What are the world Governments getting ready for. I have the field narrowed down!

Originally posted by Cherryontop

New_Here "Agreed. But you know what I can't resolve in my mind? Why is the seed bank in Greenland when all signs point to the 'Power Club' residing south of the equator? " The only reason I can think of is that it would be extremely difficult to get to and would not be devoured by the starving, out of control plebs as they die off.

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What if there is more than one seed bank.
Logic tells you not to store all your eggs in one basket.
Betcha there's several, but you'll never know where the other ones are located.

I agree completely. Many underground shelters would have seed banks, perhaps just not as complete as the one in Norway. Additionally Mother Nature seems to be able to deal with this quite well. The destruction required to take out the Dinosaurs must have been massive and yet here we are, lots of animals and plants.

I would not be surprised is the seed bank in Norway was a hedge against GMO.

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Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
While most people had their eyes on 2012 as being the year to worry about, I was told many years ago that 2013 would be that year. We are heading in to a complete police state and by 2014, after a series of false flag shootings and massacres, there will be a cry for disarmament. Mark my words. It will be so terrible, that the mentality about guns in our country will shift and they will use social media to influence the masses. As it is now, I see many disinfo agents on the net all across the board, posting that if you want guns, then you are equal to a person like "Jared Loughner" or "Eric and Dylan" (Columbine). I truly believe the dark knight shootings, the temple shooting is just the tip of the iceburg on this game they are playing. And many are going to fall for it, by the time they get done next year and 2014.

Never gonna happen.

There are MILLIONS of gun owners who will NEVER disarm. Official "gun turn ins" or door to door collections is all it will take for millions of Americans to realize the tipping point has occured. A "civil action" will be the result.
Our own military, by and large, will not participate in a disamrament action. Neither will law dnforcement. The only other option is UN or foreign troops. Few will stand for that.

Originally posted by Phoenix
Great OP!

Recognizing patterns and gaining intuitive answers based on little or very limited information is something I know very well and is second nature. In my youth I ignored at my peril and as I aged I learned to trust those gifts. My general experience is one where I have to be patient as those without the gift must arrive where I am in thought much more slowly and with much more "proof" for a given idea or subject. Many times I wait years for individuals to arrive at the right place, right time.

The Chinese building unoccupied cities makes no sense other than getting ready for massive migration not that far off. You cannot build these and have a twenty year plan or even shorter when one considers what it takes to maintain a city occupied or not. Water, sewer and utility systems degrade quickly without use and constant maintenance. Electrical distributions systems corrode and are particularly dangerous to just waltz in and energize without extensive testing and maintenance. Minor construction defects un-noticed in an unoccupied building much less a city turn into major problems that could make buildings unlivable. In the savings and loan crisis back in the 80's it took months of rehab for individual office building to come back online once economy improved. I personally know of several that were torn down as they deteriorated over a four year period unoccupied and virtually unattended - these were brand new buildings!

Because of the resources required to maintain a city unoccupied it really negates any economic argument regarding future investment or intent due to cost and resources needed and points to a shorter term need as yet un-identified.

Russia's well founded paranoia of foreign invasion coupled with "motherland" instinct in the nuclear age did for a long time explain massive civil defense infrastructure. From what can be gleaned they have far surpassed any continuity of government and favored populance needs heading towards insane spending in a country still in need of improvement of daily life for the general population. Again seemingly missdirected resource's based on apparent need.

Finally the U.S. Which has been spending to oblivion and has no intention of slowing, on the contrary it seems to want acceleration of spending as if it knows the obligations are really meaningless and never will be paid back.

One could infer from the OP's example as well as my summary that something bad comes this way. What is "it" seems to be the question at hand.

I negate these,
1. Global thermonuclear war, because it will also contaminate southern hemisphere.
2. New ice age (don't doubt that and believe its coming) just has to long of a period to occur.
3. NWO takeover, preparations made point to fear and retrenchment not opposition.

I believe these are possibilities,
1. Limited nuclear war, planned or not, but forseen as inevitable result of proliferation.
2. Asteroid/Comet strike from north polar plain of solar system (explains) northern hemisphere evacuations.
3. Known and predictable worldwide economic collapse rsulting in widespread anarchy.
4. Known CME from sun with high probabilty of occurance.

Of course there are many other disasters which can occur but criteria must be global in effect and have something like 5 year window or shorter period to occur.

I have two ways of thinking, there are those things I have no control over happening and there are those which are well in my control.

I sit here today and say, I can only use knowledge of those things I cannot control to be ready as I can be and respond the best of my abilities.

Of those things I do control, I can only plan for myself and my children by doing the absolute best I can planning for the outcome of many possible events.

