DISCUSSION: The Ridiculous Stereotypes Leveled at Guns and Gun Owners & Where They Come From...

reply to post by TheCanuckian


The only glaring difference between canadian and US gun laws is the demonization of hand guns. There are plenty of guns in the country. Even what is labeled as "assault rifles" in the US.

I have gotten redneck, and hillbilly as well as all that have been mentioned. I don't care what names they want to toss at me, I am happy being a countryboy. Sure, I may have some dangerous animals to worry about, better that than people that act like animals.

Well I guess you feel Jeff had his right to hunt taken away from him. And his God given right to eat. And they threw him in prison for it.link

Poor guy I guess had his rights taken away. Or do you realize that some thing are not so simple?

reply to post by JBA2848


Got caught feeding the troll, apologies OP

reply to post by TKDRL


How about NSSFwhich is located two miles from the school where the shootings happened was pushing to legalize all ammunition. And that was to include armor piercing rounds and depleted uranium. Does that sound like a good idea? You know how those armadillos are just rats with bullet proof vest on. I guess you have to have something that will go through it.

www.downrange.tv...

NSSF encourages all firearms owners, hunters and sportsmen to immediately call their U.S. Senators and urge them to vote YES on a critically important procedural motion that will allow the Senate to take up the Sportsmen’s Act(S.3525) after the November election.
The bipartisan Sportsmen’s Act is the most important single piece of pro-sportsmen legislation in a generation. This historic legislation includes the firearms industry’s top legislative priority, the Hunting, Fishing and Recreational Shooting Protection Act (S.838), which would clarify that ammunition is excluded from regulation by the Environmental Protection Agency under the Toxic Substances Control Act.

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by TKDRL

 

How about FSSA which is located two miles from the school where the shootings happened was pushing to legalize all ammunition. And that was to include armor piercing rounds and depleted uranium. Does that sound like a good idea? You know how those armadillos are just rats with bullet proof vest on. I guess you have to have something that will go through it.

www.downrange.tv...

NSSF encourages all firearms owners, hunters and sportsmen to immediately call their U.S. Senators and urge them to vote YES on a critically important procedural motion that will allow the Senate to take up the Sportsmen’s Act(S.3525) after the November election.
The bipartisan Sportsmen’s Act is the most important single piece of pro-sportsmen legislation in a generation. This historic legislation includes the firearms industry’s top legislative priority, the Hunting, Fishing and Recreational Shooting Protection Act (S.838), which would clarify that ammunition is excluded from regulation by the Environmental Protection Agency under the Toxic Substances Control Act.

edit on 23-12-2012 by JBA2848 because: (no reason given)

Stuff like this is my point guys!

What does anything you just wrote in your last two posts have to do with my OP? Huh???
And to show the lack of knowledge where guns are concerned, armadillo shells can be penetrated with a .22 short!

Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”
Sarah Brady quote

The government does'nt really care what they have to do to make this reality. In the end it is not about guns. It is about destroying the Constitution and the two party system. The two parties are just too far apart and the Liberals are unwilling to compromise the slightest bit because they want Socialism.

reply to post by GoOfYFoOt


And my point is you have to have some regulations. I say let people have guns. And I also think regulations of what kind are important. And I would hope people like your self take a good look and find limits to propose that will make people happy. And I would say giving up large drums and 30 round magazines would be a good start. But I also think limiting the number of magazines a person can have for one gun is also a good point. I say let you keep the pistol grips on a rifle. Now that used to be in the ban and it stopped any rifle you did not have to hold to your shoulder from being sold.

I think guns owners need to really come forward with a real plan to stop mass killings in order to avoid having weapons go back to the Daniel Boone days with rifles and muskets. Be honest and limit some of the mass killing options from your assault weapons. Or lose them all together. And give up on the idea of armor piercing rounds and depleted uranium.

Originally posted by jimmiec

Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”
Sarah Brady quote

The government does'nt really care what they have to do to make this reality. In the end it is not about guns. It is about destroying the Constitution and the two party system. The two parties are just too far apart and the Liberals are unwilling to compromise the slightest bit because they want Socialism.

