The "I Told You So" Thread You May Never Read!

reply to post by wrdwzrd


The modern Maya have as much knowledge of Classic period Mayan beliefs as you or me. With the arrival of the Christians the traditional beliefs were altered to be more in line with Christianity. As a result there aren't any living Maya that can read the ancient language and as a result the ancient beliefs. That is why we must rely on scholars. They are the ones who can actually translate these writings and put them in the context of the Classic period Maya.

reply to post by badnickname


so you are saying the magnetic poles will shift.....based on crap, and I should give you a medal..?...when you don't even know that we are in a NOTEWORTHY solar minimum..?..

That should be your concern, not some BS about the sun spewing "huge" eruptions...No. it is not. That might be a problem...but it does not support the crap you read on random sites about poles shifting.....

Go to science journals, academic papers, ect....and I will respect it. Give me nonsense you think is "wisdom" and I will still call it your wise nonsense.

The poles I was discussing were not physical poles, but magnetic poles

There isn't a single cult involved with anything I even remotely suggested as a possible event

P.S. I dont even believe in "an event", and if you understood my posts you would realize this

And yes, you think the "event" will be a magnetic pole shift...

BS.

reply to post by badnickname

Your commentary really needs to be a new thread as there are so many truths/ideas
incorporated your replies. The zero effect field whether magnetic/energetic does hold the memory of activities and thoughts by humans. The explosion of interest and the amount of emotion the 21st holds plus plus internet
activity surrounding it could well be the ultimate tipping point for the raising of human conciousness in one
big (boink sound here) event; (thats the noise of something reallypowerfullterrible; and with great humor ripping something else).

Nice scholarship.

To sum up the believers in this thread:

"Rapidly unfolding events are scary. Human progress is scary. I don't understand how science progresses. People keep saying something will happen on 12/21/2012 and so now I feel it too. It's all so confusing. Therefore it must be caused by some predestined/spiritual/alien power. That makes me feel either less afraid, or more special because I possess knowledge that others do not. I feel special sharing my ideas."

Sounds about right.

People want some thing to happen.
and when nothing happens?
people will get very depres't and suicides will shoot up.

people are sick of the way the world is.
we are slaves to money and the rich.
it would be very easy to end money and have a free world.
but the rich can Not let this happen.
even you are scared of it. why?

you have have all your needs met!
you would only need to work 20 hours a week.
and after 20 years no one needs work at all.

you are all programed with greed!
and made stupid with TV soaps and Sport.

Perhaps, the Mayans made this date well known so we could change our course. Perhaps, events would happen on the 21st if we didn't know about the Mayan Calendar...now we do. So why would Iran attack, they would be the ones basically in charge of ending the world that was predicted for this day. It seems kind of irrational.

But on the other side, I could see it being a big false flag attempt. I always TPTB would easily take advantage of the date.

And yes, other cultures have talked about this date. My old boss was Hindu and she told me that also believed it as well, but they only believed 1/3 of the population would be destroyed, not everyone.

reply to post by resuwen


The Maya didn't make a big deal about this date. There are only two differences to the date and they refer to different things. Also there is no emphasis placed on this date in Hinduism. There is a branch that I suppose could technically be considered Hindu in origin, although it bears more similarity to the New Age movement, that appeared in the second half of the 20th century that claims December 21, 2012 is an important date. However, to get to this point they had to drastically alter Hindu beliefs, including adding a Yuga that doesn't appear in any scripture and pushing the date back a number of times. If we go with traditional Hindu beliefs it will be tens of thousands of years before the current Yuga ends.

reply to post by honested3

There hasnt been any date like this before

The Internet was not so prolific as before or technology for that matter...things that are the mundane suddenly become interesting points that people debate about (or rant) over the internet on sites like ATS.

Might as well make something of it; let's all go streaking!

...And thus it was revealed that we are indeed naked under all this frivolous clothing. It was cold.

I've been a lurker on this website for about 10 years and I have to say, that I've only posted twice, this being my second.

A quote I'd love to apply to this entire 12/21/12 stuff is as follows

There is a line where this needs to stop. We have clearly passed it.

I'm sorry but all the new-agey desire for our chi-fields to synchronize with the space chalupa field needs to stop. Ever think that perpetuating this nonsense has done very real serious damage to people? More than any fake cosmic event will?

