered, then we must postulate that he was parked and entered near the lunchroom or maintenance delivery door.

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

What exactly do you want me to refute considering I've never offered up even one of the "theories" mentioned in your original post? I read through topics to possibly find new information, not debunk some poster who thinks he's the superior holder of all knowledge on a topic. Unlike you, I don't claim to have all of the answers, and sometimes other posters offer up information I've never come across before.

Well, you are the one claiming I am wrong, and that my post is a lie. For that to be true, you MUST have proof that at least ONE thing that I posted was false.
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Oh, wait...you didnt even read the OP. In other words, you are telling me Im wrong, but dont even know what was said....

Please, tell me where I claimed to have all the answers. Toss a quote up here for us.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by swansong19

Originally posted by captaintyinknotsBut hey, when you cant refute the topics, why not make stuff up, right?

Fine...

Refute the fact that there are 15 kids in Soto's class. Refute the reports of 6 being killed...7 being found in a closet...and 6 escaping.

Refute it without making anything up...or providing opinion.

Refute it with facts that there were more kids were in the class...or that some were missing on picture day. Refute the claims that 6 made it to Rosen's.

Refute anything claim in this post.

Ahhh, and back to the things not posted in the OP, but that you somehow think prove me wrong-

Ok, as I asked before: Do you have a class list? Or even an official class count? Do you know if any kids were absent on picture day? Were any more kids added to the class after picture day? You are the one making the claim, therefore the burden of proof is on you. So can you prove that this picture includes the entirety of the class?

I cant refute those claims, as I dont have that info. Ive said all along, there are questions that need to be answered here. But you cannot prove otherwise, either. So what we have are questions. Does that somehow prove a conspiracy to you?

but I ask again-what does asking about these things-things that I do not claim to have debunked-prove to you? Does it somehow make you think that this non-related question negates my OP?

Ahhh,...the old "not in the OP"...the rallying cry of the woefully unprepared to debate.

So you won't even do the most basic of investigation to either prove or refute the claims...but you claim to care about the families and the integrity of this discussion.

If there is one post in this entire thread that shows you for who you are, it's the one above.

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
I have seen nor heard any reports as to children being shot in the hallway.
There appears to be corridor doors to that section of the classrooms for kindergarten and first grade apart from
individual classroom doors.

I can see no reason why this maintenance person would have found his way to this area without being confronted and prohibited from entering by LE.
Unless his truck/van belonging to the school was parked at the front entrance and there is no evidence any such vehicle was there as the shooter entered, then we must postulate that he was parked and entered near the lunchroom or maintenance delivery door.

Again, I have not seen his quotes. Could he have been speaking of adult bodies? (im asking that honestly...maybe you could post the quote for me?)

Are you sure he wasnt being escorted out at the time? Regardless of where he was parked, the police surely would be taking a full inventory of who was in the building, in case they needed to ask further questions. Maybe he was ushered out the front door to give his statement?

Again, I am just postulating on this one. I dont have enough info to make a definitive call. It definitely remains a question.

reply to post by swansong19




Unprepared to debate something that I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED WAS FALSE? Your rhetoric tires me-you wish to attempt to discredit me by posting things that I have never claimed. Its a bit silly. I have indulged you thus far, but the ad hom and straw men are getting old, and will soon be ignored.

How funny is it that you make the claim, but havent done the research to answer the most basic of questions about it, and then turn around and try to put it on ME to prove you right or wrong. Scratch that, its not funny. Its fairly pathetic.

Burden of proof, again, is on the accuser. As such an amazing 'investigator" (

), surely you know that this is the basic standard for all accusations and claims, right?

Im not sure what you think you are proving by going off topic and getting me to admit (which I have all along) that there are unanswered questions. IVE NEVER CLAIMED THAT THERE ARE NO UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. I claimed that the items in the op are debunked or baseless, and I stand completely by that.

You are serving as a prime example of the pattern, and the type of people that are making these asinine claims.

Seriously, I dont get it...what do you think you are proving?

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

What exactly do you want me to refute considering I've never offered up even one of the "theories" mentioned in your original post? I read through topics to possibly find new information, not debunk some poster who thinks he's the superior holder of all knowledge on a topic. Unlike you, I don't claim to have all of the answers, and sometimes other posters offer up information I've never come across before.

Well, you are the one claiming I am wrong, and that my post is a lie. For that to be true, you MUST have proof that at least ONE thing that I posted was false.
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Oh, wait...you didnt even read the OP. In other words, you are telling me Im wrong, but dont even know what was said....

Please, tell me where I claimed to have all the answers. Toss a quote up here for us.

Please show me the post where I said you were "wrong." I skimmed your theories, and came to the conclusion it wasn't worth refuting anything because those "theories"/"claims" are irrelevant in my opinion. Why waste my time refuting something that I don't believe in the first place?

As for my proof, go read your original post. Everything you wrote, you claim to be FACTS. They may be very well be, but we do not have proof of that. Until we do, they're just your opinions, at least to me.

reply to post by captaintyinknots



Dennis Stratford, who works for the school district, happened to be making a delivery to Sandy Hook Elementary School when the gunman attacked. He saw dead children. He saw the remains of dead children on those who survived. He waited agonizing minutes for his own child to emerge unharmed from the school. Two of his neighbors' children did not.

