Are all Christians blindly hypocritical?

reply to post by adjensen


You did it again. You tried to beat around the bush. Maybe you're not even aware you do it, let me try to point out where it happened. You said:

Show me where I said God doesn't allow both

God allowing good and evil is only half of what I stated. You forgot the part where I said he is behind both.

So, either God is behind both, and allows both, or God has no hand in either one.

If good is attributable to God, than evil is also, because evil is not just "the absence of good," as you claim, but the reflection of it. Good is as much the "absence of evil," as evil is the "absence of good." At the end of the day they are two halves of a single whole.

So, either God created good and evil together, or God did not. It's still a simple premise. One which you are misunderstanding, not I.

So, I'll ask again: did God create good and evil, or did He not? He could not have only created half.

~ Wandering Scribe

Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
reply to post by adjensen

 

You did it again. You tried to beat around the bush. Maybe you're not even aware you do it, let me try to point out where it happened. You said:

Show me where I said God doesn't allow both

God allowing good and evil is only half of what I stated. You forgot the part where I said he is behind both.

Uh, no, your quote mining would seem to indicate that, but that's not what I wrote:

Show me where I said God doesn't allow both, and as evil is simply the lack of good, not a tangible thing, it is not created, so your "God is behind both" statement is irrational.

If you have something, and I take it away from you, have I created a new object called "nothing"? No, of course not, you are just in a state of lacking the something.

Explain how taking something from you creates a new "thing" called nothing.

If good is attributable to God, than evil is also, because evil is not just "the absence of good," as you claim, but the reflection of it. Good is as much the "absence of evil," as evil is the "absence of good." At the end of the day they are two halves of a single whole.

No -- like most Christians, I am not a dualist, so I believe that evil is the absence of good, not the opposite of it. To say that "good is the absence of evil" is mostly semantics, but even that doesn't work, because good is necessary, because of the existence of God, but evil is not, as I showed earlier.

So, I'll ask again: did God create good and evil, or did He not? He could not have only created half.

Again, there is no "half", so your question is irrational.

I am just picking catholicism because there is lots of evidence. If someone belongs to this religion and goes every sunday and gives money to the church. By doing so dont they in some way condone the atrocities of the many popes and what the vatican has done as well as those pedophile priest. It's like if you belonged to the KKK and give them money. Just because you dont lynch someone and burn a cross one someones lawn it doesn't make you innocent.
They say it is all the bad priest or that was ancient history but it is all about the love of Jesus. The latest pope covered up the sexual abuse of kids. The vatican backed the concentration camp Jasenovac in world war 2. There is too many to list what the catholic church has done. So wouldn't a logical person start to think maybe this church isn't what it claims to be and leave. No it seems they turn a blind eye and continue to go to mass. Lambs to lions who did the new atheism thread goes to mass. Maybe it is total denial or they just dont want to know. Maybe it is the brainwashing that causes their brain to shut down when anyone says anything critical of the church. I have seen people just go blank when talking on certain subjects. That is why it is hard to reach or talk in a logical manner with them. It would probably shatter their world if they actually thought.

Originally posted by Malcher
You definitely can be a genius and be bad at math. This should be common knowledge, but for some reason is not.

I am not buying that. But regardless, my point is that no one, much less an uneducated person, should be telling anyone that she has all the answers.

Originally posted by Dynamike
How often do Atheists ridicule or bash Christians? They don't because Atheists are those of us who have enough logic and an ability to discover truths that others are not prudent enough to find. With this amount of intelligence comes such qualities and patience, kindness, understanding of others, and respect.

BWAH HAA HAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaa.. ..
That was awesome.

Ahhh man, seriously, like I don't even know what to do with it.

Absurd argument = you win

reply to post by Dynamike


God has already conquered Evil and is already victorious. However, it is up to mankind to decide if they want to be saved. Why is Satan here? In revelations it is referred to as the Mystery of God.

Evil is in the Human's heart continually. Which is why he will destroy it all with a fire, and cleanse the Universe, not just the Earth.

He is giving mankind time to accept his victory. If you deny him and his victory then you will perish with ALL evil in the lake of fire. He has already won. Satan and Evil is already defeated. However, if he truly ends all Evil, that means you and i go with it. He is giving us an opportunity (time) to recognize we are damned without his gift, salvation.

If you deny the gift, then you will go defeated for God will not allow one hint of Evil or corruption to remain after the Millennium reign. If you have not accepted the sacrifice he has given, his son, then you have denied righteousness and truth; you are corrupt and in rebellion, just like Satan and God will destroy Evil and lock it away for eternity.

Originally posted by randomname

i would make atheism a capital offence as a pre-emptive measure to ensure the survival of the human race.

but unlike what your atheists pals reject, God forbids me to kill, for you to kill and for every single person on earth to kill or harm each other.

edit on 11-12-2012 by randomname because: (no reason given)

one day when this poster dreams about God telling him/her to fight for God
we all know what's gonna happen
and it won't be pretty

reply to post by Blarneystoner

Err... no... God wants you to fix yourself.

Hey that's great, did he happen to mention anything else ?

