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Originally posted by Quadrivium
reply to post by MidnightSunshine
Parents who want to be "friends" instead of parents.
Little to no rules or structure in their lives.
Originally posted by n00bUK
There all crazy, all American and all have very easy access to guns.
But your right, let's all hide this real problem by creating a conspiracy round it. Something like the gov doing mind ccontrol so that they can take your guns. . .Yeah that will fix everything.
Americas blind ignorance towards this major issue is beyond a joke.
Disconnected from society.
Parents who want to be "friends" instead of parents.
Little to no rules or structure in their lives.
At home that afternoon, Bill Kinkel told Kip he would be sent to boarding school if he did not change his behavior. At 3:30 p.m., Kinkel retrieved his locked-up rifle from his parents' bedroom, loaded it, and went to the kitchen, where he shot his father in the back of the head.
He waited for his mother to come home. About 6 p.m., as she walked up the stairs from the garage, Kinkel shot her twice in the back of the head, three times in the face, and once in the heart.
He later stated that he had wanted to protect his parents from the embarrassment that his expulsion would have caused them.[2]
Originally posted by MidnightSunshine
reply to post by Quadrivium
Oh well thanks but I don't think I can do all of it, it would need to be a joint effort. We'd need to list them all, them we would have to come up with a large set of questions to apply to each of the mass killers, and then compare. That's a lot...edit on 15-12-2012 by MidnightSunshine because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Quadrivium
Disconnected from society.
Parents who want to be "friends" instead of parents.
Little to no rules or structure in their lives.
What do you base this judgement on? I remember reading a long story done on Kip Kinkel years ago in Rolling Stone. I was younger than so it had a lasting impression. However, from what I recall he had strict parents that were threatening to send him to a boarding school.
en.wikipedia.org...
At home that afternoon, Bill Kinkel told Kip he would be sent to boarding school if he did not change his behavior. At 3:30 p.m., Kinkel retrieved his locked-up rifle from his parents' bedroom, loaded it, and went to the kitchen, where he shot his father in the back of the head.
He waited for his mother to come home. About 6 p.m., as she walked up the stairs from the garage, Kinkel shot her twice in the back of the head, three times in the face, and once in the heart.
He later stated that he had wanted to protect his parents from the embarrassment that his expulsion would have caused them.[2]
The most recent story, the kid's mother was a teacher. There are plenty of teachers that are quite harsh with their kids. So I don't agree with your judgement.
One important thing to note, is that discipline for the sake of discipline is counter productive. Arbitrary rules are just as damaging as no structure at all.
Hence the whole thing about being "misunderstood".
Originally posted by Quadrivium
reply to post by MidnightSunshine
That thread would be here..... www.abovetopsecret.com...
I will try and start it off. This is only my opinion, nothing more.
I believe if we look we will find that the kids doing these shootings may have the following in common.
Disconnected from society.
Parents who want to be "friends" instead of parents.
Little to no rules or structure in their lives.
Outcast.
A need for attention.
I could go on but as I said, these are just opinions.
I think you are doing a good thing with this thread and I will keep checking in on it. I would like to understand why this is a growing phenomenon. Hopefully some will have more insight than I do.
Thank-you
Quad
Originally posted by n00bUK
There all crazy, all American and all have very easy access to guns.
But your right, let's all hide this real problem by creating a conspiracy round it.
Mass shootings in Europe
The shootings in the eastern Belgian city of Liege and Florence, Italy, on Tuesday have several precedents over the past 10 years in Europe:
- September 27, 2001 - SWITZERLAND
A man bursts into the local assembly in the central Swiss town of Zug and opens fire, killing 14 members of parliament and local government then turning the gun on himself.
- March 27, 2002 - FRANCE
Eight local councillors are killed and 19 injured when a man opens fire on members of the municipal council of Nanterre, outside Paris. He kills himself the next day while in police custody.
- April 26, 2002 - GERMANY
Sixteen people, including 12 teachers and two students, are gunned down at a school in Erfurt in eastern Germany by a 19-year-old former student, apparently in revenge for having been expelled, who then killed himself.
- November 7, 2007 - FINLAND
An 18-year-old goes on a shooting rampage in a school in the southern Finnish town of Tuusula, killing eight people before shooting himself.
- September 23, 2008 - FINLAND
Eleven people, including the 22-year-old gunman, die in a massacre at a training school at Kauhajoki, Finland.
- March 11, 2009 - GERMANY
Nine pupils, three teachers and three passers-by are killed in a school shooting at Winnenden in southern Germany by a former pupil who then kills himself.
- June 2, 2010 - ENGLAND
Twelve people are killed when a 52-year-old taxi driver goes on a shooting spree in the English region of Cumbria, before killing himself.
- April 9, 2011 - THE NETHERLANDS
A gunman opens fire in a packed mall in the Netherlands, killing six people before shooting himself dead.
- July 22, 2011- NORWAY
A bomb attack on government buildings in Oslo that kills eight is followed by a shooting which kills 69 at a summer holiday camp organised by the ruling Labour party on the island of Utoeya, near to the capital. A right-wing extremist is arrested for carrying out both attacks.
- December 13, 2011 - BELGIUM
Three people, plus the gunman, are killed when a man, armed with grenades, opens fire on a square packed with children and Christmas shoppers in the eastern Belgian city of Liege.
In ITALY a far-right militant kills two Senegalese street vendors and wounds three people in a shooting spree in Florence after which he apparently kills himself.
I believe if we look we will find that the kids doing these shootings may have the following in common.
Disconnected from society.
Parents who want to be "friends" instead of parents.
Little to no rules or structure in their lives.