Something super weird is going on with the Oregon shooting....

It's all to push the gun restrictions laws. Emotional lobbying.

reply to post by starviego


im going back thru the original thread to see if i can find a link....i heard the report on the scanner...base was relaying info to a squad car about the siteing.......

So surely, there must be all sorts CCTV footage for this one- shopping malls are full of cameras. There should be footage right from the arrival of the shooter until the end. There shouldnt be any doubts about what happened here.

If it turns out there isnt- well, that should ring alarm bells.........

Originally posted by starviego

Originally posted by clearmind
reports of a white truck leaving the mall with a person in camo and with a rifle?!?

I keep hearing that. Does anybody have a source for this?

I remember those reports as well. Your best bet at this point may be the Ongoing thread on this shooting. They have all reports that various media outlets and witnesses gave in that thread. Even twitter feed.

reply to post by starviego


well after looking thru 21 pages and reading a few links...the only mentioning are from what people heard on the police scanner at the time...

--2 shooters, one all in camo and one all in black both wearing hockey masks
--white ford explorer seen leaving the mall, occupant in camo with a rifle
--securing a witness who claims to have taken a shoot at the shooter
--civilian telling an officer about a .223 round on the ground, another officer saying he was aware of the round and that it was a 'dept round'

all these are just what others heard on the scanner that night....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by otie1
During the press confrence clackamas co sheriff stated no shots were fired "inside" the mall.--a reporter asked if any shots were fired outside and the officer literally froze

I haven't read through all the way to the end of this thread yet, so my question may have already been answered down the road, but...

Was the sheriff talking about shots fired from THEIR weapons? Or from the shooter's weapon?

Is anybody else seeing what I'm seeing? This thread should be on page 21 or 22. I've been following it from the start I just checked this 10 minutes ago and it was page 20+ now it is page 19?

Clearmind two posts up also mentions page 21, so i am not crazy. This thread should have 2 more pages. Where did they go?

reply to post by idunno12


THEY STATED THEY NEVER FIRED AT THE SHOOTER HE WAS ALREADY DEAD. both of these thread dont add up. whatso ever there was no claim that an elderly man was killed there was a 45 year old father and a 54 year old woman and a 15 year old girl.......also were did the .223 com in if they NEVER fired on him what did the cop do throw it at him?

WTF were did the clearly this is going to be about gun control post go ????????????now im seeing things or SOMEBODY is touching our convo because we are getting to close to truth ???? btw this is now the page 19 maybe 20 at 1:22pm pst

reply to post by WhoFeelsitKnowsit


thats 21 pages of the original thread in the breaking news forum....this thread you are reading now is not the original thread....

first thread on shooting

Go read this excellent post
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by clearmind
reply to post by WhoFeelsitKnowsit

 

thats 21 pages of the original thread in the breaking news forum....this thread you are reading now is not the original thread....

first thread on shooting

Thanks. I didn't realize I was subscribed to both

Carry on.

reply to post by MissCoyote


.223 ammo WTF??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Alright, at first I was totally on board with the idea that most of you (who think this was a "staged" event or whatever) are crazy.

Now, I am not so sure *(maybe your crazy is rubbing off???)

The "drug bust" with the Hockey mask and Guitar case that happened on the 7th is just TOO MUCH. What could the odds POSSIBLY be that three days earlier police raid someone, take pics which show a Jason Hockey mask and Guitar case- Then in the same town a shooter is seen with those same two items?

Just does not compute.

And the whole "I am the shooter" is just weird. That and only hitting three people with 60+ rounds in a crowded shopping mall- Too much here does not add up but normally I would brush it off as a weird coincidence- But with the picture of mask and guitar case from three days earlier- Just cannot look at this objectively without seeing far too many problems with the :"lone nut" idea.

EDIT: pretty sure an AR-!5 uses .223 (can be set up several ways) so that isnt weird to me.

Before you start screaming CONSPIRACY consider you sources of information.

Second hand, third hand internet posts?

Originally posted by samkent
Before you start screaming CONSPIRACY consider you sources of information.

Second hand, third hand internet posts?

No. I looked it all up and verified.

The drug bust was reported in Portland and the pictures are from a local television station. CBS, ABC (and others) have reported that he was seen carrying a guitar case and wearing a Hockey mask.

-That and if he was really trying to kill people (and himself) why all the screaming, firing in the air and not really trying to kill people? it isnt like he had second thoughts or he would have never done this to begin with.

