Another gun killed a person

Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by Cosmic911

 

I have spent plenty of time around these weapons, as almost everyone I know is law enforcement. They are all issued them and carry them all the time.

As to the safety issues...
As I posted above, the manufacturer itself stated in an internal document that they were aware of the problems. They hid the documents relating to the matter, when they should have been turned over to the court on at least one occasion. On top of that, they have been quietly settling out of court with folks to keep this out of the press.

No offense, but I'm going to believe the internal documents of the manufacturer and designer over a fan and owner every day of the week.

Oh, you have friends who are cops, well why didn't you just say so. My mistake. Manufacturers settle out of court because dead kids = bad press. It's easier for them to make a payment. It still doesn't change anything that I said about the safeties, the triggers, and stupid gun owners. And this "fan"/veteran carried a weapon during every deployment and still carry everywhere I go so you could say I'm intimately familar with my firearms.

reply to post by Cosmic911

Paul F. Jannuzzo, Glock's former top executive in the U.S., says in an interview that, overall, the company's pistols are as safe as comparable handguns—and more durable. "The one problem," he says, "was [the Glock] would go off sometimes when it wasn't supposed to."

Again, I'll take the word of the company and its execs, thanks...

Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by Cosmic911

 

Paul F. Jannuzzo, Glock's former top executive in the U.S., says in an interview that, overall, the company's pistols are as safe as comparable handguns—and more durable. "The one problem," he says, "was [the Glock] would go off sometimes when it wasn't supposed to."

Again, I'll take the word of the company and its execs, thanks...

Former executive, and you know the reason he no longer works there....because....???? Again, I must say I'm really surprised how you present absolutely NO evidence of anything and how quick you are to simply regurgitate whatever it is you find on the internet that supports your claim. Kinda disappointing. Anyone can copy and paste but you have presented nothing in reality. (deny ignorance?) Here's the point...guns aren't going away in the United States...ever. So what are we going to do about it? As a firearm owner I don't want to see people hurt either so something needs to be done, right? Keeping guns out of the hands of people that show no personal responsibility is the only thing that can be done. Besides, we were originally discussing trigger pulls and safeties, not accidental discharges. You changed the subject.

Originally posted by BrokenAngelWings33
reply to post by whatsecret

 

More free will choices to ponder...this person chose to end their own life..it is sad very sad...and there will be those that insist he didn't do it by choice.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by BrokenAngelWings33 Lately there has been a few different threads about FREE WILL. I decided to try a different approach to this theoretical discussion. Here is a gun...

Here are some bullets...

How do the bullets get in the gun? ...How did the gun fire a shot? Did the bullets will themselves to just shoot...

BAW33

who gave this gun a gun licence

reply to post by Mikeyy


I suggest you go back and find my last post, you will see I am not trying to force anything down anybodies throat, and I am fully aware they can be used for self defense.

Picking one of my posts, where I was replying to another member and easily taken out of context is pretty bad debating sir.

reply to post by maryhinge


Don't need a license to get a gun, who manufactures the damn things? MAN.

I think it's pretty clear that if EVERYONE had a gun, none of these shootings would happen, right?

I kinda look at it as the Cold War... no one wanted to start a war because everyone was armed to the teeth. In fact, going by that same logic, I think every country in the world should have nuclear weapons. Give Iran nukes, all the countries in Africa, Israel already has them but give them more, North Korea could use some... I mean EVERYBODY -- then we have nothing to worry about from then on, right? Just make them legal for everyone, because we all know nukes don't kill people, buttons do.

Because if everyone has weapons, nobody has to be afraid they will get used.

/sarc off

I believe in stricter regulation of all weapons. Mainly, you need to take an IQ test and pass with an AVERAGE score of a 100 to get a permit. And there should be a limit on how many you can own. No need for a Terminator shed, even though I'm sure a lot of people here think that makes them safer. It doesn't because all your neighbors also have a shed with enough firepower to wipe out a county. And how often do the weapons fall into the wrong hands? All the time, more in this country than any other on Earth.

And I come from a country that went through civil war, people were allowed to get guns, full automatics, shotguns, whatever before the war... when the civil war started and people started killing each other it made you wonder who allowed all these crazies access to so many weapons. In fact, I see more and more of that happening here, a crazy deja vu I wish I weren't having.

But no one listened in Yugoslavia either, and I don't expect gun supporters to see any common sense here either. At least not until it's too late. Rarely do guns and common sense go hand in hand.


Khar

Talking about all this, saying how guns kill less people than non-firearms.
Weed kills no one and it's still illegal. So obviously the government has #ed up.
While I don't find it necessary to ban guns, stricter gun control has to be put in place. SUCCESSFUL gun control, not just the we'll do this and that but nothing happens.

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Without a gun the shooter in Newton today would have what...????

Stoned them to death?

I regret starting this thread very much. If this monster did what he did today because I and others believe in owning a gun for protection then I will turn it in right now. But the truth is that monsters don't care what they use to kill people. Be it a gun knife or anything else they still do what they do.

At this point I think it is safe to assume that this incident will be a turning point in gun ownership debate. I totally understand that if he didn't have guns maybe these poor little babies would be alive. Maybe this monster would only kill his mother and the kids could run out of the classroom if he only had a knife.

either so something needs to be done, right? Keeping guns out of the hands of people that show no personal responsibility is the only thing that can be done.

That would insinuate support for gun control. And I think the last 70 or some years of gun control would be proof enough of a failed policy don't you?