Well, I'd love to see a link to her quote, but since she is effectively a nobody when it comes to control over legislation, I'm not too concerned. She sure doesn't pull any punches though, does she?

reply to post by jimmiec


And the gun advocates are attacking the 1st amendment to defend their 2nd one. They want to stop the press from reporting mass murders and prevent any one from saying guns or what kind of gun was used. It is bad for their business so they want take away the 1st amendment. Does that make you mad?

But attacking the 1st amendment also plays to the right on what can be done so a Romney can't be beat next time. Can't have all those fact checkers running around so just get rid of the 1st amendment.

reply to post by JBA2848


Why is it that we have to come up with all the solutions? There are millions of gun owners out there that do not kill people. We have nothing at all to do with the tiny minority that does. Do you call on all the kitchen knife owners to come up with a solution when there is stabbings? Do you call on all car owners to come up with a solution everytime a lunatic runs someone over? How are we supposed to solve a problem we don't even understand? I have over 20 guns now, I don't pull them out and go slaughter people everytime I have a bad week, I cannot even comprehend what goes through these people's heads, anymore than you could understand another driver that runs someone down...

reply to post by TKDRL


I remember the old lady that ran over all the people at the farmers market. They passed laws that made the elderly take test and when you reach a certain age you must go into the driver licence place to be checked in person. No more mail it in and get a driver licence when you reach a certain age.

And knifes are not able to do mass killings the same way a rifle or gun is. A person does have some chance to defend and a person does have the ability to be stopped.And knifes do have regulations on them. Not allowed to have a switch blade. A folding knife can't have a blade more than six inches long. And knifie with a blade longer than six inches must be a none folding knife and be carried on the side.

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by GoOfYFoOt

 

And my point is you have to have some regulations. I say let people have guns. And I also think regulations of what kind are important. And I would hope people like your self take a good look and find limits to propose that will make people happy. And I would say giving up large drums and 30 round magazines would be a good start. But I also think limiting the number of magazines a person can have for one gun is also a good point. I say let you keep the pistol grips on a rifle. Now that used to be in the ban and it stopped any rifle you did not have to hold to your shoulder from being sold.

I think guns owners need to really come forward with a real plan to stop mass killings in order to avoid having weapons go back to the Daniel Boone days with rifles and muskets. Be honest and limit some of the mass killing options from your assault weapons. Or lose them all together. And give up on the idea of armor piercing rounds and depleted uranium.

Again...Nothing to do with the OP!

This thread IS NOT a debate about gun ownership!!!!!!
It is about discussing why people like you, who want to inflict their notions and desires onto a law-abiding populace, when the people like you, have no friggin' idea what they are even talking about!

Here is a perfect example that DOES tie in with my OP...
"armor piercing rounds"...ooooOOOOooooh! Sounds SO ominous! They must be dangerous! Why on earth would anyone need them?
Please, tell me! What makes a bullet capable of piercing armor? Is it speed? Is it mass? Is it construction or the material of the bullet? How about sectional density?
Did you know that you can walk into a Wal-Mart, RIGHT NOW, in the US and buy rifle AND handgun ammunition that will penetrate a bullet proof vest? Did you???
Where is the outrage? Where are the protests? How could this have happened right under our noses?

It's called K.N.O.W.L.E.D.G.E....get some...Please?

reply to post by GoOfYFoOt


And those rounds are fired from a damn elephant gun.
Not from a pistol you can hide in your pocket.

I have had lots of discussions on guns living in the next town over from newtown. I was in sandy hook on business friday

all of my discussions have been serious and level headed and fair. most people seem to agree new laws won't change anyhting, but we need smart gun owners to put their guns in a gun safe and maybe we should add family members mental health history on the application to buy a new gun

if you are being called those names, it's beacuse you are baiting them into an argument or you are just a BS artist

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by GoOfYFoOt

 

And those rounds are fired from a damn elephant gun.

Not from a pistol you can hide in your pocket.

Wow...Please...Just this once. Look up a little itty bitty cartridge called the 5.7x28. And then look up the Fabrique Nationale or FN 57. It's a pistol. It's small, as are it's "bullets"...It easily penetrates body armor.