Hope that makes good sense,

Phoenix

Very well thought out reply. I would add a few comments if I may.

I concur with your thoughts on the Chinese Cities. You are absolutely correct on a cities maintenance requirements. For the average person, they may need a tradesman now and again and od not see it as important. Just consider the amount of people within a city that do repairs is just staggering.

Please don't negate an ice age so quickly. We are not talking about thousand of years, we are considering a short time event of a few years and these have happened in recorded history. For me, 535AD comes to mind. The result of that one was the period known as the Dark Ages.

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Originally posted by jlafleur02

Originally posted by jlafleur02
Maybe the global elites are paranoid just like everyone on this site. We sit here and say " look at what they are building and what they are doing. They must know something because they are so smart". I don't think they are that smart. They might be just like us and over reacting. They have screwed up everything so far. Why are we giving them so much credit?

Also maybe we should check into who is making all the money off of this. Maybe they are pushing the idea on the "Elite genius world rulers" who are building these areas? I personally believe it is just another scam to get us to give our money to someone else through the use of fear and scare tactics. I mean really, if there is a SHTF scenario in which the elite know about, and they all know, then the amount of people, scientist, etc. is so vast that it is more likely that a meteor would hit the earth than having not one of those people give out the hard proof that it is coming. If you knew about it and had evidence wouldn't you at least try to tell the world?

People do try and tell the world, their message gets lost in the mire of disinformation and torn apart by the dis-information agents. In extreme cases they are silenced>

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Originally posted by pheonix358

Originally posted by jlafleur02

Originally posted by jlafleur02
Maybe the global elites are paranoid just like everyone on this site. We sit here and say " look at what they are building and what they are doing. They must know something because they are so smart". I don't think they are that smart. They might be just like us and over reacting. They have screwed up everything so far. Why are we giving them so much credit?

Also maybe we should check into who is making all the money off of this. Maybe they are pushing the idea on the "Elite genius world rulers" who are building these areas? I personally believe it is just another scam to get us to give our money to someone else through the use of fear and scare tactics. I mean really, if there is a SHTF scenario in which the elite know about, and they all know, then the amount of people, scientist, etc. is so vast that it is more likely that a meteor would hit the earth than having not one of those people give out the hard proof that it is coming. If you knew about it and had evidence wouldn't you at least try to tell the world?

People do try and tell the world, their message gets lost in the mire of disinformation and torn apart by the dis-information agents. In extreme cases they are silenced>

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I don't believe that with the internet and the ease of info distribution that no one has any concrete evidence. With your logic that means everything on the internet is controlled by the global elite. If it wasn't your statement is false.

Originally posted by davjan4

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
While most people had their eyes on 2012 as being the year to worry about, I was told many years ago that 2013 would be that year. We are heading in to a complete police state and by 2014, after a series of false flag shootings and massacres, there will be a cry for disarmament. Mark my words. It will be so terrible, that the mentality about guns in our country will shift and they will use social media to influence the masses. As it is now, I see many disinfo agents on the net all across the board, posting that if you want guns, then you are equal to a person like "Jared Loughner" or "Eric and Dylan" (Columbine). I truly believe the dark knight shootings, the temple shooting is just the tip of the iceburg on this game they are playing. And many are going to fall for it, by the time they get done next year and 2014.

Never gonna happen.

There are MILLIONS of gun owners who will NEVER disarm. Official "gun turn ins" or door to door collections is all it will take for millions of Americans to realize the tipping point has occured. A "civil action" will be the result.
Our own military, by and large, will not participate in a disamrament action. Neither will law dnforcement. The only other option is UN or foreign troops. Few will stand for that.

On the other, when society falls apart, all those people shooting at each other, at LEO and anyone else that they need to defend themselves against, will only add to the species reduction. So, is all this talk of reducing gun ownership a red herring?

I suggest that the US Government knows how impossible the task is. Taking guns from a single individual or small group is quite feasible. From everyone, not so much!

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ETA, read my 2nd signature.

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How many times on ATS have you seen 'Pics or it didn't happen', 'Those are photo-shopped', 'Yea, my baby brother could make up that in 5 minutes'

Getting information out there is as easy as you think, getting it believed is another matter entirely.

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Originally posted by pheonix358

Originally posted by davjan4

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
While most people had their eyes on 2012 as being the year to worry about, I was told many years ago that 2013 would be that year. We are heading in to a complete police state and by 2014, after a series of false flag shootings and massacres, there will be a cry for disarmament. Mark my words. It will be so terrible, that the mentality about guns in our country will shift and they will use social media to influence the masses. As it is now, I see many disinfo agents on the net all across the board, posting that if you want guns, then you are equal to a person like "Jared Loughner" or "Eric and Dylan" (Columbine). I truly believe the dark knight shootings, the temple shooting is just the tip of the iceburg on this game they are playing. And many are going to fall for it, by the time they get done next year and 2014.

