Breaking News - Shooting at Newtown, Connecticut elementary school.

reply to post by 00nunya00


I'm with reason number two, for obvious reasons. The Virginia Tech shooting, with 33 deaths, was covered efficiently, and no conflicting stories. No disinformation.

This, well this just seems ODD.

reply to post by Honor93


Generally if you are online, you leave some kind of trace, even if it is just to a TOR node. But who knows really, he could have been piggybacking off a neighbor's wifi, or using an open hotspot, if it really was a "carefully planned plot" and not just snap, kill mom, take her big guns, and go to the school for whatever reason.

Not really sure why a lot of people do seem to be assuming this was a planned thing, it was not all that intricate, and so far as we know, nothing was found to indicate it was planned for a long period of time.

Reading through these pages and something just dawned on me. Forgive me if this has already been said. But what if this is actually a successfully executed terror plot. Think about it...how can they hit us where it would hurt the most? Our children. And the reason his HDD is smashed is b/c he didn't want any info to lead to that conclusion. It would explain the reason why the info keeps changing, b/c they're making it up as they go. It also would explain the FBI presence. And the media probably has been asked to keep this fact on the DL, so that the other terror cells don't find out that we're onto them.

As a side, I assure you this event happened. I live in CT and we have family there that was affected by this tragedy. People grieve differently and there are those that could be in complete denial. And I mean COMPLETE denial. When it hits them though it will be like a ton of bricks. Saw my niece go through it when her father passed away 2 years ago this Feb. So please show a little respect to these families that were torn apart.

There probably isn't anything here but it could be at least an interesting post nonetheless.

Chris Manfredonia, the gentleman they handcuffed in the woods outside of the school, I think I found him on Rate My Teacher having two entries rated against him.

Overall 1 Star Rating:

Clarity He screwed up our lax season, i had to wake up a 6 to get on the bus to trumbull at 7:45. Chris didnt the bus company know the time was changed so we waited for the bus for almost an hour. Bad Kid

Overall 1 Star Rating:

He is unfair.

If he's never been at Fairfield Warde High School in Fairfield, Connecticut, then that isn't him and I'll definitely delete this post.

Source:
Rate My Teacher

reply to post by TKDRL

thanks for filling in some blanks.
i do wonder why it matters.

aside from the obvious (computer friendly person with no internet history) ... the other thing that bothers me is why only 1 computer?
heck, there are at least 3 here and that's not counting laptops.

i read he had posted "intent" on 4chan, did you or anyone else verify that tale ?
i didn't.

Now that we know he was on strong psych meds we can take seriously the claim that he was drawn into this set up and pushed over the edge with the information that he was going to be committed. Nobody wants to be institutionalized and locked away. Adam was defending himself. At that point he was using the gun for what it is designed to be used for... defense. He was literally fighting his mother for his freedom from a psych ward. Oddly enough. He did not want to commit suicide at that point in the scenario. Nobody responds to attack with suicide. People respond with a fight for survival. In his feeble mind his survival hinged on stopping his mother from having him committed. Remember this kid has Jewish DNA and high reasoning skill. He lacks compassion and social skill. So he goes and kills his mother and then lashes out at the school children who he thought were receiving his mother's love and attention. Only when cornered, and forced into realization, did he turn the gun on himself. I imagine if Police had taken longer to arrive, and Adam was running low on ammo, that Adam would probably have wandered off into the woods and shot himself upon realization of his actions. He was most likely in a furious trance while shooting and that mental condition was certainly enhanced by the pyche meds. It is all very interestingly timed given the lead up during the previous weeks with ultra-Leftist Bob Costas yammering on about guns during entertainment sport broadcasts. Even wacko John McEnroe was begging to be disarmed. Only Charles Barkley was presenting a realistic picture of responsible gun ownership. Costas was constantly trying to force the idea that athletes needed to disarm. Since when did sports broadcasts become a soapbox for anti-gunners? I'm telling you this Leftist Media we have now is ready to disarm Americans and spark a race riot revolution. The Media is responsible for the whole breakdown of society with the hypersexual hyperviolent images. I've always wondered why the Leftist types pushed violent rap music and now I know why. It certainly is not due to technical proficiency in music composition. The violent anti-White Media is really showing itself for what it is lately.

I made it up to page 80 and need to catch up, so if this has already been explained, just ignore my post. I'll catch up to the answer eventually.....

Here's my thing.....the media has painted a really stellar picture of Adam Lanza as this complete basket case. So unstable he could not function in regular school. So unstable his mom was at her witts end with him, so messed up that his entire world was on his computer. So unstable she quit work to care for him?

Yet, she takes him shooting? She keeps guns in the house?

I wonder what Adams psychiatrist had to say about that? Did the psychatrist know there were guns in the home? Where is Adams psychiatrist? He must have had one, if he was being medicated and was as disturbed as the media has been reporting.....is the psychiatrist allowed to speak or is that patient confidentially thing still in effect?

