Overlooked evidence in School shooting

Originally posted by SpearMint

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by zonetripper2065

 

You don't believe Adam Lanza was any kind of marksman, do you?
I realize people can shoot very fast semi auto but not young, inexperienced shooters.

Do we know he was inexperienced though? His mother owned the guns so he had access to them.

come on seriously, with all the weight he was carrying and the adrenaline pumping, some guy, you or I would be dropping clips, fumbling around with the weapon, not to mention the sound coming from the weapon in an enclosed space and then actually seeing the carnage inflicted for the first time would slow you down. if you are unaccustomed to such things.
Thats why special forces train over and over on a mock lay out of a target so they can move through a building with speed, hit the individuals as if they were targets, no feelings.
read through the links I posted see the similarities and coincidences.

www.despatch.cth.com.au...
members.iimetro.com.au...

The above sequence is the best the forensic scientists could deduce from the crime scene and there may be small variations, but in the final analysis they matter little. What does matter is that at this precise juncture the gunman had killed twelve victims and wounded a further ten in 15 seconds flat, using only 17 rounds fired from the right hip. Such a staggering performance is on a par with the best combat shooters in the world, and two retired counter-terrorist marksmen ruefully admitted they would be hard pressed to equal such awesome speed and accuracy. Both agreed that attributing such a performance to an intellectually-impaired invalid with an IQ of 66 and severely limited cognitive functions, amounts to nothing less than certifiable insanity on the part of Bryant's accusers. In military terms a fatal shot to the upper neck counts as a head shot, so for all practical purposes those who died during the first 15 seconds were killed by head shots fired with lethal accuracy from the gunman's hip.

reply to post by Asktheanimals

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Just found this , couldn't have possibly affected Lanza's actions, right?.

There have been reports that Lanza suffered from a personality disorder, was on the antidepressant Prozac,

presstv.com...

Prozac is actually known for causing less side effects on average than other SSRIs. Not to say people don't experience problems. I think more issues would be with weaning off Prozac or adverse effects when mixed with other medications.

Speaking of... I am reading in other articles he was on the anti-psychotic drug Fanapt.

Was it confirmed he was on either of these?

Can you show me where the investigators have said anything?
I don't mean reports of this or reports of that.
I mean the actual investigators who have looked at the real evidence.

Stop making conclusions based on hear say reports!

But then again that's what people on ATS do. Then when the final reports do come out they don't believe them.

In my opinion, someone who has not been trained for years to be able to do something like this could not have pulled it off. I don't care how messed up he was in the head. It is impossible for someone to shoot a bunch of children like that. The red flag for me is that humans are not wired to be able to hurt children. Whoever did this had to be a trained killer, and even then there would have been some hard core conditioning goin on.

It would be impossible for a young man to pull this off by himself. Only someone with years of experience and hundreds of kills could be calloused enough.

reply to post by Quauhtli

It is impossible for someone to shoot a bunch of children like that. The red flag for me is that humans are not wired to be able to hurt children.

Exceptions to every rule.

I could list multiple serial killers off the top of my head that harmed children.

Sometimes there are sick depraved individuals. It happens. This possibility should not be dismissed.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by zonetripper2065
reply to post by Asktheanimals

 

I dont know him so I cant rightly say. At age 18 I was a proficient shot. I mean these are scared little kid he was going after they're going to freeze up or tumble over each other in fear maybe huddle in a group?

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And the motive for killing kids like this is??

Thats why Im questioning this story so deeply.
I cant even come up with a motive.

Unless it wasnt him, because i can see political motives all over.

As far as motive goes they may use the The Dark Knight Rises movie for it. On another thread there is a map that shows Sandy Hook on it and you can't make out any other towns. They might say the shooter saw the movie, saw Sandy Hook on the map and chose Sandy Hook Elementary School for his choice of massacre.
A couple of posters on the other thread had the movie and watched it themselves to see this map and they claimed it was on there.

You can clearly see other names on the map. Sandy Hook is just one of them

Originally posted by Quauhtli
In my opinion, someone who has not been trained for years to be able to do something like this could not have pulled it off. I don't care how messed up he was in the head. It is impossible for someone to shoot a bunch of children like that. The red flag for me is that humans are not wired to be able to hurt children. Whoever did this had to be a trained killer, and even then there would have been some hard core conditioning goin on.

It would be impossible for a young man to pull this off by himself. Only someone with years of experience and hundreds of kills could be calloused enough.

There have been hundreds of people who have killed children before. As well as thousands who abused, molested and raped children. Sad that it has happened before. But it has. And we need to accept that.

Originally posted by bknapple32
You can clearly see other names on the map. Sandy Hook is just one of them

You can? I can't. My point is that the shooter could've seen this and used Sandy Hook as his motive.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by ajay59
reply to post by Asktheanimals

 

Red flags are popping out of the woodwork for me. Here is one that fits nicely with taking their version on faith.

Why would he make vague threats to make us stop posting about it?
Its a toothless threat unless they wanna black bag people or get em on unrelated charges.
Still its quite vindictive and malevolent.