I'm not saying an Extinction level event isn't possible. It is, we could all die right this second for no reason via total existence failure. What I am saying, though, is that there is no hard evidence for this. There's a lot of hearsay and youtube videos. Some native guy in traditional garb is about as verifiable as saying a toilet brush is an expert in plumbing. Maybe big changes are coming, but I guarantee it has nothing to do with an ancient calendar and people's desire for something interesting to happen.

Not trying to be offensive to anyone, but, please, stop. This is as rediculous as the bible code nonsense, the mormon judgement day that repeatedly failed, the countless other doomsday predictions. The world itself WILL end some day, but it won't be in 3 weeks.

Originally posted by honested3
It frustrates me when people say nothing will happen at all, and that nothing will ever happen at all, and etc, yet how long have all of us been here on this planet for? probably no more than a few decades if any. Some folks say, "it is arrogant and foolish to believe something will happen." I am saying then it is arrogant and foolish to believe something wont happen.

We have written records far longer than any personal lifetime. For myself, I've been around a half a century and seen a LOT of alleged doomsdays come and go. On most days nothing of tremendous significance happens. The probability is that will also describe Dec. 21.

Originally posted by honested3
So many cultures, ancient cultures that is, have put significance on this date, deep down many of us feel something about that date, something unusual not felt before. How many thousands of years, even hundreds of years have we lived on this planet to say by experience nothing will happen? Few of us are even that old at all really, from what I gather our age ranges from 20-60, so thats not a whole lot of experience on earth to know for a fact Dec 21st will just be another day.

What ancient cultures? It's only the Mayans and there is debate as to whether the date is even is right. The rest has been made up by 2012 theorists and the media.

reply to post by zedVSzardoz


Were you reading every other word this individual posted (minus the vowels)? How can you not know that the sun is in great activity at this moment? You have no arguement not even one that is intended to poke/jab into fresh thinking or requiring the slightest bit of imagination. This commentary is a jewel for those whom understand it. If so not concerned or so concerned about the activity surrounding this potencial event why bother to harmlessly/harmfully post your thoughts laughable?

reply to post by honested3

Something is always happening of the farthest reaching significance and importance. What we need to do is to simply catch up to the truth and the reality that we already are and were made to experience in the fullness of time and history, that's the Eschaton at the end of time and history, or the inheritance prepared for us from before the very foundation of the world. It's the joy of the wedding feast and the consumation of the spiritual nature of both God and mankind, conjoined together as a spirit of both truth and reason and of a spirit of love, and compassionate understanding and awareness, but any such thing does not and will not come by expectation as if from somewhere outside ourselves because it is the knowledge of experience.

This is what it means to be wise in having one's lamp adequately filled with oil, trimmed and ready when the voice fo the Bridegroom is heard approaching.

The hard hearted will miss it of course, and for them all that remains is sorrow, and for the rest it is a time of great joy and celebration as we walk boldly across a bridge into everlasting freedom who's very keystone was laid both for us and by one among us with the courage to perform the Great Work of all Ages.

And against the rock of truth and reason and logic, everything that's either absurd or utterly ignorance and foolish will perish, including the innermost being of the hard hearted and the fool who did not recognize his maker and his true stature in the creation as a sacred being, but instead considered himself and others nothing but "things" or at best mere animals lacking in any real and authentic freedom - and therein is the line and the distinguishing point of separation by which the sheep are separated from the goats according to a just and infinitely wise judgement who'se highest standard is love as the love of God for Christ and of Christ for us and we for him and for one another in kind. You either have it (the oil) or you do not. Woe to those who are not prepared and blessed are they who hold a open mind and heart towards the final object of all our hopes and dreams. Blessed are those who dance and sing and who have the courage to playfully co-create and to share the love with others. As to those who are left, we must recognize that their hearts cannot be revivified and so, sadly, and joyfully, we must leave the dead to bury their dead and move on and into a new domain of possibility and into the nexus of psychological and spiritual transformation for the human being ie: beyond the threshold of the coming of the kingdom of God / heaven.

There are two worlds, one is already dead and dying and the other is a world just waiting to be born and will be born, because there is no stopping evolution which is now as much or moreso a spiritual and psychological realization than it is a change in phylos/form.

There are many "I told you so's" out there who sadly will not appreciate the irony it all. Imagine the sorrow and the disappointment of missing out on the new beginning of a new world of possibility, and instead of being part of the solution being counted only among the cynical POV which forms the very problem that needs solving. What sorrow awaits some and what utter joy awaits others. There's a line coming, if it's not already here. Be prepared.

