PROOF the Bushmaster WAS in the TRUNK of Lanza's car!!!

Originally posted by 00nunya00

Originally posted by nottelling

Originally posted by sputniksteve
reply to post by nottelling

 

1 second in you get a side view of the magazine, and 3 seconds in you see him eject the mag lay it down. Then he ejects what appears to be a shot shell.

Saiga 12 gauge no doubt, regardless of rude boy says.

Thanks. I see it now. The cop is clearing it like an AK, so definitely a Saiga.

Or, he's clearing it like the side-modified Bushmaster that is SOLD with this alternative action configuration. You know, like the kind of gun we can verify that she had.

There is not that much play in an AR, regardless if it has a side charger. The officers hand moves way too far along the length of the gun. The reason for this, a larger shotgun shell being ejected.

The following is a pic of the shell hitting the floor of the car trunk, actually standing upright for a split second...



Now you can see the shell lying down. There is no way a brass 223 would look that big from there, or even possibly be visible at all.

Originally posted by 00nunya00
Here's your big daddy .223 casings, look like they'd shine a whole lotta light off their spinning sides.

About the size of a shotgun shell.

So... "About the same size" is equal to... Half the size?



That's cool. I run "about the same" speed as my car in second gear. Damn I'm fast...

Shotgun + thumbhole stock + magazine = gun in trunk of Lanza's car
here's another pic with some slightly different furniture on board, forward broom stick and “banana clip“

Originally posted by GeisterFahrer

Originally posted by 00nunya00

Originally posted by GeisterFahrer
ATI Fiberforce Dragunov stock.

It was a Bushmaster .223

any questions?

I really need you to link this one for me, I can't find that configuration anywhere!

That's just the stock. Care to find one on a Bushmaster .223?

You won't.

I can't find any thumbhole stocks for an AR that aren't solid behind the grip.

Thanks for posting that video, that guy was weird to say the least! On one hand he wouldn’t give direct answers to something that you would think to him were obvious and easy answers to give but on the other things like ‘were the shooters injuries self-inflicted?’ he’s happy to say he doesn’t know but you can all assume that they were even though he hasn’t examined his or his mothers body yet.

And that’s another point, give a press conference before you have examined those two all-important bodies to avoid awkward questions on them, like the one posed at the start when one journalist asks about the weapon used and he’s told it was the ‘long weapon’ (I think they were still trying to get the AR story straight so won’t commit to saying that just yet), then the reporter asks ‘but the long rifle was found in the car?’, what do we see next? a cut away from the conference to a picture of an AR, classic case of we can’t say but here is a picture for you at home to assume it was one of these because even though nobody has said ‘5.56 caliber AR type rifle’, here’s a picture of one anyway!

When that picture is flashed up in conveniently prevents us from seeing who replied to the ‘but the long rifle was found in the car wasn’t it?’ and what to me sounds like a different voice immediately says ‘that’s not correct sir’
The guy looks uneasy when answering what should be straight forward questions, he says there is no ongoing murder investigation but he still uses ‘if I was answering that question in court they would tell me to shut up or I couldn’t answer that’ (words to that effect) but he still uses that as a reason not to give straight and direct answers when asked right there.

He says he hasn’t examined all the bodies (just 7) but he can say that the only weapon used was the ‘long rifle’, so the shooter used that to kill himself? Even though he won’t say what caliber the rounds were used despite his ‘knowing more about fire arms than most pathologists’ he won’t answer that question because of the ‘they usually yell at me in court’ excuse so he will let the police deal with that.

That whole thing reeks! I have noticed in stories like these where there is a cover up taking place that the only truth you get from the MSM is early on in the reporting and sometimes given by mistake before they are spoon fed the official line. Those early mistakes will then be put down as media scrambling for the best/first coverage but none the less bits of truth can slip out, you just have to spot them.

