Promote the Gun, Uplift the Second Amendment

reply to post by Zcustosmorum


gulags and concentration camps are far worse than a bullet to the face on town square

Originally posted by rockoperawriter
reply to post by Zcustosmorum

 

gulags and concentration camps are far worse than a bullet to the face on town square

edit on 16-12-2012 by rockoperawriter because: (no reason given)

And they were also at a time long before you were on this planet

Know the biggest tool for a corp that makes guns?

Fear

reply to post by Zcustosmorum


they might be in effect if they take our guns away. you have no idea how old i am

Sick, sorry nation "America" has become. Posts on this thread evidence the fact that we are way past the point of no return.

Originally posted by tabov
Sick, sorry nation "America" has become. Posts on this thread evidence the fact that we are way past the point of no return.

so maybe we must look past recent events, learn from history and evolve from it instead of falling for the scurvy kraken that is propaganda? take heart for our masters want us to relinquish our arms and we must stand fast in the face of tyranny

I have posted this information on several threads but it needs to be repeted as much as possible.
There is a valid reason why the Department of Homeland Security classified returning Veterans as potential Terrorists; we have the training and the will to defend ourselves and our neighbors against criminals, invading forces and even our own military.

If you look at the number of hunters and sport shooters in the U.S. then you will see the reason.
The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world.
www.reuters.com...
21.8 million Americans hunted at least once over the past five years. Previous estimates have shown over 14 million youth and adults hunt each year.
www.nssf.org... PDF File
United States Active Military: 1,458,219;
Reserve Military: 1,458,500;
Paramilitary: 11,035;
Total: 2,927,754
en.wikipedia.org...
The United States has the largest standing army in the world, not counting the Active and Reserve "Official" military forces, with 21.8 million Americans armed and at least somewhat familiar with their weapons.
A good sized portion of those hunters are likely former military, with some of the best training that could be provided at the time they served.
Pretty powder blue helmets make very good targets
To say that this most recent shooting is a result of not enough gun control is to be uninformed, willfully or not.
Example:

Armed pilots banned 2 months before 9-11
www.wnd.com...
Pilots Now Ready to Carry Guns in Cockpit

Capt. Fred Bates, an American Airlines pilot who helped put the program in place, said as many as a third of U.S. pilots, or about 30,000, could be carrying weapons on the flight deck in five years.

abcnews.go.com...
Teachers allowed to carry on school property.
www.knoxnews.com...
State Rep. Dennis Richardson
"at least three officials in every school should be trained in the use of firearms."
"We need to ensure that our children are safe, and we can't do that by disarming those who are on the scene,"
www.katu.com...
Israeli teachers carry guns

The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting,

Personally I think Michigan has the answer on the Governor's desk, Hopefully he will sign it.

“If you have pistol free zones they are actually mass murderer empowerment zones,” said Steve Dulan, attorney for the Michigan Coalition of Responsible Gun Owners, who represents sportsman clubs throughout Michigan backing the bill.
“If you actually look at the history, even over the past 10 years in the US, you find that maybe all but one mass shooting has occurred in a so-called gun free zone,” he added.

govtslaves.info...
Why does it seem to always be in a high gun control state in a gun-free zone that these things happen?
Maybe because the shooters know that there is less likely hood of another person being there armed and able to stop them before they stop themselves.
Do Armed citezines stop crimes. Why, Yes they do. Links 1 and 2.



I can see NO legitimate reason for Our Government to want to disarm the people and do away with the second amendment unless they are no longer serving our best interests.

Most Definitely! I'm in agreement with this. Not only should all gun owners be mentally competent, but also trained to use one properly beforehand.

Originally posted by frank64

Originally posted by unb3k44n7
reply to post by MentorsRiddle

 

SSSSS And FFFFFF

I don't have anything to contribute to this thread, only because this issue has been raked over countless times.
I'm in full support of protecting our 2nd amendment rights. Always have always will.

ETA: I wanted to add also that I will not allow myself to be left defenseless. Not saying I do or do not own a gun currently, however, I will still choose to use/own one if necessary, if it becomes outlawed. I don't care. I'm sorry I just don't. I'm responsible for my own well-being and safety and I won't rely on solely on law enforcement or government to protect me whist not first protect myself.

edit on 16-12-2012 by unb3k44n7 because: (no reason given)

I'm scottish and don't know the in's and out's of gun ownership in the states, i do know however that a mentally unstable person once again wiped out so many innocent lives, why, we will never know, but is it not time to add to legislation, you wont give up your right to protect yourselves, so why not make it law that to own a gun ( of any type ) you need to have a government approved psycological certificate, ye i know these could be forged, or a database, DMV comes to mind, wouldn't this keep the peace between both camps

Originally posted by GoOfYFoOt

Originally posted by frank64

Originally posted by unb3k44n7
reply to post by MentorsRiddle

 

SSSSS And FFFFFF

I don't have anything to contribute to this thread, only because this issue has been raked over countless times.
I'm in full support of protecting our 2nd amendment rights. Always have always will.

