The greatest horror - transdimensional alien ecology.

reply to post by ProperlyErrant


You neglect to factor in observation from multiple independent sources that can verify replication or failure of replication. Further, any sufficient observations in a properly designed study would be monitored using various sensing equipment apparatus of differing sensitivities with redundancies and tertiary fail overs for full spectra coverage of any observable event across the entire range of known observable spectrum.

Make fun all you will, but, now you're just trying to play Calvin Ball:

Originally posted by ProperlyErrant

Originally posted by NotAnAspie

No, it's not an octopus, it's not an alien.... it's me you're talking about. Do you really think you're going to influence my thoughts on my own et parasites and consciousnesses,,, however many they have?

edit on 28-11-2012 by NotAnAspie because: (no reason given)

So, are you "me" or are you "they" (you being "they", or "they" being the ET parasite you referred to in your slightly difficult to understand and skewed-context question?)

See, look what the Octopussies are doing to you! Everyone hide and chew on a pillow!!

edit on 28-11-2012 by ProperlyErrant because: (no reason given)

Me as in a human host. He says the human host of these things have irreparable issues and I wonder how many people on this board that covers.

None of this is coming from me, it's coming from the Octopus.

YES! I have a serious problem with this.

It makes me wonder what type of behavior I would need to engage in to be considered human again by the likes of someone who's trying to sell a bigger whopper than burger king.

Apparently I'm subject to these likes somehow. I'm not comfortable with this.

I want my personhood back, thanks. At this point I'm not even choosy about what species of person as long as I can at least be distinguished as my own separate person.... not that I don't have fantasies about having alien life forms stuck to me and all, it just goes with the territory of being in a symbiotic parasitic alien relationship I guess.... I just thought my preferences were still my own, you know.

Talk about ruining my date nights and rendezvous...just when I was getting used to having multiple thought waves in my head somebody's gotta come along and tell me it's a "hard octopus" and that I'm no longer me because it's permanently attached to my head.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
I wish I didn't read it all but the last bit here..
40,000 year old shamanic tradition knows what it really is, well seeing that the oldest evidence of shamans is about 12 thousand years old, I call BS.
Good story though.

edit on 27-11-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

WTF do YOU think the other shamans were doing 250,000 yrs ago Monkey Boy?
The facts remain that the shamans have abilities/insights we have not as yet put into scientific terms....(though its possible we may)
'___' is a little more complex a molecule that one cannot dismiss so easily......
And yes there are many things whch exist far beyond the perception of the mere five basic senses.....far more than what these merely physical senses could ever percieve.
Thanks OP for the peek into the otherworld....s&f

reply to post by stirling



I agree that Shamans have tapped into the wild inner workings of the human consciousness (through meditation and drugs), but I don't think they have special powers, nor do I think they found other dimensions.

The human subconscious and the deep inner workings of the brain can be a strange place, but I think anything found within your own mind is really only in your own mind.

I think it is more like Timothy Leary's experiments with the expansion of consciousness through the use of '___'. I'm sure Dr. Leary experienced some wild stuff coming from his own brain, but I don't think he "ascended the astral plane" or anything like that. He just turned on some wild deep-down brain activity -- not special powers, but just weird experiences.

So there are invisible mind eating octopuses which can only be seen or even tangibly experienced by self-proclaimed seers and shamans who see things that no one else can and have no way of verifying anything they've experienced?

You know what, I think I'll just leave it at that. But I think I'm going to sleep just as well.

reply to post by sirbadazz

Very interesting indeed. I dont think i can say I agree because I just dont know for sure. But it could be an explanation for why certain humans act the way they do.

Originally posted by sirbadazz
Some information is "classified" within certain circles of shamanism, because some knowlege can be dangerous.

are you a 'shaman'?

www.tripzine.com...

Originally posted by mcrom901

Originally posted by sirbadazz
Some information is "classified" within certain circles of shamanism, because some knowlege can be dangerous.

are you a 'shaman'?

www.tripzine.com...

edit on 28/11/12 by mcrom901 because: (no reason given)

You point out a very enlightening *LINK* Having done all the particular 'Vehicles' described, I have a far better understanding, along with other research from the likes of Terrance McKenna and Leary.