Never gonna happen.

There are MILLIONS of gun owners who will NEVER disarm. Official "gun turn ins" or door to door collections is all it will take for millions of Americans to realize the tipping point has occured. A "civil action" will be the result.
Our own military, by and large, will not participate in a disamrament action. Neither will law dnforcement. The only other option is UN or foreign troops. Few will stand for that.

On the other, when society falls apart, all those people shooting at each other, at LEO and anyone else that they need to defend themselves against, will only add to the species reduction. So, is all this talk of reducing gun ownership a red herring?

I suggest that the US Government knows how impossible the task is. Taking guns from a single individual or small group is quite feasible. From everyone, not so much!

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ETA, read my 2nd signature.

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On the contrary... taking from the individual is near impossible. Imagine going door to door 10,000,000+ times.

"what guns? Don't have any. Sold them all to some guy for cash".

Smiles. Sitt'n on that sack of ammo...

Originally posted by Happy1
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Look into how much land the chinese have bought in the USA, for cities for workers, how much farm land in the USA - Iowa and west - they have also built these "ghost cities" in China.

When the "prince" or next in command visited USA this past year, Obama and the chinaman went from Washington DC to Iowa. Why Iowa? Who ever visits Iowa?

Look also at the "naval map" in earth changes, It's been there for at least 15 years, based on Cayce?

Makes Iowa a port state to the Gulf of Mexico.

I wish I had time to put these things together in a coherent fashion, but I work, and I live with men and boys, and dogs. Alot of cleaning up to do and food preparation, if you know what I mean, in between internet looks.

I really appreciate ATS and the info, therein.

America was infiltrated decades ago by the enemies of freedom and they have worked their way into our government our schools and our culture. It was a bloodless coo. They have divided up America among the supposed victors. China one of our biggest creditors has dibs on Iowa and many other areas. We have all sorts of foreign troops stashed all over the country under the guise of joint training. We have been sold out.

The only thing stopping them from outright subjugating us is despite the prevailing sheeple mentality even the sheep know we are supposed to be a free country born in liberty. That one tradition of liberty and freedom alone along with 150 million guns in the hands of the population would cause a massive revolt if they try to come out completely in the open so they have been nickle and diming us to death and it's taking longer then they figured.

So my guess is they are planing some major incident to use to finish the job and finish dividing the country up among themselves this is why they are getting more and more open about it. This is why ATS etc has more and more socialist/commie wannabes that come on here and argue endlessly with patriots and call it "A new kind of freedom"

Originally posted by spoogemonkey


How about a pandemic?

They have already tried this. It did not go over as well as they hoped it would, and there are still large populations of people refusing to take their flu shot. If they go with this again, it will have to be something on a much grander scale.

www.youtube.com...

i suggest that we all watch this video a list of fema camps has been verified and released i don't know what the government is getting ready for but fema obviously has something huge planned!!

Originally posted by davjan4

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
While most people had their eyes on 2012 as being the year to worry about, I was told many years ago that 2013 would be that year. We are heading in to a complete police state and by 2014, after a series of false flag shootings and massacres, there will be a cry for disarmament. Mark my words. It will be so terrible, that the mentality about guns in our country will shift and they will use social media to influence the masses. As it is now, I see many disinfo agents on the net all across the board, posting that if you want guns, then you are equal to a person like "Jared Loughner" or "Eric and Dylan" (Columbine). I truly believe the dark knight shootings, the temple shooting is just the tip of the iceburg on this game they are playing. And many are going to fall for it, by the time they get done next year and 2014.

Never gonna happen.

There are MILLIONS of gun owners who will NEVER disarm. Official "gun turn ins" or door to door collections is all it will take for millions of Americans to realize the tipping point has occured. A "civil action" will be the result.
Our own military, by and large, will not participate in a disamrament action. Neither will law dnforcement. The only other option is UN or foreign troops. Few will stand for that.

Those who refuse, will be forced, and the rest will willingly comply because of the horrible massacres. I'm talking about something on a HUGE scale. That theater shooting was nothing compared to what will take place. Going door to door? Perhaps. It's not something that's going to happen overnight, I truly believe we are going to be disarmed. You have disarm the population in order to control it, and how do you control it? Fear.

Look how many willing souls lined up for a swine flu shot. That should tell you something there.

