Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

Originally posted by hellobruce
No, you are the stupid one for not reading a thread before posting....

Skimmed over this thread ages ago. It's the same exact thread that is posted on every other forum about the Moon Hoax. Nothing new.

No, he only said that after he had forged the cover and got caught out!

Are you kidding me? What are you, the forum police?
Also, to reiterate what I came in here to point out, the cover Sayonara posted is not a forgery. Its just an image modified in MS paint, (the imaging software on dat dere thang called a computer) for illustration of a point and clearly anyone could see that.

Still does not stop the fact he has nothing but made up silly stories.

I'm done. All of your responses sound like that of a little child or some sort of dinosaur, I can't tell.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


curious mister sayonara..

regarding NASA, US Gov, CIA, NAZI whomever it is that is the powers that are at play here, you know how they have kept the secret of hoaxing a moon landing for 40+ years away from the public not even a little peep.. killing anyone who looks like they might talk paying off others with large sums of cash to keep them quiet for 40+ years. introducing new scientists into the scheme to keep the "true" radiation data out of public view so no one questions the moon landing..

you know these guys that are capable of this..

why do they let Dr Carol Rosin continue?

Originally posted by choos
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

curious mister sayonara..

regarding NASA, US Gov, CIA, NAZI whomever it is that is the powers that are at play here, you know how they have kept the secret of hoaxing a moon landing for 40+ years away from the public not even a little peep.. killing anyone who looks like they might talk paying off others with large sums of cash to keep them quiet for 40+ years. introducing new scientists into the scheme to keep the "true" radiation data out of public view so no one questions the moon landing..

you know these guys that are capable of this..

why do they let Dr Carol Rosin continue?

Wow your like a dog with a bone i admire your tenacity. Or is it just curiosity??

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Originally posted by choos

if the KGB did plan the assassination and the US were lead to believe it was a lone mad man.. why would the soviets provoke the situation anymore to make them want to check even deeper?? the soviets would be absolutely glad that the US are blaming a lone mad man and not finding out it was the KGB.

You're really stretching this one.

Are you suggesting the USSR said nothing because the KGB did it?

We know the US had already blamed a lone nut. If the USSR pounced on it as an inside job, what could the US do about it? You think they'd "check even deeper"? When? After they'd already put out the Warren Report? They'd look like a bunch of idiots to switch their entire story and blame the USSR!!

So why did the USSR say nothing about JFK, then?

Originally posted by choos

with the orion yes it is the lack of technology because it is a brand new vehicle.. it is not an apollo craft.. technology directly comes from funding. without funding there is no R&D.. apollo did not have this issue as they had a much larger budget.

why do car companies spend so much R&D on new vehicles?? for example the Holden Commodore has been manufactured since around 1978.. yet in 2006 they spent $1 billion on developing new platform??? why did they spend so much on newer technology when older technology has been around for over a century??

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Let's compare your car analogy further...

We've used the same basic technology to build cars for over a century, right?

Why spend so much on newer technology? To make a better car, of course.

This makes sense.

But we don't NEED a newer technology to build a car, do we?? No.

We can build a car with our same old technology, as usual.

We didn't stop building cars while trying to develop other technologies intended to replace it.

And we still do.


It's the same as all other fields. A computer, a phone, a TV set, etc. Anything at all.

They serve a purpose, and are used for it. We have made them better, with newer technology.

We didn't stop using them because a better one might be invented some day!


Just absurd.

Originally posted by choos
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

curious mister sayonara..

regarding NASA, US Gov, CIA, NAZI whomever it is that is the powers that are at play here, you know how they have kept the secret of hoaxing a moon landing for 40+ years away from the public not even a little peep.. killing anyone who looks like they might talk paying off others with large sums of cash to keep them quiet for 40+ years. introducing new scientists into the scheme to keep the "true" radiation data out of public view so no one questions the moon landing..

you know these guys that are capable of this..

why do they let Dr Carol Rosin continue?