ETA: I wanted to add also that I will not allow myself to be left defenseless. Not saying I do or do not own a gun currently, however, I will still choose to use/own one if necessary, if it becomes outlawed. I don't care. I'm sorry I just don't. I'm responsible for my own well-being and safety and I won't rely on solely on law enforcement or government to protect me whist not first protect myself.

edit on 16-12-2012 by unb3k44n7 because: (no reason given)

I'm scottish and don't know the in's and out's of gun ownership in the states, i do know however that a mentally unstable person once again wiped out so many innocent lives, why, we will never know, but is it not time to add to legislation, you wont give up your right to protect yourselves, so why not make it law that to own a gun ( of any type ) you need to have a government approved psycological certificate, ye i know these could be forged, or a database, DMV comes to mind, wouldn't this keep the peace between both camps

Here is why...

Who is to say, that the voracious defense of one's God-given rights, wouldn't be construed as a form of insanity, by a government shrink????

edit on 12/16/2012 by GoOfYFoOt because: I can...

I see your reason for concern clearly also, GoOfYFoOt. Your concern is valid and possible indeed. For anyone who does not see this concern, just watch tv, and read the news, look at the drug companies -- finding new disorders and psychotic meds is pretty much a trend. Almost any human behavior, given someone tortures the idea enough, can be a new diagnosis of some form of mental disorder. It's an unnerving thought and would be hard if not impossible to fight through the paperwork to dismiss these claims against you in a healthcare or government setting. It's scary.

Originally posted by vor78

Originally posted by DreamerOracle
reply to post by vor78

 

I really don't know

Lets take a look at the scores..... Very Telling.

You do realize that the US has around 6,000 non-firearm related murders yearly as well, don't you?

A gun ban wouldn't stop anything. Likewise, I suspect that if you were to implement US gun laws in the UK, in 5-10 years, there would be no significant uptick in gun-related homicides. Understand something...the US is not Europe and its not Japan. This problem is far, FAR more than just the presence of guns over here. There's a huge, violent gang culture in our major cities and a massive mental health crisis almost everywhere else. A gun ban will solve none of this, likely won't reduce the yearly homicide total (which is actually at its lowest since the late 60s) and will just piss off about 100 million people who were minding their own business.

0 would be my goal but isn't 6000 better than 16000

I am speechless and have to wonder, has the U.S. gone completely insane?

Now maybe, this is protection, understandably for the short term, until something is done about the totally insane gun laws. I can't help but feel though, that some really bad accident is gonna happen with all the hysteria over there right now.

news.sky.com...

Originally posted by rockoperawriter

Originally posted by DreamerOracle
reply to post by vor78

 

I really don't know

Lets take a look at the scores..... Very Telling.

hey mack according to the cdc

About 600,000 people die of heart disease in the United States every year–that’s 1 in every 4 deaths.

you wanna ban bacon and pancakes?

also ban communism Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975): 40,000,000

"lets take a wittle wook at deez scores of people"

edit on 16-12-2012 by rockoperawriter because: (no reason given)

Bacon and Pancakes are taken in by the indivual eating them by choice..... not thrown at people for the purpose of Murder... What a silly thing to say, a gun designed for one use to kill a being on the opposing end of the barrel is just as bad as Bacon and Pancakes So what your saying is that victims of gun crime choose to be shot..... the same as people who die choose to eat pancakes and bacon I really hope you are joking

And why we're at it lets ban WW1 and WW2....oh wait ..... they ended 98 and 73 years ago. Your point being Ridiculous

DP

reply to post by AwakeinNM

Yes and double penalties for using a gun in a "gun free zone"....that ought to do it (wink, wink).

Originally posted by DreamerOracle
0 would be my goal but isn't 6000 better than 16000

The only problem is, it wouldn't stay at 6,000 if you ban firearms. Clearly, this number would go signifcantly higher, because one can logically conclude that many who would have used a firearm would simply choose another weapon if a firearm were not readily available.