"I go home and cry every night, and I cry every morning," Stratford said.

He went to one counseling session, but the horrific images remain. What helps more is work: sorting through the warehouses full of gifts, delivering them where they need to go or doing whatever else needs to be done for his town.

"There were nine minutes of evil, and an infinity of goodness after that," Stratford said, sitting on a forklift loaded with gifts. "This is therapy for me."



Read more: www.timesunion.com...


He even has it timed to the minute. Interesting.

reply to post by CinnamonHearts


My question to you is what exactly you are refuting in his OP?

Are you just mad that he made the claims that those topics are bunk and if so why can you offer anything I mean anything at all that shows he is wrong?

If not what exactly your gripe about?

If it isn’t anything other than you do not like the wording of the title then you are really just wasting his time with you nonsensical complaining. If none of them are your theory’s what is the problem? It seems like that you just want to argue without adding anything of substance to the thread.

reply to post by CinnamonHearts


From the previous page:

The first sentence of your post is inaccurate, and therefore, I didn't bother reading the rest.

Another person, another oops

I am amazed Mr.Stratford had the presence of mind to run a stopwatch during the shooting to know the exact
elapsed time.

I have a theory of course. But, you won't like it.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


It was inaccurate. Attributing a comment made by another poster to me is inaccurate. You said I posted something that was posted by someone named Pilot. Inaccurate in my world. What is this "oops"? Your way of apologizing for saying something inaccurate?

reply to post by PaperbackWriter


That is very strange, although it does lend itself to the support of my musings on it. He had a kid in the school, so he would have wanted to wait out front. So it does make sense, then, that he would have headed toward the front of the school, not the back where his van may have been.

Again, the best thing I can think of is that doors were open or bodies were in the hallway, but I certainly cannot say that definitively.

Definitely makes you wonder, thats for sure.

reply to post by Grimpachi


Are you the OP's puppet/alter ego, because you certainly pop up enough coming to his defense. I already explained why I didn't "refute" them. I didn't believe those "theories" in the first place. Why the need to refute then? What part of this don't you understand?

Originally posted by captaintyinknotsUnprepared to debate something that I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED WAS FALSE?

Now we're getting somewhere.

So you don't claim it's false that 6 kids died...7 hid...and 6 escaped...from a class of 15.

You accept that as being the available evidence.

But you see no glaring inconsistency worthy of investigation?

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

It was inaccurate. Attributing a comment made by another poster to me is inaccurate. You said I posted something that was posted by someone named Pilot. Inaccurate in my world.

Perhaps there was a miscommunication here-i was under the impression that you were saying the OP was inaccurate. Seems like that was my misunderstanding, and I apologize for that.

That said, you are still here saying the things listed are opinion, not fact. I am saying they are fact. Therefore, you are saying that I am wrong. So which one of these things do you think is not a fact? Perhaps I can clarify for you.

reply to post by PaperbackWriter


I found this part interesting:
"He saw the remains of dead children on those who survived. He waited agonizing minutes for his own child to emerge unharmed from the school."

Read more: www.timesunion.com...

So he was INside of the building, saw dead bodies, did not see his own child, and left the building without his child? What parent would do that? Did both classrooms have children who survived? I thought it was just the one.

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

Are you the OP's puppet/alter ego, because you certainly pop up enough coming to his defense. I already explained why I didn't "refute" them. I didn't believe those "theories" in the first place. Why the need to refute then? What part of this don't you understand?

edit on 27-12-2012 by CinnamonHearts because: (no reason given)

Nice ad hom attack are you making those because you have nothing of substance to add or are you just naturally a jerk.

You still haven’t told us why you are here. What is your gripe or are you just here to argue for arguing sake. Nothing better to do I guess.

Originally posted by swansong19

Originally posted by captaintyinknotsUnprepared to debate something that I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED WAS FALSE?

Now we're getting somewhere.

So you don't claim it's false that 6 kids died...7 hid...and 6 escaped...from a class of 15.

You accept that as being the available evidence.

But you see no glaring inconsistency worthy of investigation?

Now we are getting somewhere? It took you this many posts to get 'somewhere', when this is what I have said all along?

Considering that I asked some important questions about this, does that not show that I believe it needs to be investigated more?

So, its your claim. Can you answer those most basic of questions, that HAVE to be answered before you can move on to proving it an inconsistency?

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
reply to post by PaperbackWriter

 

I found this part interesting:
"He saw the remains of dead children on those who survived. He waited agonizing minutes for his own child to emerge unharmed from the school."

Read more: www.timesunion.com...

So he was INside of the building, saw dead bodies, did not see his own child, and left the building without his child? What parent would do that? Did both classrooms have children who survived? I thought it was just the one.

Police, at that point, were securing the building, meaning they would not have allowed anyone to linger inside. It wouldnt have been an option for him to wait inside for his child. That is standard procedure when a building is being cleared-you wait in the designated meeting place, not in the crime scene.

As I have read it, one child survived in one room by playing dead, and a few in the other room survived while hiding in a closet. But details are sketchy, so its hard to say.

Originally posted by captaintyinknotsNow we are getting somewhere? It took you this many posts to get 'somewhere', when this is what I have said all along?

I'll ask you again. Is this glaring inconsistency worthy of further investigation?