Ban the Gun, Repeal the Second Amendment.

I am a veteran and a patriot. I believe in the 2nd amendment, however, I also believe that some gun reform is needed in the U.S. Not everyone should own a firearm. There is a lot of variation in the process to obtain firearms from state to state. I live in New York, one of the most difficult states to obtain a pistol permit. Yes, it's a giant pain in the ass, but it serves it's purpose. If you're not a felon or a criminal then getting a firearm is no big deal. It took me six months to obtain a pistol permit, and I have a clean record. Other states, it's much easier to obtain a pistol permit. All in all, it's pretty easy in every state to get ahold of a rifle or shot gun. It's true that gun laws really only serve to protect criminals. The trick is keeping firearms out of the reach of criminals and not punish law-abiding citizens. It's clear the U.S. will never ban firearms; that's not going to happen so we better think of something else to do. What we need to do is have a better vetting process for firearm ownership and increase penelties and punishments for criminals.

reply to post by Liquesence


Kudos to you. I concur but would like to add, there are almost as many guns in the US are there are people living in the US. So the ratio of crazy SOB's killing people with guns to those who actively own and are responsible with their guns is astronomically higher.

By the way OP, your remark on 1200 rounds? A responsible gun owner who actively goes out and shoots his guns at a firing range or on private property can easily go through that in less than a day depending on the guns he is shooting, responsibly.

reply to post by macman


The difference between us in the UK and you guys is probably the survival rate as any idiot with a bit of training can just pull up in a car point and shoot and the target is dead and nothing will help while at least here its generally broken bones, stab wounds and at least a chance of actually surviving the encounter

Ban people.

reply to post by Credenceskynyrd

Yes, the Y generation has grown up with the idea that they should be given everything, not taught morals, no ethics, no shame and no belief system other then the Govt will take care of every want.

All of those things breed a decline in society.

I don't care if they did ban them. I'm keeping mine. I need to get some more. When martial law/zombie apocalypse/possible war on U.S. soil/terrorism, other country invasion unfolds, don't be asking me can you borrow one of mines after you turned yours in.

People with dubious agendas love to use emotion to push them through.

Its why the gun bans are not on the table with out an emotionally tramatizing event behind them.

With out the event these agendas would have to face the Scrutiny of logic, but get people emotional about it and thats a different story.

The facts of the Gun situation in America are simple, the genie is out of the bottle, no amount of "regulation" can grandfather the existing guns out of existences. It can however prevent future gun ownership, NONE of the proposed gun bans, or regulation would prevent these tragedies.

Criminals do not obey the rule of law by the very definition of the word, but funny how people forget all that once you parade around a tragedy behind these agendas.

Originally posted by DAZ21
It will because weapons are about to be taken by force, soon. And when you only have a few on the black market, then yes some shootings will occur, but not a weekly occurrence like we are witnessing here and now.

We're not on some dinky island chief.

An all out ban will just add guns to this list:


And they'll make it in by the ton. Not the nice civilian semi autos either. We'll have real military full auto's crossing over headed in bulk to all the same places the coke and heroin are.

Originally posted by jimmiec
Banning guns will not stop people from obtaining guns. Criminals will all have guns and if you wanted a gun you could buy one from a criminal. Machine shops can manufacture guns. Arresting everyone who was caught with a gun would bankrupt us. There is no way to truly ban guns that would not have unintended consequences worse than legal gun ownership.

Than your country is doomed...that's all I will say about this. I for one cannot be bothered about news concerning shooters anymore. I doesn't mean I don't feel for the victims, it's terrible! You all brought this on yourself and it seems it's a way of living in the US. The majority of the Americans doesn't want change, than you get this...the same happens in your politics! I wish you good luck sorting out this issue.

Figured I'd add my 2 cents as a responsible gun owner. Like many have said, if you ban the right to own a gun for law abiding citizens that use them for recreation, hunting, and/or home protection, then all that is left are the criminals and government. How is somebody who hunts for their food going to get an abundance for the winter? What are you going to do if somebody breaks into your home, then holds you at gun point and hurts your family, and there is nothing you can do but watch.

Now, if they ban our guns, do you really think the US government is going to resort to name calling and fight with sticks and stones? No, if dissent peaks, and nobody could defend themselves from a full governmental take over, then I'm pretty sure it will be a 1 sided victory.


