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Originally posted by MsAphrodite
I don't know if I'm posting this in the correct forum so mods feel free to move this if necessary. I was wondering about the moon phases of when the Aurora Colorado shooting occurred as compared to the Newtown shootings and look what I found.
Aurora Shootings July 20th
Originally posted by Thorneblood
reply to post by AuranVector
I am not sure i see your point.
The Kabbalah reference is just that, a reference found in the Greater Key of Solomon which relates to the phases of the moon and in particular "Evil" rituals. Since the Kabbalah is one of the more commonly followed "Occult" philosophies it made sense to check against its information.
As for the Necronomicon, your right, but Crowley's involvement in the occult goes too deep to simply assume that every word and piece has nothing to do with his own beliefs on the subject.
Originally posted by abeverage
Ok, not to be debunking but I was curious about the "Something interesting I just noticed"
So I did a little digging and found this...
From the West Coast to the Recent shooting in the Midwest in Colorado (I'll explain why I stopped there, below). I gathered the date, plus the number of fatalities + injuries = total victims and then added the phase of the moon.
05-20-2012 6+1=7 waxing Sliver
11-29-2009 4+1=5 Waxing Gibbous
05-21-1998 4+25=29 Waining Crescent
05-01-1992 4+10=14 Waxing Sliver
09-06-2011 5+7 =12 gibbous Waxing
01-17-1998 6+29=35 Waining Gibbous
04-02-2012 7+3=10 Waxing Gibbous
02-16-1988 7+4=11 Waining Sliver
01-30-2006 8+0=8 Waxing Sliver
10-14-2011 8+1=9 Waining Full
12-18-1997 5+2=7 Waining Gibbous
07-18-1984 22+19=41 Waining Gibbous
06-20-1994 5+23=28 Waxing Gibbous
02-12-2007 6+4=10 Waning Crescent
03-25-2006 7+2=9 Waning Crescent
07-01-1993 9+6=15 Waxing Full
01-08-2011 6+13-19 Waxing Crescent
04-20-1999 15+24=39 Waxing Crescent
12-14-1993 4+1=5 Waxing Sliver
07/20/2012 12+58=70 Waning Sliver
I see nothing, now admittedly I am not one for statistics and this is only a cursory glance but do you see anything out of the ordinary? Anything higher than say 50%? I don't, and not enough to keep going I mean only 4 out of 20 were the same moon a waxing sliver which is no better 20% even if I added the most recent shooting that comes to around 23%.
The dates and places are pretty spread out so if someone else wants to further this they can. I just became bored and sad, but not because I found no correlation (but because of the subject)!
Here is the moon calendar I used and the shootings along with some myths about mass shootings...
Moon Phases by date Calendar
Map of Mass Shootings in the United States
10 Myths about mass shootings
It is an interesting coincidence and observation but not a pattern...
Originally posted by AuranVector
Originally posted by abeverage
Ok, not to be debunking but I was curious about the "Something interesting I just noticed"
So I did a little digging and found this...
From the West Coast to the Recent shooting in the Midwest in Colorado (I'll explain why I stopped there, below). I gathered the date, plus the number of fatalities + injuries = total victims and then added the phase of the moon.
05-20-2012 6+1=7 waxing Sliver
11-29-2009 4+1=5 Waxing Gibbous
05-21-1998 4+25=29 Waining Crescent
05-01-1992 4+10=14 Waxing Sliver
09-06-2011 5+7 =12 gibbous Waxing
01-17-1998 6+29=35 Waining Gibbous
04-02-2012 7+3=10 Waxing Gibbous
02-16-1988 7+4=11 Waining Sliver
01-30-2006 8+0=8 Waxing Sliver
10-14-2011 8+1=9 Waining Full
12-18-1997 5+2=7 Waining Gibbous
07-18-1984 22+19=41 Waining Gibbous
06-20-1994 5+23=28 Waxing Gibbous
02-12-2007 6+4=10 Waning Crescent
03-25-2006 7+2=9 Waning Crescent
07-01-1993 9+6=15 Waxing Full
01-08-2011 6+13-19 Waxing Crescent
04-20-1999 15+24=39 Waxing Crescent
12-14-1993 4+1=5 Waxing Sliver
07/20/2012 12+58=70 Waning Sliver
I see nothing, now admittedly I am not one for statistics and this is only a cursory glance but do you see anything out of the ordinary? Anything higher than say 50%? I don't, and not enough to keep going I mean only 4 out of 20 were the same moon a waxing sliver which is no better 20% even if I added the most recent shooting that comes to around 23%.
The dates and places are pretty spread out so if someone else wants to further this they can. I just became bored and sad, but not because I found no correlation (but because of the subject)!
Here is the moon calendar I used and the shootings along with some myths about mass shootings...
Moon Phases by date Calendar
Map of Mass Shootings in the United States
10 Myths about mass shootings
It is an interesting coincidence and observation but not a pattern...
The last item on your list is "07/20/2012 12+58=70 Waning Sliver" is wrong. It was not a Waning Sliver, it was a Waxing Sliver.
Would you care to explain why you list them the way you did?
I'm going to check out your sources.
At the heart of Nahua philosophy stands the thesis that there exists a single, dynamic, vivifying, eternally self-generating and self-regenerating sacred power, energy or force: "The real meaning of [teotl] is spirit -- a concentration of power as a sacred and impersonal force".