I certainly am not "screaming" conspiracy- And in fact,. I am usually on the other end of the spectrum.

There is just too much here which I cannot buy. The coincidences I can- But not with the drug bust and photos from a couple days prior...I feel something here is "wrong"- Not sure what- But this isnt being reported truthfully at all.

reply to post by DarKPenguiN


To create fear and panic

Originally posted by aivlas
reply to post by DarKPenguiN

 

To create fear and panic

Maybe- But if that IS the case it certainly isnt getting more "gun control" but is doing the opposite. At kleast in my State (Michigan) we have better , more liberal gun laws than anytime in my life- Used to be you needed to have a "reason" for a CCW (like carrying large amounts of cash) and only a few hundred (maybe more) people had them- Now everyone is getting a CCW, even my MOM (who is in her 60s ) has one.

-So, if the agenda is about gun control , this (if anything) is making more people carry. I am all about the second amendment. =)

"fear and panic"- Sure, it has something to do with it- But as for an overall agenda I just dont see it as "gun control" and if it is- Its backfiring on them.

Originally posted by Frettin
reply to post by KEmery719

 

They gave him the vest so he would feel confident that he would survive his 'mission' and go through with it. He was probably worried about CCW holders taking him out, so the cops gave him the vest, assured him he would be OK, sealed the mall off, then shot him in the head.

This post of yours took me off on a totally different tangent of thought for some reason. Maybe I read a hint of this same thought in the previous pages and that's why its making me thing this now??? I'm not sure. But this thought popped into my head as I read your post, above.

What if this kid was set up to be part of a training exercise. Given a gun with blanks (in reference to the poster who noted that the only time these guns jammed for him were during training exercises with blanks), outfitted in camo and safety vests, etc. (from the evidence room), and told to shout "I'm the shooter! I'm the shooter!" as part of the training exercise for the teams? Maybe he thought he was an official part of an official training. What if it was an exercise gone wrong? or an exercise staged to cover another shooting (the two people shot and actually killed out of 60 rounds fired)?

I don't know....I'm just thinking about his fingerprints already being in the system with no criminal history. Was he related to or friends with anyone in law enforcement? Or did he at one time apply for a local law enforcement position...maybe even for a civilian job with a government office? I know that I have personally been involved in a situation where law enforcement used one of the children of the officers in order to stage a surprise exercise. Everyone was shocked as it unfolded and we didn't know it was staged until after the training was over. And we were just civilians...not law enforcement employees.

Originally posted by idunno12

Originally posted by Frettin
reply to post by KEmery719

 

They gave him the vest so he would feel confident that he would survive his 'mission' and go through with it. He was probably worried about CCW holders taking him out, so the cops gave him the vest, assured him he would be OK, sealed the mall off, then shot him in the head.

This post of yours took me off on a totally different tangent of thought for some reason. Maybe I read a hint of this same thought in the previous pages and that's why its making me thing this now??? I'm not sure. But this thought popped into my head as I read your post, above.

What if this kid was set up to be part of a training exercise. Given a gun with blanks (in reference to the poster who noted that the only time these guns jammed for him were during training exercises with blanks), outfitted in camo and safety vests, etc. (from the evidence room), and told to shout "I'm the shooter! I'm the shooter!" as part of the training exercise for the teams? Maybe he thought he was an official part of an official training. What if it was an exercise gone wrong? or an exercise staged to cover another shooting (the two people shot and actually killed out of 60 rounds fired)?

I don't know....I'm just thinking about his fingerprints already being in the system with no criminal history. Was he related to or friends with anyone in law enforcement? Or did he at one time apply for a local law enforcement position...maybe even for a civilian job with a government office? I know that I have personally been involved in a situation where law enforcement used one of the children of the officers in order to stage a surprise exercise. Everyone was shocked as it unfolded and we didn't know it was staged until after the training was over. And we were just civilians...not law enforcement employees.

Role players here get paid $18 an hour. They are hired by a subcontractor. They are fingerprinted and have to pass a background check. They have to sign a waiver because they can be physically roughed up in some of the exercises.
They have people of all walks of life. I don't know how this guy would have gotton on with one of the sub firms unless he knew somebody who already role plays.
It's not a job they run classified ads to fill.

I am going to backtrack to catch up to see what I've missed.
Thanks for the posters giving us a rundown on the other thread significant points.