It may be that Carol Rosin was chosen to deliver Werner von Braun's message. This may be her only role and it is certainly possible that she is CIA playing the role or she is a dupe of the CIA... like a puppet on strings... in which case she firmly believes what Werner von Braun told her this information and she genuinely believes that this message is true.

What do you think, choos?

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by turbonium1

 

That's because, yet again, you don't bother to check what you read.

They would start with week long missions, and eventually work their way up to 180 day missions (that's moon time, not total space time).

The first missions will be week long missions for a crew of four. Once the habitat is set up 180 day missions are planned for scientists and astronauts.

www.allvoices.com...

This time, explorers are going back to stay. They will build an outpost in which they will live off the land like true pioneers and work for months at a time, gathering experience to guide a future generation on the way to Mars. “This isn’t the space shuttle, and it’s not Apollo. It’s the next step in sending more people farther into space, with more capability than ever before. It’s a greater challenge,”

www.nasa.gov...

Their "vision" of future space exploration, you mean?. .

The plan was a short-stay manned moon mission. Period.

No other goal than that one.

Saying 'this time we'll have a moon base, fly to Mars' is merely a vision, a dream - it's not based on reality.


I'm talking about reality here.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Originally posted by choos
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

curious mister sayonara..

regarding NASA, US Gov, CIA, NAZI whomever it is that is the powers that are at play here, you know how they have kept the secret of hoaxing a moon landing for 40+ years away from the public not even a little peep.. killing anyone who looks like they might talk paying off others with large sums of cash to keep them quiet for 40+ years. introducing new scientists into the scheme to keep the "true" radiation data out of public view so no one questions the moon landing..

you know these guys that are capable of this..

why do they let Dr Carol Rosin continue?

It may be that Carol Rosin was chosen to deliver Werner von Braun's message. This may be her only role and it is certainly possible that she is CIA playing the role or she is a dupe of the CIA... like a puppet on strings... in which case she firmly believes what Werner von Braun told her this information and she genuinely believes that this message is true.

What do you think, choos?

both those things you listed ie. she is CIA or is duped by CIA.. means that Werner von Braun's "prophecy" is nothing but a lie.

Originally posted by turbonium1

You're really stretching this one.

Are you suggesting the USSR said nothing because the KGB did it?

im not saying it like i believe it.. just putting it out there since you do not know who was behind it.

We know the US had already blamed a lone nut. If the USSR pounced on it as an inside job, what could the US do about it? You think they'd "check even deeper"? When? After they'd already put out the Warren Report? They'd look like a bunch of idiots to switch their entire story and blame the USSR!!

So why did the USSR say nothing about JFK, then?

and thats how perfect the KGB plan was and how well executed it was eh?? it was so quick for the US to blame a lone mad man and have him killed before he can talk.. easy no need to stir the hornets nest. now what would happen if the soviets made a fuss over it?? it would look odd wouldnt it?? it would have been obvious it was a lone nut since they were convinced so quickly.. so why are the soviets making a fuss about it?

kinda like the princess diana incident.. after so many years theres another inquiry?? because a man was making a fuss.

Let's compare your car analogy further...

We've used the same basic technology to build cars for over a century, right?

Why spend so much on newer technology? To make a better car, of course.

This makes sense.

But we don't NEED a newer technology to build a car, do we?? No.

incorrect we do.. this just proves you know nothing of manufacturing.. if this was the case then there would be no purpose of manufacturing/mechanical engineering.. what is the purpose of big business??

make money and lower costs as much as possible.. newer technology to build a car equals cheaper more efficient ways of building cars.. just look at the production line and how mechanical it is today as opposed to 50 years ago.

We can build a car with our same old technology, as usual.

also incorrect.. new cars need new designs else they will not sell.. they need to be safer then ever before they need to be more fuel efficient then ever before.. these are all new technologies.. all these new technologies require integration.. integration is an issue because these new parts may or may not fit into the current chassis.

regarding the holden commodore it was an entirely new chassis the old one was old heavy inefficient. it is an entirely new vehicle with newer stronger lighter material.. most new vehicle models although resembling the older model will generally be entirely new vehicles.

