Testimony: The Holiness Required For Heaven

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The Lord showed her on the screen all the opportunities she had while on earth to surrender her life to Him but she refused.

There are indeed screens used for communication and gathering information, but it is not like a TV or computer. The streets are named above, not in gold of course, there is a transportation system, and ones above actually eat, but it must be grown, not killed.

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No red herrings. Again, what verse says addiction is a sin?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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No red herrings. Again, what verse says addiction is a sin?

Did Jesus come to set us free?

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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No red herrings. Again, what verse says addiction is a sin?

Did Jesus come to set us free?

Yes, free from sin. But you have yet to show that the scripture says smoking or addiction is a sin.

So do that, provide scriptural support for your statement that smoking or addiction is a sin and refrain from red herrings, last time I will say that.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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No red herrings. Again, what verse says addiction is a sin?

Did Jesus come to set us free?

Yes, free from sin. But you have yet to show that the scripture says smoking or addiction is a sin.

So do that, provide scriptural support for your statement that smoking or addiction is a sin and refrain from red herrings, last time I will say that.

How is addiction the same as freedom?

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Last time I tell you to stop with the red herring fallacy. Provide support for your claim. You said smoking/addiction is a sin. Provide some verses that state that. You made the claim, so you support it.

So what verse says addiction or smoking is a sin? Or are you elevating tradition and the doctrine of man on par to the commands of God?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Last time I tell you to stop with the red herring fallacy. Provide support for your claim. You said smoking/addiction is a sin. Provide some verses that state that. You made the claim, so you support it.

So what verse says addiction or smoking is a sin? Or are you elevating tradition and the doctrine of man on par to the commands of God?

Show us where Christ preached bondage.

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Christ taught freedom from the bondage to sin. You said smoking and addiction are sin. The Bible doesn't say that. Nowhere does the word of God make that statement.

So is it safe to assume you made that up since you refuse to provide Biblical support for your claims?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Christ taught freedom from the bondage to sin. You said smoking and addiction are sin. The Bible doesn't say that. Nowhere does the word of God make that statement.

So is it safe to assume you made that up since you refuse to provide Biblical support for your claims?

Why teach bondage if Christ preached freedom? Your message does not line up with Christ's.

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I'm not "teaching bondage", I've not once said it was a good or healthy habit to have. I've said that the Bible is silent on the matter, therefore so am I.

What verse? What verse says it's a "sin" which you claimed to be true? Be a man and admit you made that up.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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I'm not "teaching bondage", I've not once said it was a good or healthy habit to have. I've said that the Bible is silent on the matter, therefore so am I.

What verse? What verse says it's a "sin" which you claimed to be true? Be a man and admit you made that up.

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You are teaching that it is ok to remain in bondage to cigarettes.

I have made nothing up. What I teach is based on Scripture and confirmed by the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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I'm not "teaching bondage", I've not once said it was a good or healthy habit to have. I've said that the Bible is silent on the matter, therefore so am I.

What verse? What verse says it's a "sin" which you claimed to be true? Be a man and admit you made that up.

edit on 21-12-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

You are teaching that it is ok to remain in bondage to cigarettes.

I have made nothing up. What I teach is based on Scripture and confirmed by the Holy Spirit.

That's a straw man, I have said no such thing. There are a multitude of reasons to quit smoking. What I did in fact say is it's not a sin, and the Bible doesn't mention addiction or smoking.

Addiction is a disease. And if your teaching is based on "Scripture" it should be simple for you to provide said Scripture references stating that smoking or addictions are a sin. After numerous attempts to get you to provide that you have not, I know why that is, you made it up, there are no scripture references stating what you affirmed to be true.

Now have some self-respect and integrity and admit you made it up, that you're trying to pass off your church teachings and philosophy as commands from the Lord. I find it quite troubling that every time I cross paths with you on this site I'm having to call you out for dishonesty.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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I'm not "teaching bondage", I've not once said it was a good or healthy habit to have. I've said that the Bible is silent on the matter, therefore so am I.

What verse? What verse says it's a "sin" which you claimed to be true? Be a man and admit you made that up.

edit on 21-12-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

You are teaching that it is ok to remain in bondage to cigarettes.

I have made nothing up. What I teach is based on Scripture and confirmed by the Holy Spirit.

That's a straw man, I have said no such thing. There are a multitude of reasons to quit smoking. What I did in fact say is it's not a sin, and the Bible doesn't mention addiction or smoking.

Addiction is a disease. And if your teaching is based on "Scripture" it should be simple for you to provide said Scripture references stating that smoking or addictions are a sin. After numerous attempts to get you to provide that you have not, I know why that is, you made it up, there are no scripture references stating what you affirmed to be true.