My take on it I the whole thing is this. The mall shooter a few days previously screwed up, weapon jam and confronted by a concealed carry member of the public he withdrew and shot himself with an insufficiently high enough body count for the required media impact. Move on to the next 'AR' staged event.

I think the weapon in the car was a box mag fed Saiga type semi auto shotgun. It has to be a similar type weapon to an assault rifle so they can later say this is how the mistake was made with the ‘the AR was found in the car’ (which i think it originally was)

This discovery had to be made when a TV helicopter was available over head to conveniently film it, the weapon had to closely resemble an ‘assault rifle’ so everybody can bicker about what it was and that can add weight to the whole ‘sorry we made a mistake about the long rifle in the car and in the school’ that will emerge later.

If this was genuine, there would be little or no confusion by this stage. A lot of casualties, a dead guy in a combat style ammo carrier vest and mask with a gun in his hand and a hole in his head. The weapons used laying in the vicinity and the empty cases to match. No other suspects, no prosecution, no need for careful non incriminating answers just basic obvious hard facts. We see none of that here.

It’s a staged second amendment gun grab. The UK lost all its hand guns immediately after Thomas Hamilton walked into a primary school in Scotland and killed 16 children and 1 adult before he shot himself in the head…..twice!!

www.youtube.com...

Teenagers shooting teenagers and young adults doesn’t have the same effect as the murder of 6-7 year olds, I’m sad to say that this was the catalyst needed to disarm the semi auto gun owners and at the same time demonize ‘preppers’ both in America and the UK

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Read to the end of that report and see the British x army ‘prepper’ mentioned who in the newspaper version they have placed a picture of him above pictures of the Lanzas! also in the same paper on the same day, the security editor writes about the growing threat of an imminent right wing mass shooting attack in the UK

www.telegraph.co.uk...

The whole thing stinks

reply to post by 00nunya00

OP, just so I understand because I have not been following the details of this shooting.

Its your contention that the gunman, Adam Lanza, could not have used the "assault" rifle that the media is hyping because it was always in the trunk of his car, correct?

That he used something else, handguns etc.

reply to post by EViLKoNCEPTz

Originally, I thought that it may be a shotgun as well based mostly on the shell but now Im not so sure.

Why would the officer unload it using a bolt handle instead of the fore-end? This is VERY odd for an experienced shooter. Its almost second nature to unload a shotgun by the fore-end, its natural.

How many shotguns even have a bolt handle?

reply to post by EyesWideShut


I don't think fighting of any kind is clever and I understand that using tools is what made us human. but learning to put some of them down or not use them on each other might move us onto the next stage of evolution. maybe.

Also I don't think you get what I was saying, If no one has guns the chance of you needing one to protect your self against someone who does is decreased.

Plus if you think this way about people do you also think this way about countries? should all countries be allowed nukes because a few have them? when does it stop?

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow

Originally posted by 00nunya00
LOL, well, after 14 pages, we still have people insisting it's a gun that has not been reported, was not registered to Nancy Lanza, and has no explanation for being there, considering it's an assault weapon per CT's standards.

Which is the bigger stretch? The AK being in the trunk, or Lanza having an illegally unregistered assault weapon in her possession that no one seems to want to report on? You be the judge.

Sigh..
The bigger stretch? Without a doubt, 100 percent, the bigger stretch is the AR/AK being in the trunk. It is actually PROBABLE that Nancy had unregistered guns, as most people that own multiple guns do. She could have bought it at a gun show, or traded/bought it from an individual seller from a gun trading facebook page.

There are at least three facebook pages were people are constantly trading guns in my tri state.

The real fact of this thread is that you are way out of your depth on gun knowledge and you aren't thinking with common sense.

You're getting confused about the difference between completing a 4473 to purchase and registering a gun. Any gun purchased from an FFL holder will have the 4473 completed which is to show completion of a background check and also to have a paper trail for that gun's serial number. This does not register the gun in any way. The only information given about what type of gun you purchased at that point is it was either a handgun, long gun or other (receivers). At no time during the purchase is the make, model, caliber or anything else about the firearm given to law enforcement. All of that information is recorded on your paperwork along with the serial number so that if it has a trace from law enforcement they can follow the audit trail.