Fix current laws, do not add new ones.

More strict background checks
More fees associated with registering the gun
and maybe even a simple mental health evaluation every few years, just so people don't get a weapon, then become a lunatic and nobody knew.

There is not a 1 size fits all solution here.

reply to post by Maxatoria


Yeah, because no one ever recovers or survives a gun shot wound.

You are watching to many movies.

Knife wounds are some of the worst to deal with, medically speaking.

Ever cared for someone with a gun shot wound and/or knife wound???

reply to post by Blades144

By the way OP, your remark on 1200 rounds? A responsible gun owner who actively goes out and shoots his guns at a firing range or on private property can easily go through that in less than a day depending on the guns he is shooting, responsibly.

Exactly. Large amounts of ammunition and/or numbers of guns is irrelevant to the responsible gun owner. It's the criminal we need to worry about.

reply to post by DAZ21


They will never ban guns. and it is ridiculous you think the government should step in and give us more rules and laws because of some dumb sh*ts decision. people get murdered everyday and not just by guns. so should they ban everything that can be used as a weapon. hell, why not just put everyone in stray jackets so no on can harm each other. Sorry we don't like to be weapon free like the uk. labeling masses for someone who killed 1/10000th of the population is a little ridiculous no matter how sad the circumstance is. also our governments militarilys kill kids all the time. how come that's not in the news. why don't they ban weapons from the military? they're more psychotic than all the deranged humans combined.

Your wasting your breath OP

Gun nuts in my opinion are just as bad as religious nuts.
They will stick to their guns (pun intended) in the face of all logic and if all else fails will fall back on an antiquated piece of paper/book to justify their position.

Ban all guns and anyone caught with one gets an immediate jail sentence, sure people will still have guns but over a generation or 2 they will be weeded out.

Or better yet lets just give everyone a gun, that will make us safe

Before someone mentions that small town where gun ownership is mandatory, its not actually. Read the law and it says if you dont want one you dont have to have one, in effect its no different than anywhere else in the US.
Yes the crime rate there is low but so is every other town with 30,000 or less residents.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin




congratulations to you for putting what the international community is thinking. i have been down this track before and be prepared to get absolutely slammed.

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff


Before someone mentions that small town where gun ownership is mandatory, its not actually. Read the law and it says if you dont want one you dont have to have one, in effect its no different than anywhere else in the US.
Yes the crime rate there is low but so is every other town with 30,000 or less residents.

Yeah I wonder why the crime rate is so low??

Maybe it is due to an armed society??? Nah, can't be. Just a coincidence huh??
Ever been to that Town in GA???? I have.
Do you want to know why the crime rate is so low??? Or do you just want to march to your anti drum beat?

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


Its a very horrible situation. But banning guns wont solve the problem.

you'll have people using other weapons to take their rage out on society. Like knives, bows & arrows, Baeball bats, etc... why dont we ban those too?

Look at Chicago, IL... Highest murder rate with the nations most strict gun control laws. that did not fix their problem.

in the end, its horrible to see things happen but banning something isn't going to make it go away.

Originally posted by TrueMessiah
I don't care if they did ban them. I'm keeping mine. I need to get some more. When martial law/zombie apocalypse/possible war on U.S. soil/terrorism, other country invasion unfolds, don't be asking me can you borrow one of mines after you turned yours in.

You're living in a dream world. If someone was going to kill you, if they were smart enough you would be dead before you could even think about your precious pistol. If you think about it, owning a gun is useless, because if someone wants to shoot you they will, they won't come up to you like in the films and put a gun to your face. You're not Jason bourne, you don't have super reflexes that are faster than a bullet.

Owning a gun is futile, here in the UK we have obviously evolved to understand that, but it does usually take the US a little longer to understand. Not all of you, just most of you. Use your brains and think of how a gun can really be used as a self defense weapon...

It can't.

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff


Hello

Gun nut here I have yet to kill anyone with my guns, oh and there are a few othre hundred million like me.

There is some "logic" for consumption anyone have a problem with me and my guns feel free, anyone who tries to take that constitutional right is nothing but fascist.

Originally posted by neo96
Some people need to get of their so called "moral high horse".

www.cnn.com...

We all know what got more coverage.

Thank you Neo, Its not guns that kill people, its crazy people that kill people.