My First Post ( The Mayans Were Right)

Hi like many I checked ATS every day and read the post for many year and just signed up about a month ago, so hello all.

The Mayans were right, The Mayans said that at the end of the calendar there would be great change and it was all about change as we enter a new era.

Your long post stops having any relevance to your topic or the Mayans at this point, and then it goes to rambling about the governments and such.

You know, no one can be lawfully governed without their consent. People have given their consent - it's the people's fault that they let themselves be duped this way. They were not vigilant, they were not alert, and they let their servant (the government) become their master without questioning it at any phase of the process.

People couldn't have made it much easier for the megalomaniac oligarchs that want to control everything completely.

But this post was supposed to be about Mayans, and how they were right - and not a rant about the governments and all that jazz.

You are right in your main point, of course - and the lack of proper formatting of your text doesn't bother me as much as the 'american typos' that people usually flood into ATS (even letting them find their way into topics). I'd like to correct each and every one of them, but that would be a job that would probably require about 100 years of 16 hour workdays to do - by which time, there would be more of them..

But if you are going to talk about the Mayans, TALK ABOUT THE MAYANS.

As it stands now, you are EXPLOITING the Mayans to promote your own agenda and perceptions about something completely irrelevant to Mayans (except the small reference to 'things changing').

If you want to write a post like this, don't involve the Mayans, and post it to the proper area. That is my suggestion. So, for a first post, you are starting off quite badly. Your point may be right, but the way you go about it is deceitful and sneaky, not to mention exploitative (although I actually did mention it) ..

No one who reads the title of your post and gets curious about what insights you might have about the Mayans, will definitely not think this post will be mostly about the government and current world affairs!

Don't exploit the Mayans to drive your agenda - however good it may be.

Originally posted by pavmas
Americans enslaved Africans, they worked in the field all day and then came to their hut at night, the woman cooked the meal and the man sat on the porch smoking his pipe he did not own his property and found a few ways to save money even if only $60 over 20 years, times were brutal and if the slave did not obey the rules set by the master then he was beaten.

a man and woman work all day when they get home the wife makes the meal in the Uk the man cant afford to smoke and he does not own his house, times are brutal if you protest against our masters rules then you are beaten ( look at the number of youtube videos, but the difference is in the old slave days you had one master now we have many and you will be tazed of pepper sprayed for not following an order from your master in uniform kind of like an overseer.

You paint a pretty quaint picture of slavery in America.
You left out the legal lynching, rapes, separation of families, disfigurements, no access to proper education, no rights to vote, categorized by law as less than a human, and other various abuses.

Are you sure you are living the exact same lifestyle as an African slave in the 1700's?

I sincerely doubt it.
We have way more freedoms.

I do however agree with your point that we as a whole are nothing more than slaves to a system that keep a select few powerful and the rest of us poor, indebted, and very ignorant.

- Lee

Calendar doesn't 'end' til 11:11am GMT so obviously they wasn't if the 'great change' has already happened.

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Why do you think it is God who should stop this madness? We have caused it, and we should put an end to it.

If you are a father you know pretty well that you will love your creation no matter what, you will not judge it and can only love it unconditionally. It is quite the same thing, God's love is unconditional, he will love us even if we decide to kill each other in the end.

You know, I can't spell apocalips, but it's ok, it's not the end of the world! There are loads of jokes about the 'end of the world' flying around like there's no tomorrow!

Originally posted by pavmas I dont mind building for people like nurses, sewer workers, mechanics , shop assistants etc because they supply me with a service but I object to building for people who create money out of thin air and produce nothing of benefit for society such as MPs bankers, Lords. ...

Amen, brother. Well, lets at least not reward people for destroying (our world) and give them all the "riches". Unfortunately, they have the big guns, control the media, and make the rules. As long as too many people remain ignorant, they will remain. If people understood what was happening, they wouldn't take this sh*t. ..And they couldn't hold everyone back, even without guns. Just look at the mass of people..