Personally, I would LOVE to have some sort of epiphany and experience a deity in all its beauty.
Sadly, it hasn't happened.
I've looked everywhere. I've found no evidence of any of the gods.
So until such time that some deity provides me with something tangible, I will remain an unbeliever.
I'm somewhat in awe of those with faith. It's kind of cool. Good luck to them.

But I can't abide any religion. They are all ridiculous to me.
Tax them all.

And I don't have any respect for those who would try to affect laws based on their religious views. That's the most despicable thing in my eyes.

The late Christopher Hitchens often posed the following:
Name one good action that could only have been attributed to a religious person, and could not have been performed by a secular individual.
Now name one despicable action that could only have been performed in the name of religion.

List two gets kind of long very quickly. List one never seems to get made.
Try not to cite anything supernatural.

Originally posted by quietlearner

Originally posted by randomname

i would make atheism a capital offence as a pre-emptive measure to ensure the survival of the human race.

but unlike what your atheists pals reject, God forbids me to kill, for you to kill and for every single person on earth to kill or harm each other.

edit on 11-12-2012 by randomname because: (no reason given)

one day when this poster dreams about God telling him/her to fight for God
we all know what's gonna happen
and it won't be pretty

Amazingly, in the the Old Testament, there's about 2.5 million deaths based on either personal requests from God, or direct involvement. Hardly "forbidding" killing, is he/she/it/3.14?
For the record, I think "The Devil" (who this omnipotent, omniscient, all powerful deity seems so powerless against) is involved in the deaths of about 8 or 9 people.
The Bible, best source of Atheism I've found.

Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by Dynamike

 

God has already conquered Evil and is already victorious. However, it is up to mankind to decide if they want to be saved. Why is Satan here? In revelations it is referred to as the Mystery of God.

Evil is in the Human's heart continually. Which is why he will destroy it all with a fire, and cleanse the Universe, not just the Earth.

He is giving mankind time to accept his victory. If you deny him and his victory then you will perish with ALL evil in the lake of fire. He has already won. Satan and Evil is already defeated. However, if he truly ends all Evil, that means you and i go with it. He is giving us an opportunity (time) to recognize we are damned without his gift, salvation.

If you deny the gift, then you will go defeated for God will not allow one hint of Evil or corruption to remain after the Millennium reign. If you have not accepted the sacrifice he has given, his son, then you have denied righteousness and truth; you are corrupt and in rebellion, just like Satan and God will destroy Evil and lock it away for eternity.

edit on 11-12-2012 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)

Are you threatening me? Or is the all-encompassing love I hear about so often?

If your God is all knowing, then he/she/it/3.14 will see me as someone who live a pretty nice life and sought the truth by using my brain rather than someone who followed ridiculous ideals based on being terrified of eternal torture. If that is all you got - the being terrified of torture - I'm glad I don't spend my time dwelling on it. Sounds like a hideous way to spend my life.

Originally posted by Badgered1
The late Christopher Hitchens often posed the following:
Name one good action that could only have been attributed to a religious person, and could not have been performed by a secular individual.
Now name one despicable action that could only have been performed in the name of religion.

List two gets kind of long very quickly. List one never seems to get made.
Try not to cite anything supernatural.

That's a typically idiotic statement made by the pompous Hitchens.

Here, let me rephrase that for you:

Name one good action that could only have been attributed to a secular person, and could not have been performed by a religious individual.
Now name one despicable action that could only have been performed in the opposition of religion.

Get it?

reply to post by adjensen


If I pull out a gun and shoot a complete stranger, who has a knife held to an infant, am I being "good" or "evil" ?

The action is the same: I shot a stranger who had a knife to an infant. The morality changes though, based on interpretation. Maybe he was going to stab the infant, in which case my action was good. But, maybe he was defending the infant from some threat I did not see, in which case my action was evil.

It is the same action though.

Good and evil are two halves of a single whole, which require our own, personal, subjective morality to interpret.

So, either God is responsible for both possibilities; or it is me, and not God, who is entirely responsible for the action and it's moral outcome. God cannot simply get credit if I did right, but shirk responsibility onto me if I did wrong. That requires special pleading for your God. A logical fallacy.

~ Wandering Scribe

Originally posted by randomname
i would make atheism a capital offence as a pre-emptive measure to ensure the survival of the human race.

but unlike what your atheists pals reject, God forbids me to kill, for you to kill and for every single person on earth to kill or harm each other.

it's the people who reject God, use God's name for evil, or don't believe in God causing all the problems on earth. not the other way around.

Your God sounds like the sober one in a bar who has to stop his drunken arsehole of a friend from getting into fights.

Atheism isn't the threat to the survival of the human race. That would be war, greed, political corruption, changes to the climate, food shortages, act of God 'natural disasters', over-population, asteroids, pulsars, an antibiotic crisis, global pandemics and so on. All these exist outside of any religious/non-religious paradigm.

Originally posted by randomname
but unlike what your atheists pals reject, God forbids me to kill, for you to kill and for every single person on earth to kill or harm each other.

edit on 11-12-2012 by randomname because: (no reason given)

Except when God commands it, as he did numerous times in the bible... and according to the bible, will do again on a global scale.

