The War on Men

Originally posted by DocHolidaze

so does the double standard of men and women, we should all be equal, all the time, not just when it suits women. for instance in an emergency situation it is still the standard of women and children first. since women have equal rights now shouldn't it be children and an equal number of men and women first, or at least children and those in the most need of rescue, man or women? this is just one example of equal rights not being equal.

No this is one example of people still claiming a popular myth is reality

"The team studied a database of 18 maritime disasters spanning three centuries, covering the fate of over 15,000 individuals of more than 30 nationalities. Their study found that not only do captains and crew survive wrecks at a “significantly higher rate than passengers,” but that women actually have a “distinct survival disadvantage compared to men

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Originally posted by Dan001

If you are looking for traditional Women, You have to go to third-world countries where Women are not westernized.

Virtually no one outside the Anglo-Saxon countries and Western Europe buys into Feminism.

The vast majority of women are happy being traditional women. There is nothing wrong with having children, being a good wife and looking after your family.

Originally posted by paganini

"The team studied a database of 18 maritime disasters spanning three centuries, covering the fate of over 15,000 individuals of more than 30 nationalities.

Their study found that not only do captains and crew survive wrecks at a “significantly higher rate than passengers,” but that women actually have a “distinct survival disadvantage compared to men

Women who are shipwrecked have a “distinct survival disadvantage compared to men".

That wouldn't have anything to do with women being physically weaker than men would it?

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by paganini

"The team studied a database of 18 maritime disasters spanning three centuries, covering the fate of over 15,000 individuals of more than 30 nationalities.

Their study found that not only do captains and crew survive wrecks at a “significantly higher rate than passengers,” but that women actually have a “distinct survival disadvantage compared to men

Women who are shipwrecked have a “distinct survival disadvantage compared to men".

That wouldn't have anything to do with women being physically weaker than men would it?

edit on 27-11-2012 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

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Both that and the fact the men arent helping them as is often presumed. In a disaster its every one for themselves in most instances.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Dan001

If you are looking for traditional Women, You have to go to third-world countries where Women are not westernized.

Virtually no one outside the Anglo-Saxon countries and Western Europe buys into Feminism.

The vast majority of women are happy being traditional women. There is nothing wrong with having children, being a good wife and looking after your family.

Actually there is something very wrong with it - it's BORING!

Onto the subject in general - let me tell you why I am a Feminist: Because my Grand Father dropped dead at the age of 40 leaving my Grand Mother with three young children. She had no education, no money, and had to go to work in a factory and cleaning the homes of the wealthy ("back breaking labor").

My Mom married a perfectly OK man. Came from a good family, was educated, had a nice job, and everything was fine.

UNTIL - he hit the bottle. And then split. Thankfully my Mom was educated and was able to get decent work.

So yeah. Unforeseen circumstance and all that. Whether or not you can trust other people is debatable - can you trust unforeseen circumstance? No.

There is another reason, too. Which is - where am I best utilized? I was IQ and personality tested at school. High IQ, aptitude for the sciences. So that's what I chose. I can make the best impact on the world in general this way. I create jobs for others.

Wife and Mother? No aptitude for that. Bad idea. I would be bad at this. Never had an interest in that either. I would be an absolute failure at this and I know it.

The path I took really has nothing to do with men. Has to do with my aptitudes mostly.

Oh and I must say I find this ironic coming from Fox - who airs the two biggest bumblers - Homer Simpson and Peter Griffin

There is some kind of theory about this also, which I have read and will attempt to articulate - along the lines of those in power being able to 'make fun of themselves'. And lets be honest - many men - many PEOPLE are just flat out idiots regardless. "King of the Hill" also a Fox show - had some 'bumbling' women - in fact most of the females on there were ding dongs. So? It's probably best not to read too much into silly comedy shows.

To the OP - is that a pic of David Spade in your avatar? This could be the root cause of any problems you might have with females.

reply to post by paganini

In a disaster its every one for themselves in most instances.

I jokingly added the video I added for a reason.
The first few minutes talked about unequal wages.
The comic than says,if we were on the titanic....you get to leave and i have to stay,consider the extra dollar an hour as a surcharge.

Women and children come first in those situations but his humor actually made a good point.
No i am not saying they deserve less,I just thought it was a good point.

Originally posted by paganini

Both that and the fact the men arent helping them as is often presumed. In a disaster its every one for themselves in most instances.