The correct choice would be to construct those cities someplace in America and not allow cars except for commercial vehicles for export. The gross domestic product would be false food. 50 million cars would be taken off the roads while millions of people are chosen nationwide by the use of a lottery system, if applied.

The coastline cities are demolished in some cases to create what is a peaceful self sufficient country. The cities would cost billions of dollars but when people see the plan actually works what it will cost will not be an issue.

The people are taken out of the city and put into the cities. I think people would be happy to move into the cities.

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Point taken, nice reply. As an Aussie I suppose I am restrained by the silly bureaucratic BS we have to go through. I have seen other replies such as, 'lost them overboard on a fishing trip.'

Good point. Thanks.

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I'm with you on the mini ice age, seems like all signs are pointing to it. Any idea on how rapid it would advance from the north? I guess it would take a few years, so enough for smart people to move to southern warmer climates. The last mini ice age still had serious ice flows over the northern parts of the globe, some areas it was at least a mile thick!

I have been meaning to move to warmer climates, might need to revisit that idea again.

Fascinating thread. A primer on all the conspiracy theories.

My $0.02 Something is happening energetically. Anticipation is palpable. A new age is being born slowly and not without the accompanying birthing pain.

I had a vision during meditation several years ago. I saw and felt the suffering of all living things on this planet in a condensed moment of light. Not that everything died in one moment but that my perception of history occurred in a moment, as if to experience a century in one moment. The suffering took place over a long period of time. Nearly everything dies. Of course we know life doesn't really die, it simply changes. Still, in my vision, it didn't happen in moment of an asteroid impact or massive flu or massacre. It was a slow degeneration of everything (combination of weather/earth catastrophes, famine, war, illness, etc) and the consequential suffering. Slow, meaning over a 100 years or more (not very slow on the cosmic scale). The suffering I felt/saw had me bawling my eyes out it was so overwhelming.

So, not one thing, but many over many years.

I've never understood the population control conspiracy theories. The elite rich need masses of working poorer people. Without them, they are not elite nor rich. They may cull the herd but not so obviously as in the past and not so noticeably large either. If they know an asteroid is coming it would be tough to keep it a secret given the internet. Chaos from the destruction from sun flares is probably what scares the elite rich most: lost profits. The flu shot is simply a profit stream, cheap low grade crap that is not good for you, but not nanobots.

As for me. I'll be in a commercial plane on Dec 21 to escape from NYC and live in crazy AZ.
Why? why not? Only to escape the soon to be even higher cost of living in NYC and enjoy some sun.

Why would anyone want to survive any kind of mass destruction anything? Why are people storing up stuff? If it's that bad, they will just spend their last days/months/coupleyearsatbest in fear, isolation and suffering. It's not like things would get all that better by the time your food stores run out or your bullets. Hoarding honey/gasoline/cannedfood? So someone can shoot me for it? Nah, if anything really big happens, I hope to be at ground zero.

Most likely, we will just continue to watch more fukushima/katrina/sandy/tsunami/sunflare/wars type events over the years with more frequency while still watching election results as if that mattered and your grandkids will be posting new/rehashed/upgraded conspiracy theories to keep the tradition going. They might be using illegally refurbished computers running on solar but... A slow degeneration, not a dramatic day after tomorrow scale.

I believe. Are they watching? Sure, like a biologist observing an ant colony.

I truly believe this is also coming:

In my dream, everyone in the city was being sprayed with chemicals

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Please forgive me if someone has already mentioned this, Unfortunately I don't have enough free time to read all of the posts in this thread, and do not know of a way to search just one thread,

Anyway, for the past 21 months the Fukushima disaster has been pouring radiation into the Pacific Ocean and the Jet-Stream is carrying fallout all around the Northern Hemisphere. There seems to be no end in site, and should the Spent Fuel Pool of Unit 4 leak and they are unable to cool it the spent fuel rods will catch fire in open air and they will have no way to put it out. This would spread so much nuclear fallout throughout the Northern Hemisphere that it will become uninhabitable.

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Bio-weapons failed? Even if you don't consider aids a bio-weapon, consider the Native Americans...... and those blankets they were given. And this was the ancestors of the people running the show today in the good old USA. Believe me........ that is always a real possibility. They've already done it more than once.

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What's really happening is that the US is about to turn over the "Policing" of the Middle East to China by turning its back as China nukes India, and Iran and overruns the area with Communist hords . This will keep Continental Europe"bottled up" - a duty that was for the British Empire in the 19th Century and the "Policing" dutifully taken up by the USA in the 20th Century.Keeping the "Continent " in its place has eliminated any competition on the World Scene as long as Germany does not unite with Russia(Hitler's Dream).The US , the UK and China will then possess three quarters or more of the world's wealth.