Now have some self-respect and integrity and admit you made it up, that you're trying to pass off your church teachings and philosophy as commands from the Lord. I find it quite troubling that every time I cross paths with you on this site I'm having to call you out for dishonesty.

edit on 21-12-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

I have not made anything up, nor have I ever been dishonest with you. Stop lying. Lying is a sin too.

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Is your memory that terrible? You said addiction is a sin and have refused to show a Bible verse to back up that claim after being given numerous opportunities to in fact do so. Then you just claimed you arrived at that statement "from scripture".

What verse?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Is your memory that terrible? You said addiction is a sin and have refused to show a Bible verse to back up that claim after being given numerous opportunities to in fact do so. Then you just claimed you arrived at that statement "from scripture".

What verse?

I did not say there was a single verse that says what you are looking for. What I did say is based on Scripture and the teaching of the Holy Spirit, smoking is a sin.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Is your memory that terrible? You said addiction is a sin and have refused to show a Bible verse to back up that claim after being given numerous opportunities to in fact do so. Then you just claimed you arrived at that statement "from scripture".

What verse?

I did not say there was a single verse that says what you are looking for. What I did say is based on Scripture and the teaching of the Holy Spirit, smoking is a sin.

And I'm still waiting for this scripture you speak of but fail to provide.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Is your memory that terrible? You said addiction is a sin and have refused to show a Bible verse to back up that claim after being given numerous opportunities to in fact do so. Then you just claimed you arrived at that statement "from scripture".

What verse?

I did not say there was a single verse that says what you are looking for. What I did say is based on Scripture and the teaching of the Holy Spirit, smoking is a sin.

And I'm still waiting for this scripture you speak of but fail to provide.

Being in bondage/addiction to anything is against the message of Christ.

Galatians 5:1-2 (KJV)
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

You are taking the fact that smoking did not exist in the days that the New Testament was written and saying that because it is not directly mentioned, it is ok to do. Issues such as smoking that have come along since can be sinful. Therefore we need to decide based upon Scripture and the teaching of the Holy Spirit.

The early Church had to do the same when it came to law keeping.

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The "bondage" and "yoke" spoken of is the bondage to sin, the yoke of sin which no one is arguing about. What you're doing is arbitrarily making smoking a sin which the text never says.

And I would check your history sir, humans had been smoking for thousands of years before that verse was written by Paul. You cannot invent your own context for verses, that's a massive hermeneutics fail. A Christian should practice sound exegetical studies, not read into the text words, concepts, and philosophies the text doesn't proclaim.

There are no verses that mention smoking, nor is there a single verse that says addiction is a sin, which is what you stated. That was false.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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The "bondage" and "yoke" spoken of is the bondage to sin, the yoke of sin which no one is arguing about. What you're doing is arbitrarily making smoking a sin which the text never says.

Being in bondage to anything not holy is bondage to sin.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

And I would check your history sir, humans had been smoking for thousands of years before that verse was written by Paul.

Yes, but with different purposes than cigarettes are for.

The history of smoking can be dated to as early as 5000 BC, and has been recorded in many different cultures across the world. Early smoking evolved in association with religious ceremonies; as offerings to deities, in cleansing rituals or to allow shamans and priests to alter their minds for purposes of divination or spiritual enlightenment.

Source: Smoking

That kind of smoking would be covered under not worshiping other gods and not using mind altering substances. We are speaking of smoking cigarettes.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

You cannot invent your own context for verses, that's a massive hermeneutics fail. A Christian should practice sound exegetical studies, not read into the text words, concepts, and philosophies the text doesn't proclaim.

It is hypocritical to try to teach hermeneutics when you fail to use it when bringing in your trinity philosophy into the text.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

There are no verses that mention smoking, nor is there a single verse that says addiction is a sin, which is what you stated. That was false.

Again you lie. I did not say anything about a single verse.

When the day comes that no man shall be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast. Will the smoker choose the mark in order to get the cigarettes he is addicted to or will he stop cold turkey? Think about it.

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You're just a troll, reading what he wants into the text what the text doesn't say. And, again, I won't address red herring arguments, if you want to debate the doctrine of the Trinity pull up one of those threads and post in it. The text you posted talks about bondage to sin. There is nothing in the Bible that says if wither smoking or addiction is a sin.

Let me as you a question Pharisee, if a person drinks a cup of wine are they sinning? And re-read that last part sparky, I didn't say you claimed there was a "single verse", I said that you claimed 'addiction is a sin'. It was my point that there is not a single verse in scripture that agrees with what you said... unless of course you take a verse totally out of context.