Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

The only reason to go to the moon was to beat the Commies. Beat the Commies. Beat the Commies. Frank Borman says it over and over in his oral histories.


The military industrial complex has since set up shop outside low earth orbit and on the moon. NASA has always sticked their nose into other space programs but recently NASA has gone totally xenophobic....by insisting to be involved and integrated with lunar projects from other nations, JAXA, ISRO, ESA; by keeping Chinese researchers away from space conferences held on American soil; NASA has laid legal claim to the landing sites on the moon including keep out zones that are enforceable by the administrator --- who is an ex-Marine Corps jet pilot, a general officer who commanded No-Fly-Zones in the middle east, and a veteran Space Shuttle commander who flew multiple missions.

Charles Bolden is the perfect candidate to bring us into the Age of Asteroid threats; even more convincing is the bizarre interrelationship between the American space program and the supply chain of rocket engines... which leads to Russia... the country who builds rocket engines so well that they never figured how to get out of low earth orbit.


That's how Wernher von Braun predicted it would happen. He is the one who designed the Saturn V rocket. But his original plan was to send up many rockets to first build a space station and then go to the moon. Obviously this would take too long. Howard Hughes and Richard Nixon would not be pleased. So he build the Saturn V which can go to the moon with out anything else. A totally integrated single shot rocket. Just like Hitler ordered.

Once the rocket goes up he doesn't care what happens to it. That's not his department.

originally posted by: SayonaraJupiter
The only reason to go to the moon was to beat the Commies. Beat the Commies. Beat the Commies. Frank Borman says it over and over in his oral histories.

The military industrial complex has since set up shop outside low earth orbit and on the moon. NASA has always sticked their nose into other space programs but recently NASA has gone totally xenophobic....by insisting to be involved and integrated with lunar projects from other nations, JAXA, ISRO, ESA; by keeping Chinese researchers away from space conferences held on American soil; NASA has laid legal claim to the landing sites on the moon including keep out zones that are enforceable by the administrator --- who is an ex-Marine Corps jet pilot, a general officer who commanded No-Fly-Zones in the middle east, and a veteran Space Shuttle commander who flew multiple missions.

Charles Bolden is the perfect candidate to bring us into the Age of Asteroid threats; even more convincing is the bizarre interrelationship between the American space program and the supply chain of rocket engines... which leads to Russia... the country who builds rocket engines so well that they never figured how to get out of low earth orbit.

That's how Wernher von Braun predicted it would happen. He is the one who designed the Saturn V rocket. But his original plan was to send up many rockets to first build a space station and then go to the moon. Obviously this would take too long. Howard Hughes and Richard Nixon would not be pleased. So he build the Saturn V which can go to the moon with out anything else. A totally integrated single shot rocket. Just like Hitler ordered.

Once the rocket goes up he doesn't care what happens to it. That's not his department.

Here we go again you know Wernher Von Braun said no such thing it was made up years after his death by a woman who has been less than honest. There is no way to enforce keep out zones it was a request by NASA to preserve the sights when other countries go to the moon. The Ban on the Chinese was a law passed because the Chinese were caught spying on NASA. In fact got away with alot of top secret stuff in response congress passed a law saying chinese nationals are not allowed in NASA facilities. See when you only tell half truths like you do it makes you a liar.

a reply to: dragonridr

See when you only tell half truths like you do it makes you a liar.

A liar knows a liar then. Isn't that right, Surveyor?

originally posted by: SayonaraJupiter
The only reason to go to the moon was to beat the Commies. Beat the Commies. Beat the Commies. Frank Borman says it over and over in his oral histories.

saying the russians were definitely NOT part of the hoax.

Charles Bolden is the perfect candidate to bring us into the Age of Asteroid threats; even more convincing is the bizarre interrelationship between the American space program and the supply chain of rocket engines... which leads to Russia... the country who builds rocket engines so well that they never figured how to get out of low earth orbit.

suggesting the russians are also part of the hoax..

so which is it?