Unfortunately, they turned - keeping people in ignorance - into an art. Only the spread of real understanding (whatever that is) will bring some sort of fairness and well-being to our world.

This is so depressing. I think there is three choices for a human being, to keep living a slave life and pretend that its not so bad, second choice is to kill yourself (after reading this post doesnt seem like a bad idea), and the third choice is to escape modern society and try to survive in the woods or something like that.

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Money!! i would be a lot happier if I was rich believe me! wouldn't have to worry about a thing!

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excellent thread
I always remember this quote, to get me by-

"Don't believe them, don't fear them, don't ask anything of them." ~ Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Great stuff, that got them going. Well done! Congratulations on your 1st post. A terrifying prospect for anyone!

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This was my thought the other day...kind of mad at myself for not posting it myself! But yes, what if the mayans were right all along? We are entering a new age, and I think gun control, bigger government, less rights, and ultimately the NWO is this new age we are heading into...It's not going to be a pretty decade, that's for sure

What a poor way for all the doomsday prophets to try and defend themselves

So, what's the excuse(s) for the world NOT ending????


Calendar ended at 11:11 GMT which was 8 minutes ago.

Originally posted by lee anoma

Originally posted by pavmas
Americans enslaved Africans, they worked in the field all day and then came to their hut at night, the woman cooked the meal and the man sat on the porch smoking his pipe he did not own his property and found a few ways to save money even if only $60 over 20 years, times were brutal and if the slave did not obey the rules set by the master then he was beaten.

a man and woman work all day when they get home the wife makes the meal in the Uk the man cant afford to smoke and he does not own his house, times are brutal if you protest against our masters rules then you are beaten ( look at the number of youtube videos, but the difference is in the old slave days you had one master now we have many and you will be tazed of pepper sprayed for not following an order from your master in uniform kind of like an overseer.

You paint a pretty quaint picture of slavery in America.

Well let me put it this way; Slaves were the property of their master and were well fed and yes it was brutal but Irish slave were treated worse than black slave when sent to the West Indies, Quaint no but these slaves are all dead now and I have great pity for their sorrow and suffering but Im more concerned now with my slavery and the slavery of my grand children.
You left out the legal lynching, rapes, separation of families, disfigurements, no access to proper education, no rights to vote, categorized by law as less than a human, and other various abuses.

Are you sure you are living the exact same lifestyle as an African slave in the 1700's?

I sincerely doubt it.
We have way more freedoms.

I do however agree with your point that we as a whole are nothing more than slaves to a system that keep a select few powerful and the rest of us poor, indebted, and very ignorant.

- Lee

edit on 21-12-2012 by lee anoma because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by Shoujikina

Your long post stops having any relevance to your topic or the Mayans at this point, and then it goes to rambling about the governments and such.

People couldn't have made it much easier for the megalomaniac oligarchs

You are right in your main point, of course - and the lack of proper formatting of your text doesn't bother me as much as the 'american typos' that people usually flood into ATS (even letting them find their way into topics). I'd like to correct each and every one of them.

But if you are going to talk about the Mayans, TALK ABOUT THE MAYANS.

As it stands now, you are EXPLOITING the Mayans to promote your own agenda and perceptions about something completely irrelevant to Mayans (except the small reference to 'things changing').

Don't exploit the Mayans to drive your agenda - however good it may be.

Sometimes I think people write something just to write something.

Are you honestly saying that having read this guys soul, while agreeing with his general point, the only rhing inspired in you was the desire discuss formatting and improper use of the word Mayan. (The second of which is speculative as the OP can argue he feels the Mayans were right, while our belief it was of it being one short shock on Dec 21st 2012 was our best guess interpretation. The OP has simply detailed the changes he believes are symptoms of the grander shift the world has gone through. in the midst of it he bemoaned the bastards who are running this nightmare, and quite right too)

Do people seriously get annoyed by formatting? And thread titles that unintentionally mislead? Isn't forgiving imperfection and moving on the wiser decision?