It's simple physics. Not the boogyman's evil plan in action!

owning guns is an antiquated unnecessary way in this day and age and does no good for anyone

This is absolutely correct. It seems like the gun people are mainly backwards barbarians who don't want to learn to do anything productive with their time and money.

reply to post by syrinx high priest


You could do a forced insurance policy on gun owners. You must have a policy that will cover anybody who might be shot by your gun. Policy will require you to take a test every so many years. If you have bad eye sight to bad you can't use your gun anymore. All the family members in your house have to be covered on your fire arm no matter how old they are and must be cleared for you to have a firearm.

Just think about what the government can force upon you if you do not step forward with a open discussion. You can't play the game the NRA did last year now.

www.theblaze.com...

“Why should I or the NRA go sit down with a group of people that have spent a lifetime trying to destroy the Second Amendment in the United States?” LaPierre rhetorically asked during an interview with the Times Monday. “It shouldn’t be a dialogue about guns; it really should be a dialogue about dangerous people.”

Well this shooting happened in the heart of the assault weapons hub of sales. Hell Cerberus is tied to this town. The NSSF - National Shooting Sports Foundation and all the TV shows they have are tied to this town. And this is the second mass shooting with guns from the same store in this town. There was eight people killed at a beer distribution center by a shooter.

And NSSF answer to the Virginia Tech shooting and taking guns out of the schools? The NSSF started a funding program for students to create gun clubs in the schools for shooting.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
I have had lots of discussions on guns living in the next town over from newtown. I was in sandy hook on business friday

all of my discussions have been serious and level headed and fair. most people seem to agree new laws won't change anyhting, but we need smart gun owners to put their guns in a gun safe and maybe we should add family members mental health history on the application to buy a new gun

if you are being called those names, it's beacuse you are baiting them into an argument or you are just a BS artist

At least you are making an attempt to post something relevant.
No. On the contrary. Many of those who were slandering us, were not provoked. They just see what they want to see. And believe what they have been told, by the ones that took away their guns...

I, too, have been in many a rational discussion as of late. I am also a Moderator on a large gun site. We have been over and over everything that has been offered to this point, and will continue to do so, until we can find some logic to forward to the proper channels.

To comment on your concerns, I would like to explain a few general things, that perhaps you didn't know about a vast majority of gun owners.
FACT: Every gun owner that I know, and I would conservatively put that number in the thousands, keeps their weapons locked away as securely, as they can afford to! Think about that for a moment. A basic 12 gun lockbox from your favorite big box store, will run you about $100. But to house those same 12 guns, in something that is much more secure, and even will protect those guns from a burning home for several hours, can cost you 4, 5, even 6 thousand dollars or more!
Gun owners that I know, aren't interested in supplying the local felons with free weapons at their expense. They go to every length to protect their hobby and their investments. And, in some cases, even their livelyhood!

Let alone the fact, that it is illegal in most states to leave a firearm unattended, and/or in the reach or easy access of minor children.

Studies PROVE that most illegal guns come from illegal places!!!

Now to your second contention...

I agree that something needs to be done, to curb the violence NATIONWIDE! But telling a law-abiding citizen that he can't purchase a gun, because crazy uncle Joe went off his meds one time and streaked through the laundromat, during rush hour, seems a little ridiculous, doesn't it?!!!

Most likely, it WILL be gun owners who discover a solution. Not because we are at fault. But because we are simply tired of being the scapegoat, and absolutely sick of being viewed by an uneducated public, with total disrepect and utter disdain. And, I hope that we have forgiven you, if ever a time arises, when our guns are truly needed!

reply to post by JBA2848


So more government enforced corperatism is the answer? Wow, whatever company gets the bid for that will clean up bigtime. Getting money for every gun, and rarely having to make a payout. I somehow don't expect criminals to go dish out for insurance on their illegal guns. At least there was a suggestion made that attempts to be logical though. Kudos for you

Originally posted by CB328

owning guns is an antiquated unnecessary way in this day and age and does no good for anyone

This is absolutely correct. It seems like the gun people are mainly backwards barbarians who don't want to learn to do anything productive with their time and money.

Thank you for your post. I will say one thing....You are positively "nega" alright...