I know why. Read Black Max's post. I think the men shot are the perps.

How about this for automatic fire.
They are avalible easily online.

Oddly I don't remember there being any reports of automatic fire. But I suppose it's possible that folks on scene may not know what it sounds like.

Most serial killers are older men, they have been calloused with age. There is a big difference. As well none have ever killed so many in such an intimate way.

In this case, the shooter was in the same room. Natural instinct would not allow for something like this unless the shooter had been practicing for years.

This kid was not a serial killer before this incident. Nobody could pull this off as a first time shooting.

The other recent cases were done in a manner which was not nearly as intimate. They were pulled off from a distance, or in the dark. There would have been a sense of disconnectedness involved. I can believe that they were first time shootings, but not this one.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


What are you getting at? What's the conspiracy de jour now? That he might've had an unnamed helper (who police are purposefully withholding and protecting? Why?)

Fact remains, there are 28 dead people in Connecticut and two more unaccounted for; his girlfriend and best friend who haven't been seen----last time I read any updates.

If there's any disinformation (opposed to misinformation which is to be expected) let it come from someone who was on the scene. There are lots of witnesses who made it through the carnage..

All these theories on the Internet are extremely disrespectful to all involved. Spouting off said-theories is useless and counter productive and only adds to more unfounded rumors.

My gut tells me, the story we're getting (a young man gone wild with at least 3 assault weapons) is precisely what happened only with a lot of 'why' details still left out. This was not a conspiracy sponsored by the government to control your guns. This kid snapped because it appears his mother was about to institutionalize him.

These rumors are so unnecessary at this juncture and I wish they would cease.

Originally posted by texasgirl

Originally posted by bknapple32
You can clearly see other names on the map. Sandy Hook is just one of them

You can? I can't. My point is that the shooter could've seen this and used Sandy Hook as his motive.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...


You can see midtown clearly. And whats more plausible; that he saw Sandy hook on the bottom of a map that appears for three seconds. Or that he went there in his past ?

Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by Asktheanimals

 

What are you getting at? What's the conspiracy de jour now? That he might've had an unnamed helper

(who police are purposefully withholding and protecting? Why?)

Fact remains, there are 28 dead people in Connecticut and two more unaccounted for; his girlfriend and best friend who haven't been seen----last time I read any updates.

If there's any disinformation (opposed to misinformation which is to be expected) let it come from someone who was on the scene. There are lots of witnesses who made it through the carnage..

All these theories on the Internet are extremely disrespectful to all involved. Spouting off said-theories is useless and counter productive and only adds to more unfounded rumors.

My gut tells me, the story we're getting (a young man gone wild with at least 3 assault weapons) is precisely what happened only with a lot of 'why' details still left out. This was not a conspiracy sponsored by the government to control your guns. This kid snapped because it appears his mother was about to institutionalize him.

These rumors are so unnecessary at this juncture and I wish they would cease.

H.A!!! Where have you been??!?! I need you now more than ever... Check out this thread. Topical to the overlooked 'evidence' www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Quauhtli

Most serial killers are older men, they have been calloused with age.

Not sure if 'calloused with age' is the general consensus by professional psychologists.

As well none have ever killed so many in such an intimate way.

I don't even know what you mean so I can't respond to that.

This kid was not a serial killer before this incident.

I was not saying he was one. I was merely giving an example of humans harming children.

Perhaps there is no conspiracy, but you can bet that certain elements will profit from this tragic event. Maybe the media, who in the act of elevating these monsters, or others who would profit from weapons sold on the black market. It is a gruesome subject for sure. But if talking about it and turning every stone may help to curb these elements then it would be worth it.

reply to post by Human_Alien

This kid snapped because it appears his mother was about to institutionalize him.

These rumors are so unnecessary at this juncture and I wish they would cease.

If you can't backup that claim definitively are you not also spreading 'rumors'?

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

This kid snapped because it appears his mother was about to institutionalize him.

These rumors are so unnecessary at this juncture and I wish they would cease.

If you can't backup that claim definitively are you not also spreading 'rumors'?

You're going to compare what he said to those saying Christopher Nolan had something to do with this, or that the father is faking in that video? Really? He is going off facts that have been presented. Others are going off the best ideas their imagination can come up with and then citing each other as if they have evidence to back themselves up.

reply to post by Quauhtli

This kid was not a serial killer before this incident. Nobody could pull this off as a first time shooting.

Lets cut to the chase on this issue.
This kid was CRAZY!
In recent years it has not been PC to use the term crazy. He has a mental illness or he is disturbed.
No he's crazy! He does not act like a normal human being. He does not follow normal human behavior. You cannot expect him to respect the things normal humans do.

This incident would not have happened back in the 50's. Not because we didn't have ARs back then but because he would have been locked up.

Ask anyone who have a kids with Aspergers. They can go off on you for reasons normal people totally ignor. And they don't just yell and scream. They get violent! Seriously violent! They don't realized they have just caused injury to those they love. They keep going.
By my definition that's crazy.