Promote the Gun, Uplift the Second Amendment

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
reply to post by Yosemite Sam

 

So, 3 large 300 lb men kick your front door in with AK-47's and you are watching TV with your wife and 2 small childeren and you are holding what used to be your manhood in your hand as defense. Your wife is raped and your childeren are all shot in front of you as they ransack your house before shooting you between your eyes. Call me a coward, but I have a loaded AR-15 within 2 feet and all 3 would have been dead before they got 3 feet inside my house. I'd much rather have my life then yours. There is NOTHING cowardice about being prepared. In my eyes YOU failed to protect your family. As a man, there is no worse crime.

I would have more chance of winning millions on the lottery than that happening here and it also sounds like you buy that fear crap your government feed you everyday.

I am not blaming the current mess of the U.S. on you or anyone else here, the responsibility lies with your government. Money talks, likes guns and makes more money

edit on 15-12-2012 by Zcustosmorum because: (no reason given)

I am not afraid; I am simply prepared.....for anything. As a husband and a father, I decided a long time ago that that was my responsibility. No more, no less.

reply to post by Yosemite Sam


I would've thought that in a true Land of The Free, "being prepared" wouldn't include getting your door smashed in like you described.

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
reply to post by Yosemite Sam

 

I would've thought that in a true Land of The Free, "being prepared" wouldn't include getting your door smashed in like you described.

The problem is, today really isn't the land of the free is it?

Watch how much even the president himself regards freedom and the proteection of our troops above his own election.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The whole system is corrupt and needs to be replaced, from top to bottom, especially the lobbiests.

reply to post by Yosemite Sam


Can't argue there, the whole system needs an overhaul of the biggest magnitude. The days of elected people for the people disappeared a long time ago, it became something like, those most privelaged with subservience to the corporations are the ones to be elected.

Originally posted by Yosemite Sam

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
reply to post by Yosemite Sam

 

I would've thought that in a true Land of The Free, "being prepared" wouldn't include getting your door smashed in like you described.

The problem is, today really isn't the land of the free is it?

Watch how much even the president himself regards freedom and the proteection of our troops above his own election.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The whole system is corrupt and needs to be replaced, from top to bottom, especially the lobbiests.

After watching that, you think he gives a damn about the American people?

reply to post by Yosemite Sam


If he doesn't give a damn, then nice crocodile tears during his speech, if it was genuine, then good luck to him in trying to make the U.S. a true Land of the Free.

Regardless, he doesn't have control anymore, those with the money have the control and they certainly don't give a damn about the American people.

reply to post by Zcustosmorum


We're clearly not talking about the same video. And as ex-military we are on a different page.

Please refer to my previous post, and watch the video before posting further to me.

Originally posted by MentorsRiddle
The right to bear arms is one of the United States most fundamentally good amendments

Really?!

Then I'd shudder to think what the United States' 'bad' amendments look like...

It seems that whenever there's a gun massacre in the USA, the first rallying point is not around the victims, but around the 2nd amendment. No matter whom dies, no matter the age or sex or ethnic background of the victim/s, the 2nd amendment is always seen to be the most important potential victim. The human cost of preserving the 'right to bear arms' is merely collateral damage. Truth is, America has not rid itself of its Wild West ethos.

These rampage killings are not about the 2nd amendment. The killers are neither protesting against, nor seeking to preserve the 2nd amendment, it has no bearing whatsoever in their actions. The reason why America is the 'gun rampage' capital of the world, is because guns are so widely available, both legally and illegally. Firearm manufacture is a massive business in the US, it is one of it's major boom industries, and for the manufacturers, it is the profit, rather than the 2nd amendment that drives their industry. Fact: a gun is a tool for killing, having no other purpose but to cause harm against another life form. Here's a list of rampage killing statistics from around the world, broken down into various sections of rampage types...if there were gold medals to be had, America would sweep the lot.

en.wikipedia.org...