In the infinity of time all must be revealed and every ruse made transparent.

Originally posted by sirbadazz
There is brilliance in this, in that it was "genetically" engineered by the aliens to do that, like a biological machine, in a way that the human host was unaware of his/her own transformation of consciousness.

Originally posted by Feltrick
reply to post by sirbadazz

 

You give a lot of info but leave out the most important information on how to prevent this intrusion. What use is it to explain that dimensional beings are taking over our minds without giving us the defense?

If you get down to the bottom of this, everything is irrelevant and nothing at all matters. Because the aliens designed it "in a way that the human host [is] unaware of his/her own transformation of consciousness."

I mean if you are unaware, then.... it never happened.

If a squirrel fell out of a tree and no one was around to hear it, did it make a sound?

Originally posted by sajuek
So there are invisible mind eating octopuses which can only be seen or even tangibly experienced by self-proclaimed seers and shamans who see things that no one else can and have no way of verifying anything they've experienced?

They (and perhaps countless other variants?) might be experienced by anyone willing to actively and openmindedly explore microcosm/astral/ethereal/dimensional realms (might micro and macro be somewhat connected?) thus challenging the fivesense based religion of corporate mainstream science, and what we are programmed to think and regurgitate, filtered through a highly distressed and material zeitgeist.

By the way, self-proclamation is seldom the case of the shaman. They are often "selected"; ritually initiated and so forth, by the clan/society they are a part of. On the subject of shamanism generally, id like to recommend the writings of Jan Fries and Peter Carrol, authors well immersed in the subject. Also check out the sacred-texts online entry on shamanism.

...You know what, I think I'll just leave it at that. But I think I'm going to sleep just as well.

Have a good nights sleep, dear sir/mrs/ms.

I keep hearing all this nonsense from this magical rainbow crystal wow-ism camp about being restricted to 5 senses.

Fact of the matter is, limitation to the 5 traditional senses is MYTH.

Your sense of TIME and TIMING for instance is a true Sense and perception.

You've spatial awareness such you can successfully catch a ball tossed from one hand to be caught with another with your eyes closed, without smelling the ball, without tasting the ball, without hearing the ball, without feeling the ball travel through the air.

You've positional and orientation awareness. Part of this is you've a sense of balance, even if it's terrible.
You typically know where your feet and hands are, and what they're doing even if you can't see or feel them.

Pattern recognition is another sense, whether that pattern is something you see, feel, smell, hear, or even taste.

There's a whole variety and long list of Primary senses and subsidiary senses.
Here's one article on it: Humans have a lot more than 5 Senses.

Here's a list of physical senses, some already mentioned.

Basic Human Senses
Ophthalmoception (Eyes) Sight or visual perception
Audioception (Ears) Hearing or auditory sensations
Gustaoception (Tongue) Sense of taste
Olfacoception or Olfacception (Nose) Sense of smell
Tactioception (Skin)

Four Internal Human Senses
Thermoception (Skin) Lack or increase of heat (temperature)
Proprioception (Body Parts) Awareness of body parts without visual input
Nociception (Whole Body) Sensation of pain in the body (skin, body organs, etc.)
Equilibrioception (Whole Body) Sense of balance (determined by ear fluid)

Additional Human Senses
Kinesthetic Sense (Whole Body) Sense of acceleration
Tactility (Mostly the Skin) Perception of pressure
Chemoreception (Blood and Brain) Sensation of hunger, thirst, vomiting and suffocation
Stretch Reception (Muscles, Joint and Skin)
Sense of gag reflex, gas distension, excretion, etc.
Cutaneous Reception (Skin) Sense of skin vasodilation (like flushed skin)
Synaesthesia (Body Parts) Combination of senses (like smiling at someone's voice)

That's not the end of it either. We are NOT restricted to just 5 senses, and Science is very well aware of this.