Originally posted by Dynamike
After reading several posts about Christians judging the recent wave of Atheist movements I began to wonder if they realized how hypocritical it was to cast those judgments.

Our society today is still dominated by the effects of Christianity. The moral code insisted by Christianity still persists in politics in the form of stem cell research control and abortion control. It is still a force in the school teaching of the history of the earth and evolution. It exists in football games, movies, music, money, ceremonies, and even holidays. If that is not enough it is brought to my house by door to door preachers and plastered all over my facebook feeds.

When this permeates our culture so much by those conspiring to force their beliefs on others what are those who break free of ignorance supposed to do?

I dont understand why it is ok for people to post their love of Jesus or God on my facebook without fear of criticism and yet when I try to thumb up a simple logical argument presented by Epicurus (A philosopher born before Jesus) who stated, "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"- Why do I get bashed senselessly by Christians?

How often do Atheists ridicule or bash Christians? They don't because Atheists are those of us who have enough logic and an ability to discover truths that others are not prudent enough to find. With this amount of intelligence comes such qualities and patience, kindness, understanding of others, and respect.

What kind of oppression has Atheism brought upon our society? It has not. Atheism is not about oppression but about release of the mind bound by the constraints set by our forefathers who sought to enslave himself. There are laws prohibiting the physical slavery of other humans, When will there be laws prohibiting the mental slavery? It must first start with us.

No matter if you are Christian or Atheist we need to show respect for each other. Stop trying to bind each other in your beliefs hoping to change mankind on a whole. It will never happen at once. The information that everyone seeks is out there on the web. Let everyone decide for themselves what they believe. Because who knows, maybe Atheists AND Christians are both wrong. Maybe there is no God, Christians; Maybe there is a God, Atheists. Maybe the answer is us. Maybe we are God. And as such maybe we should act how you would imagine a God should.

Short Answer:

Yep.

Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
reply to post by adjensen

 

If I pull out a gun and shoot a complete stranger, who has a knife held to an infant, am I being "good" or "evil" ?

The action is the same: I shot a stranger who had a knife to an infant. The morality changes though, based on interpretation. Maybe he was going to stab the infant, in which case my action was good. But, maybe he was defending the infant from some threat I did not see, in which case my action was evil.

It is the same action though.

Good and evil are two halves of a single whole, which require our own, personal, subjective morality to interpret.

So, either God is responsible for both possibilities; or it is me, and not God, who is entirely responsible for the action and it's moral outcome. God cannot simply get credit if I did right, but shirk responsibility onto me if I did wrong. That requires special pleading for your God. A logical fallacy.

~ Wandering Scribe

Well...there you go being coherent again.

Didn't anybody tell you that it works better if you just jump up and down and scream "Hallelujah!!" at the top of your lungs ??

reply to post by Badgered1


hehehehehehehhehehehe

"he/she/it/3.14"

Personally...I've always felt that IF we all really had a SkyDaddy the proper pronoun would be:

reply to post by randomname

i would make atheism a capital offence as a pre-emptive measure to ensure the survival of the human race.

Now this just made me incredibly sad. To live to see that people entertain this train of thought. What the hell is
going on. Is this candid camera?

And you have Internet access? My god. We are all doomed.

Flawless Logic Proving Atheists Are Hypocrites

Atheists are blindly hypocritical, I can prove it.

Atheists say they don't believe in faith.

Atheists say they don't believe in the supernatural.

Atheists say they don't believe in the paranormal.

Atheists say God does not exist.

Atheists say they believe in science.

Atheists say God is not in any corner of the entire universe.

Atheists say God is not in any corner of all the dimensions.

Atheists can't possibly know what is in every corner of the entire universe because science does not know.

Atheists can't possibly know what is in every corner of all the dimensions because science does not know.

Therefore atheists have 'faith' that God is not in any corner of the entire universe.

Therefore atheists have 'faith' that God is not in any corner of all the dimensions.

Therefore atheists believe in the 'supernatural' power that allows them to know what is in every corner of the entire
universe.

Therefore atheists believe in the 'supernatural' power that allows them to know what is in every corner of all the
dimensions.

Therefore atheists believe in the 'paranormal' ability that allows them to see in every corner of the entire universe.

Therefore atheists believe in the 'paranormal' ability that allows them to see in every corner of all the dimensions.

Science does not believe in the 'paranormal' power of knowing what is in every corner of the entire universe.

Science does not believe in the 'paranormal' ability of knowing what is in every corner of all the dimensions.

Science does not believe in the 'supernatural' power of seeing what is in every corner of the entire universe.

Science does not believe in the 'supernatural' power of seeing what is in every corner of all the dimensions.

Science does not believe in the 'faith' that God is not in any corner of the entire universe.

Science does not believe in the 'faith' that God is not in any corner of all the dimensions.

Science is un-biased, science does not say God does not exist, when & only when science has scoured every corner of the entire universe & all of its dimensions, only then will science know & see, only then will science declare if God exists or not.

Atheists are biased, atheists do not believe in science, atheism is a faith, a belief, a claim of knowing something
that science does not know.

--- By Razimus on 12/12/12