And being on meds....were they the sort that impaired him in anyway? The kind that would keep him from being able to drive? The way the media has portrayed him, it seems like he was under his mothers constant supervision and care....someone so mentally fragile, he should not be out on his own, driving?

No "online friends"? If he was in college, did he go on campus or was it all online? If online he must have interacted with students that way? If it was campus based, then people would have had to know him, right? Is everyone in such shock they are not comming forward to speak or do I just need to catch up on this thread for these answers?

I don't know....maybe I am reading to much into these reports....maybe the media is overblowing his condition for "effect"? Maybe he wasn't half as "mentally ill" as they are making him out to be. Maybe he was just a cold blooded killer....maybe this is something else entirely different....the more I read, the more questions I seem to have.

reply to post by IWant2Believe323

heartfelt condolences to you and your family.

as for a terror plot of which the FBI was previously aware ?
let's just say for their sake, i sure hope not.

most any subdued animal will avenge an attack on their children, i doubt humans would react much differently.

I'm kind of surprised why Chris Manfredonia's name hasn't been discussed hardly at all in this thread, except for myself.

Why dress up in camouflage if you're only there at the school "to make gingerbread houses with first-graders"?

He claims to have "ran around the school trying to reach his daughter" after he "heard popping sounds and smelled sulfur" but was briefly handcuffed by police.

He was found in the woods though.

Could he have possibly been a spotter to make sure whatever task was completed?

Lastly, why was he only briefly handcuffed but then quickly released where he "later found his child, who had been locked in a small room with a teacher"?

It kind of seems like some order from above told the officers to immediately release him.

Personally, I just want to believe Adam acted alone on this.

It's too scary of a thought trying to believe there are more sick people out there like him.

As Ladyk74 posted elsewhere in ATS, i'm posting it here in case it is relevant

www.standard.net...

Does this weaken the no-one-died theory, or is it irrelevant? As sick as this may sound, i think it's actually human, if not outright logical, to ~want~ to believe in the no-one-died theory, because I honestly would rather believe that. It ~is~ possible to heavily (but safely) sedate the child, and put her in the coffin for the public (?) viewings. The viewings would i think obviously be limited to family members, so please don't blame me as a sicko to want to go in and morbidly look, but I blame the article for making it sound like there's any transparency at all. But like i said, even if you could go in, the child could be sedated. (And again, if that were the truth, i think makes the world better)

Anyone can perhaps elaborate about funerals in general and important things to look for thereof?

reply to post by klebics


as far as i know.. ATS only has one member that states to have family that are directly linked to this tradegy.. just a bit up from this post..

As a side, I assure you this event happened. I live in CT and we have family there that was affected by this tragedy. People grieve differently and there are those that could be in complete denial. And I mean COMPLETE denial. When it hits them though it will be like a ton of bricks. Saw my niece go through it when her father passed away 2 years ago this Feb. So please show a little respect to these families that were torn apart.

Originally posted by starviego
Reposted from another thread. Everything is now in doubt.

I wasn't a fan of the 'it's all an act' theory, but after watching this video of the alleged father of a slain child, I'm starting to wonder:

www.youtube.com...

edit on 18-12-2012 by starviego because: (no reason given)

just WTF?
im gobsmacked by this
and the big bloke standing to the left at the start is the coroner i think
so is this all one big act?

Originally posted by happyhomemaker29

Originally posted by MisterMaster
reply to post by fluff007

 

By all means start your own thread about Pakistani children if you feel its important, however, the title of this thread mentions its about a school shooting in Connecticut, not Pakistan so your commebts are unwelcome the way I see it.

And lemme just say what the rest of you are thinking, but won't verbalize. I do not gaf about kids overseas. I do not care...at all. Let their government and LEO's deal with them. If someone at the Pentagon decides a group of 10 year olds in Pakistan need a drone strike, so be it. Fact is, those types of countries brainwash kids at a young age to believe in Jihad and to blow themselves up.

Stop derailing the thread, you offend the OP and most of the rest of us with your feel good happy vomit.

And please....did you shed a tear the last time a drone took out some kids in a craphole country 12,000 miles away? I didnt.

MisterMaster, you may feel this way, and that is fine, I obviously cannot stop you. But I, for one, do not. Please, do me a favor the next time you feel the need to speak for me, and stop. Just because those countries brainwash those kids to Jihad, and we blow them up with a drone, children are children are children are children. Since the mods saw fit to not delete their post, it obviously wasn't that too far off topic, but there was no need for attack. Ignore works just as well. I've actually enjoyed some of your posts up till now. I hope after this one, that can continue. I've had enough people speak for me. I think I can do a good enough job of it myself from hear on out. Thanks.

First, I never mentioned speaking for all, so if it dont apply, let it fly. Tell me if I have your logical explanation down okay? Children are above all laws and hatred specifically because they are children...that about cover it?