Originally posted by citizenoftheworld
reply to post by whatsecret

 

It may be the person itself that chose to shoot, but a gun is still a tool that provides this action to happen. Therefore all guns should be banned, at least for public use, everywhere! But that is whish full thinking! It does do more bad than good. The gun could have also hit someone else!

edit on 13-12-2012 by citizenoftheworld because: (no reason given)

You said---The gun could have also hit someone else!-----The gun? You make it sound like the gun is acting on it's own. Are you talking about throwing the gun at someone?
Before guns were invented how did people kill other people? A spear? Or an axe? Ok, outlaw them too. Then what? Take it all the back to when there were no weapons. Use bare hands to kill? Ok, outlaw hands, cut them off.
Yup, a gun is a tool. Just like a bat, club, knife, spoon, car, pool cue, plastic bag,....... where do you want me to stop, fool? How about your dick if you have an STD?
Go live in a country that has banned firearms. How many people of that country were murdered after they took all the guns? Did crime go up because the people couldn't defend themselves? Yes. Criminals will have guns. they don't obey any laws. I hope you don't have a car. Cars have killed innocent people.

There are so many things I could say... Yes, having a gun makes it easier to kill people, so does having a car, or some fertilizer for a bomb...

So far I haven't noticed anyone bring up this point, though I could have missed it.

If there was a gun ban, and all the good, law-abiding citizens complied, they would be much easier to control. Once the possibility of defending oneself is taken, then TPTB would have a much easier go at forcing us to do other things.

Another point I would like to make: Most Americans have access to a vehicle that weighs over 3000 pounds, these vehicles can make speeds in excess of 100 miles per hour. If there were a ban on guns, then wouldn't it be just as easy for one of these nutjobs to wait until there was a group of people at a bus stop or something to just bury the pedal and take out the whole crowd? What then? Would there be a ban on automobiles?

Originally posted by foodstamp

either so something needs to be done, right? Keeping guns out of the hands of people that show no personal responsibility is the only thing that can be done.

That would insinuate support for gun control. And I think the last 70 or some years of gun control would be proof enough of a failed policy don't you?

As a patriot, a veteran, and supporter of the 2nd amendment I fully support reasonable gun control. I live in one of the most restrictive gun control states in the U.S. I don't have a problem with keeping firearms out of the hands of those who are criminals or cannot take personal responsibility for themselves.

I am all for people owning guns, but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop this stupid "guns don't kill, people do", or "don't blame the machine". Show me one gun, just one, that killed multiple people without a human touching it. Or for you "don't blame the machine, blame the operator" people, show me one person who will admit to being too stupid to fill the car up with gas or too stupid to set the alarm who will refuse to blame themselves, but instead say "oh my car ran out of gas" or "oh my alarm didn't go off"

Originally posted by marvinthemartian
Last year over 300,000 guns where stolen in the u s a.
That is 300, 000 guns in the hands of criminals.
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

And taking guns away from responsible individuals will level the playing field, how?

Even more reason not to ban guns.

Originally posted by BrokenAngelWings33
reply to post by MrWendal

 

It is not about the method...I can find many graphs to show different statistics, how about this one, gun control is not the issue, stupidity is.... here is my graph for you...

The number of stupid deaths of any kind period is 100% out of 100%.

OOOooohhhh, SNAP. Are you gonna take THAT, MrWendal?

You've just be pwned. Not really.

reply to post by citizenoftheworld


yeah and rope, ties, cords etc. are tools to hang yourself or someone else. Anything thats not too heavy to swing not plush toy soft and not nailed down is a tool to beat someone to death with, Speaking of nails and knives after that thing in china, lets just ban everything everywhere even trees as we can make clubs spears and arrows with them!

Originally posted by Cosmic911

Originally posted by foodstamp

either so something needs to be done, right? Keeping guns out of the hands of people that show no personal responsibility is the only thing that can be done.

That would insinuate support for gun control. And I think the last 70 or some years of gun control would be proof enough of a failed policy don't you?

As a patriot, a veteran, and supporter of the 2nd amendment I fully support reasonable gun control. I live in one of the most restrictive gun control states in the U.S. I don't have a problem with keeping firearms out of the hands of those who are criminals or cannot take personal responsibility for themselves.

Yeah? Have you not noticed that the last, I dunno, 12 or so mass shootings have been done by guns purchased legally?

I think this brings up two valid points.

1. Gun control policy has always failed and will continue to fail

2. Felon background checks have a negligable effect when it comes to gun crimes commited by repeat offenders

Originally posted by Alxandro

Originally posted by marvinthemartian
Last year over 300,000 guns where stolen in the u s a.
That is 300, 000 guns in the hands of criminals.
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

And taking guns away from responsible individuals will level the playing field, how?

Even more reason not to ban guns.

Heh, Let me add one more tidbit to that comment you quoted above/...

300,000 Guns stolen and 12,000 gun crimes commited the next year? Sounds like even the "nasty felons" don't want problems either.... Heh

Ohh lemme give you and the other guy one more quote, " in 2011, 2% of gun crimes were committed by illegal weapons" Hmmmmmm, really makes ya think...

Look everyone, Guns are going no where...They are never going anywhere... You CANNOT predict, no matter how hard you try, who, what, when, or where, someone is going to use a gun for illegal means...

Another fact... in 80%+ of ALL major cities that have strict gun laws, you will find the most gun crime... Do the math anti-gun lobby....

reply to post by Bildo


Bildo, I read your post.. And I'd just like to say.... You couldn't have said it better... So simple... Yet so complicated for some people eh?