When you buy from someone that is not an FFL holder (which is perfectly legal) then a 4473 isn't completed and no background check is required for the transfer. When selling a gun that you own like this it is usually a good idea to make a notorized record of it so that the audit trail for that serial number continues.

Actually registering a gun is completely different and varies by state but it is done completely differently. Some states don't require anything at all, some have voluntary registration and some require it for just about any purchase. The way to go about registering will vary from state to state. The biggest thing is if you live in a state that requires registration for whatever you bought then you still have to register it, regardless of how it was purchased. Even if it wasn't purchased at all but given as a gift you would still have to register it if that state's laws required it and filling out a 4473 does not fulfill the requirements to register.

If you purchase 2 or more handguns within a 5 day period then there would be additional paperwork completed by the FFL holder that would then record the make, model etc of the guns and that information would be sent to the ATF and possibly local police agencies depending on the location but still this doesn't satisfy registration requirements.

Originally posted by garbageface
reply to post by Nevertheless

 

Because people are using this issue to push an assault weapons ban.

Good. There is literally no reason for someone who isn't in the military to own an assault rifle.


Also for the record, i'm not very familiar with gun laws, but I do know that when you drive into Boston, there is a HUGE billboard advertising a place where you can buy guns on the spot with no waiting period. This is a little ridiculous if you ask me.

reply to post by gladtobehere


Every semi automatic shotgun I have ever seen has a bolt charger. What do you mean fore end? How else do you possibly clear a semi auto? There is no pump.

The coroner said "no gun was found in the car";
so "nothing to see here - move along please."

reply to post by OGOldGreg

Scenario: Let's say I live out in the country....too far out for a prompt police response in an emergency and an armed criminal gang of 4 individuals pulls up in a stolen mini van intent on burgling my residence and they start kicking in the door without realizing that someone (me) was home. I yell thru the door that I am home and am calling the police and they yell back "Go ahead but you'll be dead before they get here!" Let's say I have a gun safe with a shotgun for bird hunting and a varmint rifle for coyotes and an assault styled rifle with a high capacity clip that I bought as insurance for something like this.....I quickly open the safe before the reinforced door is kicked in....now I ask you which gun would you select? You might actually pick the shotgun but you are limited to the # of rounds (1 more than the assailants is not enough)....so I would select the AR-15 with the 30 rd clip (if it was a .308 then it would have been a 20 rd magazine). Are you saying that I dont have a right to exercise the equivalent of personal police power over my own home? Is a man's home not his castle?

reply to post by CosmicCitizen


Just to be clear none of these guns use 30rnd clips, they all use magazines. They are not interchangeable. I want to say I agree with your post though. Not being know it all, I'm sure you would rather know if you make a mistake right?

Originally posted by 00nunya00

Originally posted by starviego
www.courant.com...
from Dec 19
Sources said that Nancy Lanza owned at least five guns and that all of them were purchased legally since her divorce in 2009.

Except that there were seven guns seized at her home and the crime scene: the Bushmaster, Sig Sauer, Glock, Marlin, Saiga, Henry, and the Enfield.

Can you cite the "seven guns found" for me? I've not seen a Saiga mentioned anywhere, in any media.

Edit: I have found one NYDaily news article saying it was a Saiga, but they reference CBS as the source of that info, and there are zero CBS/CBS News/CBS Affiliate reports that say it was a Saiga. Only the NYDaily News article saying "CBS said". So, if you can find an original source for that, I'd appreciate it. Fog of war applies to both sides, and I've got Ali Velshi saying authorities told *him* it was a Bushmaster found in the trunk.

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reply to post by 00nunya00


It says Saiga right in the post you made, right there. How is it that for 17 pages you can argue that it must be a Bushmaster because the media said it was a Bushmaster, but now that they say it is a Saiga shotgun, we should be leery of what the media says?