The second problem? Most of those firearm-related homicides are committed with illegally obtained weapons. Those aren't going anywhere. They're already effectively banned, but I don't see many thugs turning them in. And I strongly suspect that it would lead to an uptick in home invasions in areas currently free of them, as criminals would be emboldened by the fact that they would no longer face the prospect of meeting the barrel of a 12 gauge or a .45 as they crawled through the window.

I just don't think you'd see the positive impact from a gun ban that you believe. The real reason that most of these other countries have lower homicide rates are due to societal factors outside of gun control. The cultures that exist in the UK or France or Japan, for instance, are inherently less violent than what exists here at the present time. You could implement our laws there and they'd STILL have low homicide rates. The inverse is also true. Their laws would have surprisingly little impact here.

Canada is a perfect example. Look at their homicide rate. Now consider that they actually have a fairly high rate of gun ownership. In fact, this is even true throughout much of the United States. 85-90% of the country from a geographic standpoint has no significant problem with gun violence, despite huge rates of gun ownership.

Its not the guns that are the problem. Its the people.

Originally posted by seeker1963
reply to post by MentorsRiddle

 

*STAND BY*

The Dictator and Cheif to make a comment on the shooting.............

Get ready folks.......

Just saw that plastic traitor of a President of yours on our TV...again..about the 5th time today, wiping a crocodile tear away, and claiming that 'things need to change'...you got that right Mr. President, but the 2nd Amendment isn't it.

At least the BBC supports the 'agenda'.

I think traitors that try to diminish and repeal the American constitution, with arrests and imprisonment without trial or access to legal council, state sanctioned murder of American citizens and now attacking the 2nd Amendment...need a change instead of stripping ever more rights and freedoms away.

I want to make this quite clear.... I don't recommend a GUN BAN, what I recommend is Regulations similar to most of the Western World e.g UK. As stated in other posts and threads your reason has to be just, some examples from the UK.... Policeman, Farmer, Huntsman, Registered Competitor of Gunsports. Not Joe Bloggs becuase he thinks it makes him look hard or making up for some other short fall he may have in his pants..
I myself own a Registered High Powered BSA Air Riffle...for shooting at paper targets.... for sport.
Criminals will get guns regardless of controls but lets make this clear.... the recent massacres were carried out by people who weren't criminal to begin with and had access to firearms via the people with the mindset that they have the right to bear arms to protect their homes....................

Originally posted by DreamerOracle
I want to make this quite clear.... I don't recommend a GUN BAN, what I recommend is Regulations similar to most of the Western World e.g UK. As stated in other posts and threads your reason has to be just, some examples from the UK.... Policeman, Farmer, Huntsman, Registered Competitor of Gunsports. Not Joe Bloggs becuase he thinks it makes him look hard or making up for some other short fall he may have in his pants..
I myself own a Registered High Powered BSA Air Riffle...for shooting at paper targets.... for sport.
Criminals will get guns regardless of controls but lets make this clear.... the recent massacres were carried out by people who weren't criminal to begin with and had access to firearms via the people with the mindset that they have the right to bear arms to protect their homes....................

edit on 17-12-2012 by DreamerOracle because: (no reason given)

If there must be a change in the way America's guns are regulated I personally would rather see Switzerland imitated than the United Kingdom. In all reality though, the U.S. will do it in its own way as usual.

Originally posted by rockoperawriter

Originally posted by DreamerOracle
reply to post by vor78

 

I really don't know

Lets take a look at the scores..... Very Telling.

hey mack according to the cdc

About 600,000 people die of heart disease in the United States every year–that’s 1 in every 4 deaths.

you wanna ban bacon and pancakes?

also ban communism Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975): 40,000,000

"lets take a wittle wook at deez scores of people"

edit on 16-12-2012 by rockoperawriter because: (no reason given)

Im sorry, but that has got to be the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard. How can you compare heart disease- an illness- with guns? Or communism- an ideology- with an inanimate object?

Ive got a zebra here- would you like to compare it to a grapefruit or Lord of the Rings?

reply to post by RedmoonMWC


Enforced military service for 2 years and mandatory training for years after would at least target the problem of the lone kid in his mums basement just playing COD until he literally thinks its real and then using his "expertise" in reality with shocking consequences would be the best bet like the swiss model

reply to post by Maxatoria


Is that what they think happened in this case? Was the shooter a video game addict that thought he would act it out for real?

The Swiss model makes sense to me, although I cannot agree that there is any 'need' for a civilian to own an assault weapon. If you want to shoot deer, then you need a bolt action rifle, not an AK47.