This force, this essence, is total in its existence. All that is and all that can be is, at its source, composed of this essence. So vast is this essence that no being can truly comprehend all of it, and so it is distilled, filtered down into components that we can understand and believe in.
Teotl continually generates and regenerates as well as permeates, encompasses, and shapes the cosmos as part of its endless process of self-generation-and--regeneration. That which humans commonly understand as nature -- e.g. heavens, earth, rain, humans, trees, rocks, animals, etc. -- is generated by teotl, from teotl as one aspect, facet, or moment of its endless process of self-generation-and-regeneration.
There is no end to the essence, and as such there is no beginning. Time, life/death, the duality of existence that we see as balance is ultimately just the cycle of generation and regeneration of essence. Everything that exists reflects this supreme integration of all things. Life contains the seed of death; death, the fertile, energizing seed of life.
Skulls simultaneously symbolize death and life, since life springs from the bones of the dead. Flesh simultaneously symbolizes life and death, since death arises from the flesh of the living. The faces are thus neither-alive-nor-dead-yet-both-alive-and-dead all at once.
Essence is not a thing, it is an event, a dream that goes on and on for eternity. Like dreams all thing are possible in essence, and anything that can be expressed will be expressed...eventually. It neither conceives death as inherently evil and life as inherently good nor advocates the conquest of death or the search for eternal life.
...everybody and everything is an aspect of a grand, single, overriding unity. Separate beings and objects do not exist--that is an illusion peculiar to human beings. In daily life we divide up our environment into discrete units so that we can talk about it and manipulate it for our benefit. But it is an error to assume that the diversity we create in our lives is the way reality is actually structured ... everything is connected at a deeper level, part of the same basic substratum of being... The universe is a deified, seamless totality
In day to day terms all of this settles into the general unity of creation/destruction. Energy builds and breaks down at the same time, The essence of all things is in motion even if those things never seem to move.
Originally posted by abeverage
Correction then, the last date was Waxing Sliver which was a typo because the count was the same at 4 and 20% or 23% if you add the last incident.
No reason I did the list like I did, why do you ask? I was just moving across the map and typing out the information. Heading from West to East no real reason.
Sure go for it. If you get anywhere near more than 50% let me know! Around 20% seems average for a cycle that is approximately 30 days...
Originally posted by where2oceansmeet
What I find more odd, is the fact that nothing seems to happen on During the full moon or New moon... well nothing that has been posted or discussed here.
With more than a decade of law enforcement experience, I have always believed the full moon and new moon brought out a different kind of crazy to the streets...
Perhaps then, the people who go on these shooting spree's are not so crazy afterall.. just bewitched.....
Except for these true nutters.....
March 11, 2009
Winnenden, Germany - Full Moon
Sept. 28, 2004
Carmen de Patagones, Argentina - Day before full moon
April 26, 2002
Erfurt, Germany - Day before full moon
The last 2 were probably over eager over achievers...
Originally posted by AuranVector
Originally posted by abeverage
Correction then, the last date was Waxing Sliver which was a typo because the count was the same at 4 and 20% or 23% if you add the last incident.
No reason I did the list like I did, why do you ask? I was just moving across the map and typing out the information. Heading from West to East no real reason.
Sure go for it. If you get anywhere near more than 50% let me know! Around 20% seems average for a cycle that is approximately 30 days...
Now I understand why there is no order to the list.
I thank you for putting together this list, it gave me a starting point.
However there are errors:
Item 1.) 5-20-2012 is a New Moon/Solar Eclipse instead of a Waxing Sliver.
Item 4.) 5-01-1992 is a Dark Moon -- day before the New Moon, instead of a Waxing Sliver.
Item 6.) 1-17-1998 is the wrong date for the Cleveland Elementary School Shooting.
It happened on Jan 17, 1989 when the moon was Waxing Gibbous, instead of Waning Gibbous.
Item 8.) 2-16-1988 is a Dark Moon – day before the New Moon, instead of just a Waning Sliver or Crescent.
Item 10.) 14-10-2011 is the wrong date for the Seal Beach Shooting. There was confusion in the media.
It’s actually 12-10-2011 (Wednesday). It’s the only Full Moon on the list.
Item 16.) 1-07-1993 is a Waxing Gibbous – two days before the Full Moon, instead of
Waxing Full.
Item 18.) 4-20-1999 Not clear on the number injured at Columbine.
I have 21 injured, you have 24 injured. ???
Item 19.) 12-14-1993 Is a Waxing Crescent – day after the New Moon, just what we were looking for. It’s buried as just a “Waxing Sliver.”
Item 20.) 07-20-2012 Is a Waxing Crescent – day after the New Moon, not a Waning Sliver.
edit on 22-12-2012 by AuranVector because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MsAphrodite
If you know something about moon phases please add your analysis. This discovery freaked me out a bit.
Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
reply to post by MsAphrodite
Perhaps you would be interested in this:
"New Moon On Monday? Duran Duran's Illuminati Message?"
www.abovetopsecret.com...
by this_is_who_we_are
Started on 5/2/2011 @ 02:15 AM
ETA:
Star and Flag by the way.
edit on 12/19/2012 by this_is_who_we_are because: Edit To Add