Men aren't helping women in ship wrecks?

Isn't that an example of the double standard women sometimes display?

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by paganini

Both that and the fact the men arent helping them as is often presumed. In a disaster its every one for themselves in most instances.

Men aren't helping women in ship wrecks?

Isn't that an example of the double standard women sometimes display?

do you have a massive reading comprehension issue? Im correcting the notion in the post i quoted that men have a regular habit of rescuing women and children in disasters. that does no imply i or anyone else here believes they should do that.

Originally posted by stirling
Women are extremely self conscious, self centered, and down right selfish......
That is their" Hard wired" state as the progeny bearer of the race......
Men on the other hand are not so totally self absorbed as their counterparts...
This leads to a whole gammut of abuse which men bear in silence mostly.
Not many woman are even willing to put her life on the line every working day to support their spouse....
Yet men go down to the sea and the mines, and the steel mills, they do a great deal of the back breaking and dangerous jobs which keep civilisation civilised for the" weaker sex"....
Men die sooner, and suffer far more injuries of serious natures than women do....in the workplace.
Theres always exemptions made for a womans performance compared the a man....
For this sacrifice of a mans life and health, he gets to go home at night to a badly cooked, and hastily thrown together meal, and the houshold chores which require his personal attention....
He is not allowed to be scared of spiders or mice, and is expected to get crap up to the elbows when the plumbing goes wonky or the basement floods out.and never have a headache....
And after 30 0r more years of this he is lucky if he doesnt get treated to the next decade of marriage to a surly demeaning, entirely illogically selfish menpausal maniac who eventually breaks up the mariage or totally breaks whats left of his spirit.
From NO modern woman comes this same kind of loyalty or faithful service....
The pendulum has indeed swung.Men awaking up to the rip off big time....

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I understand your perspective and I sympathize. I starred you for it.

Adversely however, I do see a lot of women these days working physical jobs too (not hard labour jobs usually, but jobs in factories and processing plants.) On top of which, they typically do most of the child-raising (buying their things, making their lunches, seeing them off to school, watching over them, helping with school issues, etc.,) making appointments, doing home chores and lately I am seeing a lot of women mowing the lawn. Mowing lawns used to be guy's work, so I find this rather odd to see it becoming a woman's job now.

And guys can be so sexist, self-interested (not with guys but with girls) and whiny that I am often embarrassed by them. I have a friend who has broken up with the mother of his son over "issues," which may be complex, but he's only ever complained to me about her over one thing: she wouldn’t give him anal sex. He seemed genuinely sad about this. What a ridiculous complaint...and about something that isn't natural and leads to health problems anyway. So many guys expect their girlfriends to hang on their arms like trophies, to look good for the guys (acting cool yet lady-like) and then be their whore behind the scenes. Not all guys are like this, but a lot of young ones seem to be. (Internet porn is a part of this, I suspect.)

And calling girls "bitches," which is childish and rude. (Of course, this is a part of young guys trying to act like Black guys because they feel sexually inferior; talking, dressing and even acting like stereotypical Black guys, which just makes me laugh.)

So, there is much inequality to go around. It seems to me, as a race we seem to be fundamentally selfish, insecure and full of BS.

reply to post by LoneCloudHopper2

It seems to me, as a race we seem to be fundamentally selfish, insecure and full of BS.

Emotionally crippled is the term I use.
I blame people believing the politically correct BS for making them think outside of the "BOX" is wrong.


Insecure...check.
Selfish...check
Full of BS (because of politically correct agendas that they believe as real) check.

Originally posted by paganini

do you have a massive reading comprehension issue?

Im correcting the notion in the post i quoted that men have a regular habit of rescuing women and children in disasters.

It's not surprising that ships' crews who are trained to survive in a ship wreck survive better passengers who have received no training.

The million dollar question is do male passengers survive ship-wrecks better than women?

Haha here we go. Another oh woe is me rant about women taking away from men.

If men don't want to pay child support or alimony DONT get married!! It takes TWO to make a baby and TWO to get married. If a man lets a woman push him into marriage he isn't a man he is a weenie and needs to grow a pair.

I was watching the show "Bridezillas" and I was appalled at how these women acted and I was also appalled at the men and how they let these women treat them! Are they that whipped?! I mean seriously those men have nobody to blame but themselves for staying with someone like that. A REAL man would have booted her but to the curb before it ever got to engagement.Those are men with obvious self esteem issues! You never see the strong man on tv because well that doesn't give ratings but a whipped guy with a crazy fiancee soon to be wife well that is what seems to get ratings. It's called drama.