We didn't stop building cars while trying to develop other technologies intended to replace it.
And we still do.
It's the same as all other fields. A computer, a phone, a TV set, etc. Anything at all.
They serve a purpose, and are used for it. We have made them better, with newer technology.
We didn't stop using them because a better one might be invented some day!
Just absurd.

so you are saying the Orion spacecraft is not newer technology designed to replace apollo and the shuttle? Orion serves a purpose it is just newer technology because it is an entirely new vehicle..

and yes it is the same for PC, phones, TV sets.. look at the evolution of TV's from cathode ray tubes to LCD's, phones from acoustic tin cans to smart phones.. why dont they use CRT's in LCDs??? why dont they use tins cans tied with strings for smartphones?? they have the technology for CRT's and tin can telephones back in the 50's so why do they require new technology for LCD's and smart phones??

thanks for proving my point btw.

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What makes you think the KGB would even know if someone other than Oswald did it? They weren't some all powerful, all knowing organization, just like the CIA isn't. Do you have any idea how many times it almost came to open war because either the KGB or CIA made a mistake and misread something? So who's to say the KGB even knew the truth about Kennedy. Whereas Apollo was an open project and much easier to find out if it was faked.

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You're comparing a planned short stay of 7-14 days with a stay of mere hours, and you call that reality?

Originally posted by choos

and thats how perfect the KGB plan was and how well executed it was eh?? it was so quick for the US to blame a lone mad man and have him killed before he can talk.. easy no need to stir the hornets nest. now what would happen if the soviets made a fuss over it?? it would look odd wouldnt it?? it would have been obvious it was a lone nut since they were convinced so quickly.. so why are the soviets making a fuss about it?

Many in the US didn't accept the official story, that's why! The moon landings were accepted. JFK was ideal because many Americans had doubts already.

Originally posted by choos

incorrect we do.. this just proves you know nothing of manufacturing.. if this was the case then there would be no purpose of manufacturing/mechanical engineering.. what is the purpose of big business??

make money and lower costs as much as possible.. newer technology to build a car equals cheaper more efficient ways of building cars.. just look at the production line and how mechanical it is today as opposed to 50 years ago.

We can build a car with our same old technology, as usual.

also incorrect.. new cars need new designs else they will not sell.. they need to be safer then ever before they need to be more fuel efficient then ever before.. these are all new technologies.. all these new technologies require integration.. integration is an issue because these new parts may or may not fit into the current chassis.

so you are saying the Orion spacecraft is not newer technology designed to replace apollo and the shuttle? Orion serves a purpose it is just newer technology because it is an entirely new vehicle..

and yes it is the same for PC, phones, TV sets.. look at the evolution of TV's from cathode ray tubes to LCD's, phones from acoustic tin cans to smart phones.. why dont they use CRT's in LCDs??? why dont they use tins cans tied with strings for smartphones?? they have the technology for CRT's and tin can telephones back in the 50's so why do they require new technology for LCD's and smart phones??

thanks for proving my point btw.

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We don't use the old technology because we have replaced it with newer technology.

If we don't have a newer technology, we DO use the old technology!! We don't stop using it, waiting for something newer to come along.

Do you not understand this simple point?

Originally posted by turbonium1
If we don't have a newer technology, we DO use the old technology!! We don't stop using it, waiting for something newer to come along.

Do you not understand this simple point?

So just how do you fly on a supersonic passenger jet today?

Do you not understand that very simple point?

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You guys do realize when the soviet Union fell all those KGB files were up for grabs and sold dont you? In fact we found oput all kinds of neat stuff but funny no plot by the KGB on JFK or a moon hoax so id have to say wasnt one because boy that would have been worth millions.