In the first few pages of this thread I went over the story of how a child about 10 years old held up our convoy in Afghanistan. Long story short...he blew himself up taking the MD on duty who was helping him and his bloddy face, as well as the point man in the convoy. He took off the MD's left arm and head, the point man was turned into soup.
Is that child and all like him immune from retribution or death for hes transgression?? He is just a child afterall.
Hell, ADAM LANZA is just a child, had he been caught for this crime, would you be for or against the death penalty? No matter how you answer that, you completely nulify the babble in your last post.

Please...by all means dont like my posts anymore. You seem to be under the impression im lookin for friends or stars. Keep your stars and skip right on over my posts if you arent interested in being put in your place.

Originally posted by IWant2Believe323
Reading through these pages and something just dawned on me. Forgive me if this has already been said. But what if this is actually a successfully executed terror plot. Think about it...how can they hit us where it would hurt the most? Our children. And the reason his HDD is smashed is b/c he didn't want any info to lead to that conclusion. It would explain the reason why the info keeps changing, b/c they're making it up as they go. It also would explain the FBI presence. And the media probably has been asked to keep this fact on the DL, so that the other terror cells don't find out that we're onto them.

As a side, I assure you this event happened. I live in CT and we have family there that was affected by this tragedy. People grieve differently and there are those that could be in complete denial. And I mean COMPLETE denial. When it hits them though it will be like a ton of bricks. Saw my niece go through it when her father passed away 2 years ago this Feb. So please show a little respect to these families that were torn apart.

I wouldnt put any stock in crap like this is a terrorist attack. Isnt the purpose of terrorism to cause terror? The sheep will believe any story handed to them so where does the "terror" angle play in? If terrorists just shoot a school, and the population isnt aware its terrorism (as we know it), then how does this terror event get the terrorists what they are after?
For that matter, would it be more terror-some to hear of another school shooting by a crazy kid, or having a few IED's go off at a few malls?

Terrorists go for mass casualties and well, terror. School goes on in the country, and this will soon be forgotten when the next time Hillary falls and has a concussion.

Perhaps you are right, but it would go against the reason terrorists commit terror in the first place as there was no group claiming responsibility. Tell me, what terrorist group would do this against "The Great Satan" and NOT take the credit? Their numbers would swell at such an act imo.

While I have no love for Israel, they wouldnt dare. Without the USA at her side, Israel would be blown of the map with the quickness. Not buyin it...but doesnt mean it aint true...

I have no way to prove anything, nor would my Aunt, so you can all take this at face value. But when this first happened, I had posted that my Aunt lives in Danbury, and is a teacher, and I was so worried she would know someone affected by this. Sure enough, she did. Last night she went to the wake of one of the little boys (And the funeral is today), the son of her coworker/friend.

Like I said, you guys can definitely take it at face value, and others saying they know people affected. Because I've seen people comment "Did anyone see the body?". And I understand that.

reply to post by Deadscreameyes

Yeah, my cousin's boss and friend, his son was killed. I met them, that family came up with my cousin's family last summer. I took them all on all the various trails I have mapped out on the ATVs. I know they were real people. Lots of family in CT and NY, I used to hang out at first and last, beebees and togabees. Down the hatch a few times, but not my regular spot.

reply to post by Honor93

I didn't find the supposed threads in the archives, all we have is a screenshot, and we all know how much 4chan likes them shoops eh?

reply to post by TKDRL


I remember a few years ago on 4chan, someone posted a picture of some guns and bullets scattered about on a piece of paper saying that they were planning to shoot up somewhere on a specific date, and to watch the news for it.. it had the date on it and time of when it was posted. Nothing ever happened. I remember seeing that kind of stuff on there a lot. I don't recall something happening, and they weren't specific on the place either.

But I doubt the screenshot in this case is real. Also, I remember something about the post numbers being off from that screenshot. I do find it weird that they are trying so hard with the HDD, but.. like others said, what about his footprint on the internet? Email addresses. What about a cell phone??

ehh screw it

Conspiracy theories can be pretty far out there, and occasionally just completely stupid. But hey, that is life I guess. Have to take the bad with the good, right?

Well, there comes a time when the bad is so bad that it is completely ludicrous and absolute trash. The latest example of this - people sitting there and saying "there was no blood, the parents are actors, there were no deaths, its all made up." Having an imagination is one thing, but being so disrespectful to the families and friends of those that died by suggesting it was all an act is going too far. Regardless of WHO was responsible for this, WHY that person(s) did this, or exactly HOW it went down ... those children and teachers are dead, and they arent coming back. This is the reality of the situation, and it sucks. Bad.

I'm in no mood to sit here and jump on anyone that might be posing a different theory about who did this or what the reasoning was behind murdering 26 people ... but to anyone even suggesting that this whole event has been faked and that its all just an act, may you die in a fiery pit in hell. If you do not like my opinion on the matter, I dont care. I make no apologies for it.