There is no WAR on men. And your source is FOX they love to bash women just as much as the jaded men on ATS do.

Originally posted by Zinky

Actually there is something very wrong with it - it's BORING!

Wife and Mother? No aptitude for that. Bad idea. I would be bad at this. Never had an interest in that either. I would be an absolute failure at this and I know it.

But isn't feminism about choice?

If other women choose to be wives and mothers, shouldn't we all respect their choice.

Originally posted by ollncasino

The million dollar question is do male passengers survive ship-wrecks better than women?

NO had you bothered to understand the article the question was already answered . The crewmen have the highest chance of surviving, then the average joe, then the women and children.

Originally posted by paganini

NO had you bothered to understand the article the question was already answered . The crewmen have the highest chance of surviving, then the average joe, then the women and children.

But by how much do women out-survive children?

Is that because women, contrary to the accepted notion, don't try to help children to survive?

I fear that you are displaying a double standard.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by paganini

NO had you bothered to understand the article the question was already answered . The crewmen have the highest chance of surviving, then the average joe, then the women and children.

But by how much do women out-survive children?
Is that because women, contrary to the accepted notion, don't try to help children to survive?

I fear that you are displaying a double standard.

edit on 27-11-2012 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Wait a minute now you're flip flopping all over the place in your statements and seemingly trying to argue a different point every time the previous one is noted for not making any sense.

The article already specified that its often everyone for themselves in a disaster scenario. That includes women not helping anyone either. But seeing how no one here implied women are rescuers in these situations while men flee it makes one wonder why you brought this up.

It seems you are eager to cry double standards when no one is producing them so you are content to just fabricate them out of thin air.

reply to post by mblahnikluver

If men don't want to pay child support or alimony DONT get married!! It takes TWO to make a baby and TWO to get married. If a man lets a woman push him into marriage he isn't a man he is a weenie and needs to grow a pair.

Amen to that.

I was watching the show "Bridezillas" and I was appalled at how these women acted and I was also appalled at the men and how they let these women treat them! Are they that whipped?! I mean seriously those men have nobody to blame but themselves for staying with someone like that. A REAL man would have booted her but to the curb before it ever got to engagement.

Its programming.
People believe whats on tv as being valid or real when its anything but.

There is no WAR on men.

You are right,its a war on both men and women.....and the minds that they don't seem to have anymore and are encouraged to be like that from tv and movies etc.

Originally posted by paganini

Wait a minute now you're flip flopping all over the place in your statements and seemingly trying to argue a different point every time the previous one is noted for not making any sense.

The article already specified that its often everyone for themselves in a disaster scenario. That includes women not helping anyone either. But seeing how no one here implied women are rescuers in these situations while men flee it makes one wonder why you brought this up.

It seems you are eager to cry double standards when no one is producing them so you are content to just fabricate them out of thin air.

Sorry. I misunderstood you. I thought you were trying to score points by arguing

Originally posted by paganini

"No this is one example of people still claiming a popular myth is reality...

...Their study found that not only do captains and crew survive wrecks at a “significantly higher rate than passengers,” but that women actually have a “distinct survival disadvantage compared to men"

Of course, by the same token, the fact that women survive shipwrecks better than children must mean that the popular myth (as you put it) that women try to help children to survive is also a myth?

I'll be honest, I really have no idea what is going on.

It seems complicated, and there are a lot of psychological factors (especially involving differences between men and women) that people don't want to get into. I think it's obvious that things are changing, but I have no idea what the result will be, or what new issues will be brought up. Not to mention that some of these differences are cultural, while some of these differences are biological or neurological.

Culture can be changed, but trying to use culture to change biological or neurological realities won't work.

What are cultural issues and what are biological / neurological differences? Could changing culture result in new problems, and what new problems will we face in the future?

The best I can do is guess. I do wish everyone the best.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Sorry. I misunderstood you. I thought you were trying to score points by arguing

You seem to be misunderstanding alot.

Originally posted by ollncasinot women trying to help children to survive is also a myth? ]

Yes seeing how i never stated other wise. Though the portrayal of women being rescuers would hardly fall under a popular belief among the public nor again was this the topic that was being discussed. initially. You brought it up out of nowhere so you could complain about double standards