That's how Wernher von Braun predicted it would happen. He is the one who designed the Saturn V rocket. But his original plan was to send up many rockets to first build a space station and then go to the moon. Obviously this would take too long. Howard Hughes and Richard Nixon would not be pleased. So he build the Saturn V which can go to the moon with out anything else. A totally integrated single shot rocket. Just like Hitler ordered.

Once the rocket goes up he doesn't care what happens to it. That's not his department.

how could have Von Braun predicted that NASA would end up using russian rockets in the future?? wasnt he a very "paranoid anti-communist" yet he was able to predict that in the future NASA would have to rely on russian rocket tech?? was he a time traveller?

NASA spokesman admits that Russians have noplace to go in space....

a reply to: Misinformation

What do you mean by "admits"? It is a fact that the Russians don't have their own space station, so where else would they go?

Mr Oberg is a member of ATS so I'm sure he can expand on that very brief interview if you ask him.

a reply to: Misinformation


Funny how conspiracy theorists always claim that people are 'admitting' things when really they just mean 'state'. Sadly, you stated it all wrong.

James Oberg is not a NASA spokesperson, he is a space journalist.

He does not say the Russians have no place to go in space.

He does not say that the Russians can't go beyond LEO.

a reply to: Misinformation

Jim Oberg may be intimately involved with covering NASA, but he is not really a "NASA spokesperson".

Considering he writes about the space program for American news outlets, he would obviously have an association with NASA -- although not as an official spokesperson. However, beyond that, he is regarded by many (not just NASA) as an expert on the Russian space program; his book "Red Star in Orbit" was made into a really fine TV documentary series.

Oh -- and he is an active member of ATS and a regular contributor, so if you want to know more about his thoughts on this, I suggest you invite him over to this thread. He usually seems eager to add his two cents to threads in the space exploration forum (and even in the UFO forum).

I can't speak for him, nor do I quite understand what you are specifically implying, but I think he would have a few things to say on the matter that do not necessarily agree with what you seem to be implying.

a reply to: Misinformation

Here we see a perfect example of the real world butting up against delusion.

Mr Oberg is a member on ATS. So Misinformation, lets see you put your money where your mouth is and invite Mr Oberg onto this thread.

I'm guessing you won't, hell I know you won't, why? Firstly, the actual truth doesn't mean squat to you, and secondly you are not prepared to have your delusion, even a part of it, destroyed.

originally posted by: seabhac-rua
a reply to: Misinformation

Here we see a perfect example of the real world butting up against delusion.

Mr Oberg is a member on ATS. So Misinformation, lets see you put your money where your mouth is and invite Mr Oberg onto this thread.

I'm guessing you won't, hell I know you won't, why? Firstly, the actual truth doesn't mean squat to you, and secondly you are not prepared to have your delusion, even a part of it, destroyed.

Well since everyone seems scared to ask him i went ahead and emailed him he was last here on 6th so will see if he responds. However saying the russians wouldnt have a destination for there rockets is a far cry from saying they couldnt leave LEO if they wanted to. Granted it would take some time but they indeed have the technology needed.

a reply to: dragonridr well of course I'm scared ,,, do you really think the TPTB and their "associates" are going to allow the hoax to be exposed unchallenged...

originally posted by: Misinformation
a reply to: dragonridr well of course I'm scared ,,, do you really think the TPTB and their "associates" are going to allow the hoax to be exposed unchallenged...

Yeah sure or is it someone with extensive knowledge of the Russian space program can easily dispute your beliefs? See thats the problem with all the hoax theories in the end they cant stand up to the light of day. They can only seem plausible when taken as pieces when assembled in to a whole scenario it becomes obvious its nothing but lies. Like when people want to say Howard Hughes was some kind of genius and planned all this to fool the american public. As long as we only look at small parts it could be believable but when you put it in historical context its silly at best. Problem was Hughes became a nut case who couldnt even run his daily life kept his feces in bags in his closet. Now you may think thats normal but to me this isnt the kind of person that could pull off anything he had far bigger problems.

As Far as Russia the only reason they didnt go to the moon since arguably they were ahead of the Americans is simple. There was a huge explosion killing most of the people that were going to get them there. The other thing is there rocket was overly complicated which lead to the disaster in the first place.

So today I met Gene Cernan and shook his hand.