Besides, the OP has obviously written this from a very awake state of mind and waking up completely isn't easy as what we see is both terrifying and wholly depressing. I know exactly how the OP feels as I fully woke up maybe a few months after September 11th 2001. I first stirred on the iconic day itself and found myself pondering my own mortality while a foreign awareness washed over me explaining that our world was screwed, absolutely and completely screwed. I began the waking process by making sure to retain my sense of objectivity as the 9/11 horrors continued to unfold on the TV. As the picture of one of the towers falling looped again the newsreader spoke over with information that Bin Laden, a guy they had been demonising all day, had gone on TV somewhere and taken responsibility for the attacks. It was now evening on 9/11 and it struck me as really odd that only didteen minutes or so after the second tower was hit the news had started talking suspects, one guy in particular spoke of Bin Laden as if everyone should know him and also as if he ha already been found to be guilty. Now just hours later he had owned responsibility, it was him after all, how surreal. Turning to my mother I half jokingly said, "This is bizarre. I cannot get my head round this Bin Laden, why do all this just stand up and tell the entire world. For me he has just signed his own death sentence. He can never go anywhere public again and he will be looking over his shoulder for ever. The whole hing is unbelievable. And, you know what else? If it wasn't so serious I could argue that these newscasters are all reading their part in a movie". Stone faced my mother didn't flinch but it made no difference, if she couldn't even look at me something was very wrong. Oh God, she agrees with mw i eemwbwr hoq panicked I was because I had been joking really and expected her to tell me to atop being rediciloud but ahe hadnt, she agreed. For an uncomfortable long while the biggest secret has been told even though she never agreed or denied with what I said, she didn't need to and dread filled my mind.

Over the years we have spoken sparingly about the world but with no depth, poor woman won't allow herself to talk about all that with me. She never fully explained why she couldnt look that day but I have heard enough from other members of the family that she had felt powerless to keep me from pain and suffering for the first time in my life.

The relationship I had with my mother was one of best friends as well as parent to son but after that day something seemed different. I felt it had sorted itself out during the last year i lived at home but when an opportunity to move to Australia came along I couldn't pass it up and now, five years later, I still never found my friend again. I have my mother and that's awesome but a part of her died the day she realised she couldn't prevent the worlds crap falling on me. I have since become a father myself and I guess that day the innocence of it all died and I imagine that will be the hardest thing I will go through, suddenly realising my daughter is about to live and die by her own decisions and I cannot help her and she doesn't know it but going left or right won't change the fact that the world is fixing to cheap her up and spit her out just like everyone else who came before. Yeah, this world of ours has been raped and pillaged by the rulers of the rulers, there is nothing innocent left except for how we feel about each other, that can be as innocent as we want, one of the only real choices we have left. Not far to go now.

Ok so my point is that there is no chance the OP did anything to further an agenda. You can tell from his words that he is angry but most of all he feels sad and helpless about how things are. There is not a chance that the person who wrote this thread wrote the title for any other reason than at the time of writing it was the best way to explain himself. Besides for all you know he is right and this is exactly what the Mayans were referring to.

To the OP, not that you will ever get this far I am sure, (I would be ready to throw the whole Internet out the window if I had gotten everything out finally and the best people could do was question the formatting. Some people have no right to complain I tell you. Talk about having priorities straight. We are all slaves but first, always remember I before E except after Z).

Anyway, I know how you feel but I'm afraid I have no further comfort. Truth is the happier people are actually those who refuse all of this. My advice to you is to live your life and think about this as little possible. That is not to say you should forget about it. as they say "once you are here, you are here to stay." Be happy that you are awake and one person closer to change. Unfortunately most people don't want anything to do with this reality. know that now so you dont fall into the trap of thinking tou can wake up those who are happy asleep. Even your dearly beloved will fight you before facing reality if they are not ready so pushing it on them is like putting a noose aroun your neck, pointless and will always end badly. This makes everyone angry at first, then depressed, and then hopeless, just be aware of your progression. It's normal. Sometimes it takes getting to the hopeless stage before realising that you are contributing to your own misery and you need to let it go, one person cannot bear the burden alone. Criminas like Icke and Alex Jones have a lot to answer for because as they take our money they put guilt back onto us saying "The time for change is now, make your stand". It's bull#. Remember, people are waking faster than ever. And soon, with most woken, our rage at its loudest, we're taking our planet back

Most people are stuck on the slavery part of my post, the idea was to show that we live no better now than then.

and then i was accused of heading the post about the mayans or maya as someone pointed out.