In contrast, the UK, having a similar society to that of the US, but exercising very strict gun control, clocks in with just six appearances against America's 43. The list only shows the first 15 entries for each rampage style, further links are provided to take one to more comprehensive statistics. Also, the list includes the variety of method and weapon used...it's quite a sobering study. A question I would ask here is...why does the UK have one of the lowest entry appearances whilst having the most defenceless population? Surely, one would expect the UK to appear more times because it doesn't allow it's citizens to carry firearms openly or concealed in a public place, and its citizens are therefore a more easier victim? The declaration that gun control works has to be taken seriously, that is if you are going to participate in the debate with a reasonable and honest mind.

I would argue further that gun control, alone, is not sufficient enough to establish such a low gun crime threshold like that of the UK's. It takes a citizen ethic, whose pathos displays a national consensus and understanding that guns-on-the-street bring a higher ponderance of firearm incidents. As an Englishman walking down a street in one of America's big cities, I am more likely to encounter someone carrying a gun (excluding police and other agencies), than an American walking down a street in any of the UK's big cities...it is a telling statistic.

Gun control does not (as the argument is perceived) leave a population defenceless, it actually defends it against firearm incidents. It takes away the opportunity for a gun to be carried and used, and although it doesn't stop firearm incidents from occurring, it lowers their occurrence to such an extent that the population goes about its business feeling confidently safe and sure about their person. Gun control works because the people see its wisdom and prudence, without which, gun control would not work. The UK has had its own correllation to a 'right to bear arms' since 1688, but that it is controlled for the common good, and the people look upon it as a very sensible and responsible social contract.

It has to be stated that the gun culture of America is driven by a social paranoia, and an over zealous need for self-empowerment. I do not doubt that the carrying of a gun brings upon the carrier a sense of confident empowerment. I remember as a child laying in bed at night, in the dark, the confidence brought to me as I clutched my toy gun...monsters would have a fight on their hands. Yes...it really is the same sense of empowerment. Whatever 'monster' an American can rationalize as argument for the need to carry a gun, an honest and reasonable mind will perceive such rationale as paranoia in a mind in servitude to fear. Fear is the crux of the debate, and until the American mind can rid itself of its paranoid fear, no sensible or prudent discussion regarding American gun culture will ever take place.

Fear of government, fear of militias, fear of the burgular and the mugger, fear of different cultures, fear of different coloured people, fear of a different ideology, fear of the large and the small, fear of the many and the few, fear of not having a gun to clutch in the night. Fear and domination are the only reasons for the need of a gun. Not by any stretch of the imagination can America call itself the 'land of the free', while it remains shackled to a fear of shadows...shadows that are the outlines of itself.

Originally posted by elysiumfire
It seems that whenever there's a gun massacre in the USA, the first rallying point is not around the victims, but around the 2nd amendment. No matter whom dies, no matter the age or sex or ethnic background of the victim/s, the 2nd amendment is always seen to be the most important potential victim

Indeed. And there's a very good reason for this...

Originally posted by olaru12
I'm all for the 2nd amendment and I have a very nice collection of pistols and long guns...

However people purchasing a fire arm need to be psychologically investigated as well as criminal and medical records looked at and if you have ever been charged with a violent crime or DWI............NO GUN, no exceptions.

edit on 14-12-2012 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)

If the factors used to determine person's fitness to own a gun are variable or subject to the whims of officials or a legislature, eventually they can be modified to exclude not just those with criminal histories and mental illness but anyone who displeases those in power.

Originally posted by WhamBamTYM
If the factors used to determine person's fitness to own a gun are variable or subject to the whims of officials or a legislature, eventually they can be modified to exclude not just those with criminal histories and mental illness but anyone who displeases those in power.

Agreed. I'm not totally against a system requiring psychological testing of gun buyers, especially for individuals in the 18-29 age group, but we would have to be very careful to devise a system that could not be abused by those in power and used to effectively ban everyone from owning firearms, whether they actually deserved it or not.

i'm not a American actually i'm an european but i fully agree that all persons should have the right to defend them self at all costs.

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

thank you.

Originally posted by Yosemite Sam

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
reply to post by Yosemite Sam

 

I would've thought that in a true Land of The Free, "being prepared" wouldn't include getting your door smashed in like you described.

The problem is, today really isn't the land of the free is it?