There are, as well, a host of non-physical senses such as Timing and pattern recognition as mentioned.

It's the morons dosing themselves with drugs, rubbing crystals on their bodies, and going to utterly stupid lengths to experience something that gives them some sense of significance and meaning in their utterly dull and for the most part entirely uneducated lives that keep spouting this 5 senses nonsense like it a mantra to validate their own brain masturbation.
Yes, that's what all this shamanic stuff is. It's just brain masturbation. You're not blasting off to anywhere. You're not really having meaningful palaver with aliens. There is no astral octopus, astral spider, astral chicken, or astral bacon either.
It's all a predictable chemical response of the brain painting pretty pictures for your entertainment. It's you're own private virtual reality if you will, but, you're not plugged into anyone or anything else; just your own hard-coded meat-ware as well as any socio-conditional programming you take along as part of the background noise of your localized geographical societal collective unconscious.

Yeah, I know; you really want to believe in Santa Claus, or the Astral dimension, Invisible Aliens, or whatever label you want to give to whatever it is you're calling it, and it's hard to give up on those fantasies, but, that's all it is; fantasy.

It's tough to accept for those susceptible to influence and programming by this, but, that's reality. Reality isn't known for it's comforts. It's typically a hard unpleasant slap in the face. That, however, is that.

Originally posted by Druscilla
I keep hearing all this nonsense from this magical rainbow crystal wow-ism camp about being restricted to 5 senses.

Fact of the matter is, limitation to the 5 traditional senses is MYTH.

Your sense of TIME and TIMING for instance is a true Sense and perception.

You've spatial awareness such you can successfully catch a ball tossed from one hand to be caught with another with your eyes closed, without smelling the ball, without tasting the ball, without hearing the ball, without feeling the ball travel through the air.

You've positional and orientation awareness. Part of this is you've a sense of balance, even if it's terrible.
You typically know where your feet and hands are, and what they're doing even if you can't see or feel them.

Pattern recognition is another sense, whether that pattern is something you see, feel, smell, hear, or even taste.

There's a whole variety and long list of Primary senses and subsidiary senses.
Here's one article on it: Humans have a lot more than 5 Senses.

Here's a list of physical senses, some already mentioned.

Basic Human Senses
Ophthalmoception (Eyes) Sight or visual perception
Audioception (Ears) Hearing or auditory sensations
Gustaoception (Tongue) Sense of taste
Olfacoception or Olfacception (Nose) Sense of smell
Tactioception (Skin)

Four Internal Human Senses
Thermoception (Skin) Lack or increase of heat (temperature)
Proprioception (Body Parts) Awareness of body parts without visual input
Nociception (Whole Body) Sensation of pain in the body (skin, body organs, etc.)
Equilibrioception (Whole Body) Sense of balance (determined by ear fluid)

Additional Human Senses
Kinesthetic Sense (Whole Body) Sense of acceleration
Tactility (Mostly the Skin) Perception of pressure
Chemoreception (Blood and Brain) Sensation of hunger, thirst, vomiting and suffocation
Stretch Reception (Muscles, Joint and Skin)
Sense of gag reflex, gas distension, excretion, etc.
Cutaneous Reception (Skin) Sense of skin vasodilation (like flushed skin)
Synaesthesia (Body Parts) Combination of senses (like smiling at someone's voice)

That's not the end of it either. We are NOT restricted to just 5 senses, and Science is very well aware of this.

There are, as well, a host of non-physical senses such as Timing and pattern recognition as mentioned.

It's the morons dosing themselves with drugs, rubbing crystals on their bodies, and going to utterly stupid lengths to experience something that gives them some sense of significance and meaning in their utterly dull and for the most part entirely uneducated lives that keep spouting this 5 senses nonsense like it a mantra to validate their own brain masturbation.
Yes, that's what all this shamanic stuff is. It's just brain masturbation. You're not blasting off to anywhere. You're not really having meaningful palaver with aliens. There is no astral octopus, astral spider, astral chicken, or astral bacon either.
It's all a predictable chemical response of the brain painting pretty pictures for your entertainment. It's you're own private virtual reality if you will, but, you're not plugged into anyone or anything else; just your own hard-coded meat-ware as well as any socio-conditional programming you take along as part of the background noise of your localized geographical societal collective unconscious.