I stated that the mayans said change not the end of the world and pointed out the changes in the last 20 years so there was no misleading.

I noticed over 30 years ago that things were changing, in the 70s no one cared if a person was gay and then came gay rights, now gays have all the rights they want but there is more hate of gays is everywhere, in the 70s everyone felt sorry for the jews and there suffering but it was hardly talked about and is talked about all the time i hear about the nazis and the holocaust at least twice a year now and everyone seems to hates the jews.

All I know is the world is not the same place it was 30 years ago' Governments are uncaring and people follow their lead, In the UK Government and media are calling disabled people shirkers layabouts fakers scroungers and the attacks on disabled people are through the roof, a person in a wheelchair had his chair kicked over and the people in the pub says walk your faking it.

A new craze because single mothers were attacked in the press as only having children in benefits; was to go along the road and tip pushchairs over with the baby in it.

Im not ranting Im trying to point out that things really have changed and anything Im told now I just believe its lies.

If the Government turn on you then so do the people and sometimes I thing no wonder they see them as useless eaters.

For years i watch the news and will tell my son what laws are coming down the pipeline' they plant the idea and a week or a month they come out with new policy, they plant the idea for you to get used and then BANG new law,

For all those that think they are free here is something for you to try, 2am go out and sit on a bench and wait to see how long it takes for a cop car to turn up, If you do not act and behave like the 99% you draw attention.

another example: constantly we hear about child obesity and sitting at computer is to blame lack of exercise etc, always run along with this is another story about anti social behaviour ( usually follows 2 stories after they tell you about some bear cub born in a German Zoo.)

What they want you to think is that they care about children's health when they have just ran a peice about anti social kids, so the result is people phone the cops if they see a kid climbing a tree, thats right when I was a kid I used to climb trees here in the uk now they phone the police, a kid plays football they phone the police, they force kids to sit at their computers and then act concerned, same with the olympics it was about getting kids fit, in the month after the games the Tories sold of more school playing fields than any other time.

Give your kid a ball and tell him to go out and play and you will either get the police at your door or social services for neglect for allowing a child out unsupervised.

I could go on and on but I will start new threads for individual points in future.

Originally posted by Shuye
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Why do you think it is God who should stop this madness? We have caused it, and we should put an end to it.

If you are a father you know pretty well that you will love your creation no matter what, you will not judge it and can only love it unconditionally. It is quite the same thing, God's love is unconditional, he will love us even if we decide to kill each other in the end.

Well I don't put to much stock into trusting God as II think he is selfish.

Imagine if there was 20 two year old kids in a boat and it was sinking and I could save them all but just lifted my own 2 year old son out of the boat would you say Im a loving person' NO.

Well thats exactly what this loving god did when Herod gave the order to kill all the kids under 2 year old,
he sent an angel to Joseph and Mary telling them to get Jesus to safety, So stuff the other 2 year olds and save your own.

If anyone could have stopped it he was the man god or whatever, this taught me something important.

God Aliens or the tooth fairy are not going to save us we need to save ourselves, we are letting our rights be taken on the chance we will be rescued, we are totally deluded we only have each other and this world can be what we decide if we really want.

Hey! I just loosely interpreted a wank prophecy to suit current world events through a biased prism and thus I want to be S&F'd up my pooper!

GO!!

This is my first reply to any post and the OP has made some very good points. Well done! Lets hope that things start to change for the better

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Your post would have been so much better had you structured it better mate, don't get why you put the effort in to then not be bothered with paragraphs etc.