Watch how much even the president himself regards freedom and the proteection of our troops above his own election.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The whole system is corrupt and needs to be replaced, from top to bottom, especially the lobbiests.

today isn't the land of the free anymore??? wrong...we have MORE freedoms that we did fifty years ago. this is another lie fostered on the american people by the fearporn promoters. look it up, of course that might take15 to 20 minutes, so never mind.

reply to post by jimmyx

today isn't the land of the free anymore??? wrong...we have MORE freedoms that we did fifty years ago. this is another lie fostered on the american people by the fearporn promoters. look it up, of course that might take15 to 20 minutes, so never mind.

It shouldn't be any problem for you to post a link........

But then it might take you longer than 20 minutes to find it.

reply to post by MentorsRiddle


You guys who keep saying that you have a right to own guns just in case someone tries to mug you or tresspas on your property are really worrying me....

Gun crime is usually preserved for those who are in gangs, crime, drugs... that kind of thing... you aren't very likely to see a gun crime in your Town unless you go to bother someone with a gun... this is true whether you like it or not. Now, you do get burglaries and such which happen on ordinary people but you know, you just have to deal with it..

If you look at Countries where guns are outlawed, you see a lot less crimes with guns! this is a true fact in the UK! Ok, so you get gangs using them against eachother, so what, let them kill eachother... its what they do.

I say again, you are less likely to see a gun crime if you keep to yourself and dont bother people who look like they may have a gun!

You saying that you want a gun for self-defense doesn't really cut it..... when were you last attacked? Probably never in your life!!

Seriously, all those children would still be alive today if guns were banned!!

But on the other hand... I think the US have left it too late.... there are too many guns in circulation and its easy to be smuggled in to the Country and bought on the black market!!

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by Yosemite Sam

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
reply to post by Yosemite Sam

 

I would've thought that in a true Land of The Free, "being prepared" wouldn't include getting your door smashed in like you described.

The problem is, today really isn't the land of the free is it?

Watch how much even the president himself regards freedom and the proteection of our troops above his own election.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The whole system is corrupt and needs to be replaced, from top to bottom, especially the lobbiests.

today isn't the land of the free anymore??? wrong...we have MORE freedoms that we did fifty years ago. this is another lie fostered on the american people by the fearporn promoters. look it up, of course that might take15 to 20 minutes, so never mind.

I don't need to look it up. You are simply wrong. Show me 3 examples, and I will give you 10.

Originally posted by jahlv
i'm not a American actually i'm an european but i fully agree that all persons should have the right to defend them self at all costs.

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

thank you.

So, you are saying that everyone should have a gun?

You want more massacres then? This is what would happen.

Only responsible people could or should own a gun but this would need to proven..... people would have to take tests!!

And like I said in my other post.... those people who want a gun but are deemed unfit to own one, will go and buy one on the black market!

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by MentorsRiddle

 

You guys who keep saying that you have a right to own guns just in case someone tries to mug you or tresspas on your property are really worrying me....

Gun crime is usually preserved for those who are in gangs, crime, drugs... that kind of thing... you aren't very likely to see a gun crime in your Town unless you go to bother someone with a gun... this is true whether you like it or not. Now, you do get burglaries and such which happen on ordinary people but you know, you just have to deal with it..

If you look at Countries where guns are outlawed, you see a lot less crimes with guns! this is a true fact in the UK! Ok, so you get gangs using them against eachother, so what, let them kill eachother... its what they do.

I say again, you are less likely to see a gun crime if you keep to yourself and dont bother people who look like they may have a gun!

You saying that you want a gun for self-defense doesn't really cut it..... when were you last attacked? Probably never in your life!!

Seriously, all those children would still be alive today if guns were banned!!

But on the other hand... I think the US have left it too late.... there are too many guns in circulation and its easy to be smuggled in to the Country and bought on the black market!!

I have never said I have a right to own a gun because of your blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, (how many in-valid points did you have?).

I have right to own a gun based on the 2nd amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. And I will until the day I die; however that event may unfold, PERIOD. Make of that whatever you will.

EarthlingSpelunker:

Indeed. And there's a very good reason for this...

I don't doubt that you believe so...but,

Give me your thoughts that constitute the 'very good' reasons for why? So far you have not stated anything, you've not supported anything, you've not clarified or qualified anything. I wait with bated breath. Peace.