That is ridiculous. I don't think I have ever seen back pedal like this. By the way CNN says it is a Saiga shotgun as well, I posted that a page or 2 back you seem to have missed that post.

reply to post by ThePeopleParty


He used the charging handle to eject the shell cuz the version in the vehicle was a Semi-auto 12guage and not a pump-action. the one found in the vehicle is a saiga brand either ak-style or ar-style, I'm leaning towards AR-style due to the length, Ak-styles tend to have 16-22" barrels while the AR-style tend to come in 18-30" barrel. It has a custom thumbhole stock with a 5rd bandolier on it which lends it to look like an assault rifle along with the AK or AR style receivers. The images I posted are just for reference of how easy it is to make a shotgun look like a rifle. They are just of a custom .410 and for reference only not what I think they would be. enough people have posted pics of saiga AK-style and the AR-style pics I have you wouldn't believe they're even a shotgun without seeing it in person. It was definitely a shotgun the shell ejected was either white or clear which unfortunately won't help identify the round since shotshells are easily reloaded. The shell I thought it was would be next to impossible for him to get even if he stole it due to the need for a Class 3 FFL to be able to purchase, store or sell them. I'm guessing it was some simple buck, bird or slug load dressed in a dragons breath shotshell probably sold as "zombie apocalypse" ammo for a hefty markup of about 200%

I think this is very relevant to this topic.....

the parent who was in a meeting with the principal was at least 1 caller to 911 probably the one referred to on the radio recordings......but she says the parent told her there were HUNDREDS of shots.....

www.youtube.com...

It was either fully auto OR shot from the hip like a pro in that earlier video explaining it......IF what she is saying is true.

reply to post by SMOKINGGUN2012


A pro would never shoot from the hip, that's what amateurs and show offs do. an AR is easy to pump out 100+ Rounds in just a few seconds that's 100 squeezes of the finger. Its also a simple mod to make one full auto any idiot with access to a few simple handtools and the knowledge to strip the rifle can file the bolt to prevent it from locking after fire. Hell with the sig and glock i could put out 100rounds in under a minute just by using 17rnd mags and tactical mag changes.

Originally posted by sputniksteve

Originally posted by 00nunya00

Originally posted by starviego
www.courant.com...
from Dec 19
Sources said that Nancy Lanza owned at least five guns and that all of them were purchased legally since her divorce in 2009.

Except that there were seven guns seized at her home and the crime scene: the Bushmaster, Sig Sauer, Glock, Marlin, Saiga, Henry, and the Enfield.

Can you cite the "seven guns found" for me? I've not seen a Saiga mentioned anywhere, in any media.

Edit: I have found one NYDaily news article saying it was a Saiga, but they reference CBS as the source of that info, and there are zero CBS/CBS News/CBS Affiliate reports that say it was a Saiga. Only the NYDaily News article saying "CBS said". So, if you can find an original source for that, I'd appreciate it. Fog of war applies to both sides, and I've got Ali Velshi saying authorities told *him* it was a Bushmaster found in the trunk.

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reply to post by 00nunya00

 

It says Saiga right in the post you made, right there. How is it that for 17 pages you can argue that it must be a Bushmaster because the media said it was a Bushmaster, but now that they say it is a Saiga shotgun, we should be leery of what the media says?

That is ridiculous. I don't think I have ever seen back pedal like this. By the way CNN says it is a Saiga shotgun as well, I posted that a page or 2 back you seem to have missed that post.

You must not have had your coffee yet.

There is ONE article----ONE!!!!---that says it's a Saiga, and that article cites CBS as the source of this info, and CBS itself says no such thing.

I very clearly stated that we can't take the media's account as true for anything. But now YOU want to say because it was reported ONCE that it's true.

Backpedal, indeed.

reply to post by 00nunya00


How do you figure once? Did you not look at the CNN link i posted?