Yeah, I know; you really want to believe in Santa Claus, or the Astral dimension, Invisible Aliens, or whatever label you want to give to whatever it is you're calling it, and it's hard to give up on those fantasies, but, that's all it is; fantasy.

It's tough to accept for those susceptible to influence and programming by this, but, that's reality. Reality isn't known for it's comforts. It's typically a hard unpleasant slap in the face. That, however, is that.

edit on 28-11-2012 by Druscilla because: (no reason given)

Lovely display of cynicism there Druscilla... really, I have to give you credit for that but even stupid humans are capable of implanting sounds, images and sensations into the mind while bypassing a large portion of the processes we perceive such things with so just hold up before your need to insult people throws us all the way back into the dark ages where science is considered magical fairy tales. This stuff is well proven that even we are capable of and without a lot of sophisticated technology... just a better understand of frequencies broken down into more subtle layers.

Just because ets don't want to link up with you doesn't mean you gotta come in here taking your frustration out on contactees.

reply to post by TrueBrit


I believe you may be psychic. You've summed up the totality of my thoughts with a stunningly brilliant clarity that, had I spent a half an hour on such a response, I would have wept to read coming from my own hands.

With that aside, you think exactly as I do with it comes to these things. Sorry, OP, but given the enormous amount of bs we have to deal with every day, you're gonna have to do better than that. Suspension of disbelief? Why not just ask us to pretend it's real for the total duration of our involvement in this thread, then slowly make our way back to reality where an attendant will be happy to give us a brochure should we be tempted to make a return visit - children are half price and refreshments will be served in the lounge.

Thanks for the cool story though. You almost had me going.

reply to post by Druscilla

You neglect to factor in observation from multiple independent sources that can verify replication or failure of replication. Further, any sufficient observations in a properly designed study would be monitored using various sensing equipment apparatus of differing sensitivities with redundancies and tertiary fail overs for full spectra coverage of any observable event across the entire range of known observable spectrum.

...you've done this before, haven't you? *accusing*

Originally posted by Druscilla
It's the morons dosing themselves with drugs, rubbing crystals on their bodies, and going to utterly stupid lengths to experience something that gives them some sense of significance and meaning in their utterly dull and for the most part entirely uneducated lives that keep spouting this 5 senses nonsense like it a mantra to validate their own brain masturbation.

why do you think so?

www.samharris.org...

Originally posted by Plotus

Originally posted by mcrom901

Originally posted by sirbadazz
Some information is "classified" within certain circles of shamanism, because some knowlege can be dangerous.

are you a 'shaman'?

www.tripzine.com...

edit on 28/11/12 by mcrom901 because: (no reason given)

You point out a very enlightening *LINK* Having done all the particular 'Vehicles' described, I have a far better understanding, along with other research from the likes of Terrance McKenna and Leary.

i love kent's work...

www.realitysandwich.com...

reply to post by mcrom901


Name something, anything philosophically, physically, engineering wise, mathematically, culturally, and/or of societal developmental significance other than a long string of works from contemporary musicians that ever came out of these "consciousness expanding" experiences.

If it was anything more than brain masturbation we'd have whole teams of people camped out in shifts doing sessions in sweat lodges to divine the next great next-gen propulsion systems, architecture, engineering, medical advances, robotics, Informatics, transportation, agricultural development, bioengineering and any other number of sundry specialties and concentrations that could profit were there any merit beyond self gratifying brain masturbation in these states of "expanded consciousness"

"Expanded Consciousness" is worthless other than wasteful self deluding self gratifying entertainment.

Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by mcrom901

 

Name something, anything philosophically, physically, engineering wise, mathematically, culturally, and/or of societal developmental significance other than a long string of works from contemporary musicians that ever came out of these "consciousness expanding" experiences.

en.wikipedia.org...