It was at the screening of a superb documentary about him:

www.theguardian.com...

In it they showed this image

eol.jsc.nasa.gov...

What's that in your visor Eugene?

Well, it's the South Massif behind Jack Schmitt and according to Stellarium it's exactly where Earth would be at the start of EVA 3 on December 13 1972, when the photograph was taken:



How about that. Yet another Apollo photograph with a tiny detail that exactly matches what should be there.

a reply to: onebigmonkey

Very jealous. How anybody can look at that photograph and think it is fake just boggles my mind. You would have to be incredibly small minded to think such a thing.

And the aptly named Mr Misnformation's answer is to blank out Jim Oberg's face. Well that makes sense...

For what it's worth,I'm on holiday in America at the moment,and did the standard Kennedy Space Centre tour yesterday.If this was a hoax,they're carrying on the charade for longer than any other claimed hoax in history,they spend countless millions of dollars arranging all the "props" so they can be inspected VERY closely by the thousands of visitors who visit KSC every day it's open. These "props" have the most staggering attention to detail I've ever seen for machinery that it's claimed never made it out of our atmosphere.
Here's a challenge for those who still cry "conspiracy" when ever the moon landings are mentioned. Take the KSC tour like I did and try to explain your reasons why you think it was all one big hoax to anyone who works there (yes I know they don't all work for NASA,and if course not people like the catering staff,groundskeepers etc),and let us know what they have to say about it please.

a reply to: Imagewerx

Besides people visiting KSC to get more of the Apollo story, I've always suggested that people watch the great six-part documentary series named "Moon Machines".

This series is incredibly well-done, and follows the engineering, testing, and construction of the various Apollo hardware, and includes interviews with many of the program managers and engineers who made vital contributions to the Apollo Program. It is extremely eye-opening to hear first-hand how some of the stories told by these people about the design and development of the machines that took humans to the Moon.

These are available on YouTube (at least for now, until the people who hold the copyright decide they to no longer want to give these away for free). Each of the six parts of the series concentrates on one aspect of the Apollo hardware:
(1) The Saturn V Launch Vehicle; (2) The Command Module; (3) The Lunar Module; (4) The Navigation Computer; (5) The Space Suit; and (6) The Lunar Rover.

Here is episode 1 -- The Saturn V:

I'll have to watch those when I get back home as my Android tablet seems to have suddenly started not playing some Youtube videos.

What is interesting is that they're still just as keen to point out all their achievements to visitors and not just the most famous ones like the moon landings. The Atlantis one where they showed us a film about the history of the space shuttles and then the screen lifts up to reveal the real Atlantis was a touch if genius in my opinion. Then the visit to launch control and the Saturn V carefully separated into it's component parts adds something very real and solid to something I watched as a boy on our old 405 lines black and white telly. They're justifiably proud of every single part of their history and what they've achieved throughout it,and so they should be.

originally posted by: Misinformation
a reply to: dragonridr well of course I'm scared ,,, do you really think the TPTB and their "associates" are going to allow the hoax to be exposed unchallenged...

that makes no sense.. arent you challenging them now?? and yet you are still alive?? they still let you do your thing day to day, as well as other more well known hoax believers..

shouldnt most hoax believers been silenced by now?? i mean its NASA for crying out loud..

they have managed to silence hundreds of thousands of people for over 40 years..

perhaps they just let the crazies keep talking?? or perhaps all the hoax believers "theories" have been so far off the mark there is no need to silence them.

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

In it they showed this image

eol.jsc.nasa.gov...

What's that in your visor Eugene?

Well, it's the South Massif behind Jack Schmitt and according to Stellarium it's exactly where Earth would be at the start of EVA 3 on December 13 1972, when the photograph was taken:

How about that. Yet another Apollo photograph with a tiny detail that exactly matches what should be there.

Which one is reversed?



eol.jsc.nasa.gov...

a reply to: SayonaraJupiter

Which one do you think?

I flipped it to show the the South Massif view as it actually is, not as it is reflected in Cernan's visor.

I also altered the levels and sharpened it.

While I did that I was sitting on my sofa facing west.