Originally posted by turbonium1

Many in the US didn't accept the official story, that's why! The moon landings were accepted. JFK was ideal because many Americans had doubts already.

But do you see the issue that if the KGB had done it, and if they continue to raise the issue that it was the us gov and not a lone gun man. Do you realize that if the us gov was pressured enough to do a thorough investigation and then find new evidence implicating the KGB.. Right now there is not much enquiry into it it's dead and buried exactly where the KGB would want it.

We don't use the old technology because we have replaced it with newer technology.

If we don't have a newer technology, we DO use the old technology!! We don't stop using it, waiting for something newer to come along.

Do you not understand this simple point?

Do you even understand the point that the Apollo craft was 1960's technology and you want to use 1960's technology for Orion?? Even the space shuttle is obsolete technology for Orion.

Orion is a brand new vehicle new design new technology. They are not going to put a calculator as the guidance computer for Orion, that's old obsolete technology. Are you able to comprehend this?

let me put it this way, the next generation fighter jet is not going to be based on the p51 mustang technology.

Originally posted by choos
both those things you listed ie. she is CIA or is duped by CIA.. means that Werner von Braun's "prophecy" is nothing but a lie.

Do you reject the sequence of threats in the von Braun prophecy? Communism, terrorism, rogue nations, asteroids and finally E.T.?

What if the sequence were different, say Communism, asteroids, E.T. terrorism and rogue nations? See? It doesn't fit the time lines. But the prophecy does.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Originally posted by choos
both those things you listed ie. she is CIA or is duped by CIA.. means that Werner von Braun's "prophecy" is nothing but a lie.

Do you reject the sequence of threats in the von Braun prophecy? Communism, terrorism, rogue nations, asteroids and finally E.T.?

What if the sequence were different, say Communism, asteroids, E.T. terrorism and rogue nations? See? It doesn't fit the time lines. But the prophecy does.

threats have existed long before von braun.. there was the mongols, persians, goths, islam.. do you deny these ever existed?? because von braun never warned of them..

but even so.. these threats.. will only be a means of helping to fund them to build what they want to build. if they have the funding they have the ability to do what they want.. they had the funding to go to the moon and they did go to the moon.. there is absolutely no reason for them to get the funding, spend it on the ability to reach the moon and then spend even more on faking it..

its cheaper and easier for them to have just gone to the moon.. and pocket the rest.. this prophecy has no implications of a faked moon landing..

Originally posted by choos
its cheaper and easier for them to have just gone to the moon.. and pocket the rest.. this prophecy has no implications of a faked moon landing..

But in other situations Apollo defenders (not you) have argued that getting to the moon is too expensive and too difficult for anybody except NASA.

So which is it? Cheap and easy? Or expensive and difficult?

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Originally posted by choos
its cheaper and easier for them to have just gone to the moon.. and pocket the rest.. this prophecy has no implications of a faked moon landing..

But in other situations Apollo defenders (not you) have argued that getting to the moon is too expensive and too difficult for anybody except NASA.

So which is it? Cheap and easy? Or expensive and difficult?

i dont think anyone has said its cheap and easy apart from hoax believers... pretty much all apollo defenders agree that it is very expensive and difficult to do, but not impossible.. if they have the political will and funding to do so, it is very much possible to land man on the moon.

Originally posted by choos

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Originally posted by choos
its cheaper and easier for them to have just gone to the moon.. and pocket the rest.. this prophecy has no implications of a faked moon landing..

But in other situations Apollo defenders (not you) have argued that getting to the moon is too expensive and too difficult for anybody except NASA.

So which is it? Cheap and easy? Or expensive and difficult?

i dont think anyone has said its cheap and easy apart from hoax believers... pretty much all apollo defenders agree that it is very expensive and difficult to do, but not impossible.. if they have the political will and funding to do so, it is very much possible to land man on the moon.

choos. Look at what you just said.

Originally posted by choos
its cheaper and easier for them to have just gone to the moon.. and pocket the rest..

Now do you believe the von Prophecy is real?