Many of you who read this will think I am an idiot, but I know there will be many who read this and agree with me, but are too afraid of what the "intellectuals" might say of them. Listen to what your heart is telling you people, we have no other date like this and never will in our lifetimes again.

reply to post by honested3


I don't think people are ever "afraid" of what intellectuals might say of them. It's never stopped anyone before and the reality is we are physical and spiritual beings, even science is coming to terms with that.

I am not sure if the date you speak of is important and I am a fairly intuitive person. I know events seem to be moving at a rapid rate and change is happening all over the world. I feel all these things quite profoundly yet that particular date holds no significance for me whatsoever.

It may be a catalyst for some event or many, it may be nothing at all. If something does happen, and lets face it; "Something happens every day". Depending on the scale of the event people probably couldn't care less about I told you so's. At some point, we have to live the lives we were given, not in fear of the abstract and intangible and do the best we can with what we've got.

So call me stark raving mad if you will, but I cannot see any significance in the date other than it is just another day for any number of particular events to happen in. I am not sure how that differs from any other day in the history of history.

If the sun comes up, Something happened. If you open your eyes something happened. There will be car crashes, sink holes, earth quakes, tsunamis and something happened. These things happen around the world all the time. Are they significant? Sure, to the person who lost their home, or family or town. Children are going hungry....not just in third world countries anymore. Here in the land of plenty! Society fails because the model is flawed, economies collapse, dictatorships rise. Socialism is rife where once capitalism ran rampant.

All I can say if a Force Majeure is coming....Bring it on! We will pick up the pieces and maybe just maybe the next time round we can do it better.

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reply to post by honested3

that's because it is an intuitive thing and that's why some people can't or won't get it. the ones who get it will start or begin to live their lives having a new perspective on our place in the cosmos. and this will lead to new habits and traits, although I don't see it making anything better if evil and suffering are still abundant. whatever it is, it has to affect everybody around the globe to the same degree or else it is just more news. Tsunami in Japan sure as hell was an apocalypse for those poor people and those still suffering from it, their lives sure as hell changed for good, their lives were stripped away in an instant, yet the rest of the world goes on with the same daily grind. the problem is if the "event" is too cataclysmic what's the sense because then we're sent back to the stone age shooting squirrels with bbguns. Once we all lose contact we are right back spiritually where we were in the middle ages or worse. I don't get what the great lesson was. Do we just naturally advance as a civilization only to get blasted back to being filthy self-destructive greedy pigs every thousand years or so whether we "deserve it" or not? How are good people and bad people going to be identified? Is there a reward for being good?

personally I hope to see us all wake up the next morning and find to our surprise a little device that is basically a genie that grants us every wish we desire except the ability to hurt anyone and actually the genie tortures you for eternity if you even suggest hurting someone against their wishes. Other than that you are now able to do whatever you want any time you want and to be completely self-sufficient and self-determined. Watch how the illusory matrix crumbles as everyone is suddenly able to fully become who they wish with no form of coercion from anyone or any group.

reply to post by Isee1111

I said what I said and you either get it or you don't. It's not unreasonable though, if you take the time to read it and to try to grasp what I'm driving at.

There are two types of people in the world, and two worlds, and one is already dead and the other alive or in the process of revivifying.

And the line of demarcation or of differentiation or distinction between the two is getting ever more clear and pronounced, until there's a point of separation between those who are alive (wholly authentic) and those who really don't have much a a heart or soul ie: don't give a crap.

It's a matter of the orientation of or the arrow of one's heart - how's that for straightforward and simple?

reply to post by Isee1111


I been feeling it since i was a child, way before i even heard of 2012..

reply to post by Isee1111

Let me be even more clear.

There is a fine but very distinct line between holiness, and assholiness, and between a kind heart and a hard heart, and the final result of that process of distinction leads to either sorrow and despair and hopelessness, or utter joy and a predisposition towards hope and optimism.

The cynic is a loser and loses everything, and the optimist the only active participant in the creative process.

One is dead in the water, the other alive or in a process of transformation of some kind according to the pull of the oughtness of the isness of being.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


There are two worlds that people can belong to? Can they change which world if they believe hard enough? What if someone is awakened but wants to go back to being selfish? What if I believe in part of what you're saying, but think the rest is wrong, how do I fit in?

Life isn't black or white, good or bad, spiritually awakened or forever close-minded. It sounds like you want to be part of something special, and have built up an elaborate story to try to back it up.