Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

reply to post by onebigmonkey

You see Nazis in the bathroom, just below the stairs. You see what you choose to see. Except what's in front of your nose.

Whats the matter? You don't like the Nazi's in your Apollo soup?

What would happen, if, Wernher von Braun didn't make it out of Germany alive. Who replaces von Braun? Would there be a race to the moon if von Braun was dead? Who would sell the Saturn rockets to Kennedy? Who showed color films of rockets and sold the V-2 program to Hitler?



When you look at space history it is clear to see that Nixon's Apollo sticks out like a sore thumb in space history. Even today, nobody has no way of going outside the earth radiation belts. All you have to do is think about it.

Here's Al Worden (Apollo 15, CMP) handing over the secret Apollo films to Mr. Rogers... after the stamp scandal.


Al Worden is also an envelope smuggler. But that's okay for some Apollo Defenders.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Even today, nobody has no way of going outside the earth radiation belts. All you have to do is think about it.

Oh I've thought about it. And what I think is this: whom should I trust on a subject which is, I admit, beyond my level of expertise? An anonymous person on the internet with an unhealthy Nixon fixation who provides no scientific evidence whatsoever to back up his claims, or a respected space scientist who studied the subject for decades, and who described such claims as "an assemblage of nonsense"?

Especially when only one of these viewpoints is backed up by all the other evidence out there: photos and videos and audio recordings of real live men indubitably and indisputably BEYOND the Van Allen belts. And the proven existence of the objects that they took with them, still there on the moon to this day, not to mention the continued existence of the samples they brought back with them, photographed in situ on the moon by the men who collected them.

It's so hard to know what to believe, isn't it?

Aaand cue JPG with pointy finger in 5... 4... 3...

SayonaraJupiter
] Whats the matter? You don't like the Nazi's in your Apollo soup?

Well done, you jusst revealed you know as little about music as you do about science.

What would happen, if, Wernher von Braun didn't make it out of Germany alive. Who replaces von Braun? Would there be a race to the moon if von Braun was dead? Who would sell the Saturn rockets to Kennedy? Who showed color films of rockets and sold the V-2 program to Hitler?

Shock news: rocket scientists with proven record of rocket building build rockets.

When you look at space history it is clear to see that Nixon's Apollo sticks out like a sore thumb in space history. Even today, nobody has no way of going outside the earth radiation belts. All you have to do is think about it.

So I guess the probes by the Russians (who actually knew about the belts before Van Allen and the Americans (and a whole bunch of other people since) provided conclusive proof that human life can't possibly exist beyond the VAB. You'll obviously be providing conclusive proof of this any time now right?

Tell us oh wise one, if film in a camera exposed to space like those in the unmanned probes does not fog thanks to all that radioactive soup, then what sort of impact would it have on a protected human being? You have figures for this right?

You will, of course, be able to tell us exactly what the VAB are, what shape they are and how far they extend. I'll look forward to that.

SayonaraJupiter
Here's Al Worden (Apollo 15, CMP) handing over the secret Apollo films to Mr. Rogers... after the stamp scandal.

Al Worden is also an envelope smuggler. But that's okay for some Apollo Defenders.

edit on 4/3/2014 by SayonaraJupiter because: (no reason given)

So now Mister Rogers is in on it? The pain, the pain....

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

They seemed to have cared back in 1972/1973 when congress decided that NASA could not afford both the Apollo Program and the Space Shuttle program.

Soylent, who specifically made the decisions to cancel the last 3 Apollo missions (18, 19, 20)? Who also wanted to cancel two more (16, 17) but was persuaded not to by someone (not a Congressman).

I thought we all agreed (at least in this thread) that it was Nixon's decision to cancel Apollo, not the Congress. It was a decision which ultimately kept NASA in low earth orbit for the lifespan of the shuttle.



Shortly after Apollo was cancelled von Braun was diagnosed with cancer and died in 1977. His dreams of sending people to Mars in the 1980's died, too.

Nixon put James C. Fletcher, a Howard Hughes scientist, into the NASA administrator role in 1971. Fletcher was a Mormon, he did not drink or smoke, died of lung cancer in 1991. Howard Hughes, according to the mythology, had surrounded himself with Mormons during his Vegas years and the years that Hughes was on the run (1970-1976).

These are all Nixon decisions (not the cancers, the decisions). Once again Nixon and Hughes have played a winning game of poker.... American television had conquered the world thanks to Hughes satellites and the Russians were out of the moon race.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


It was congress that cancelled the Apollo program if you want to get technical Nixons option was to fight for funding which he did not do.So Nixon cancelled Apollo in the respect he didnt care if it continued because had he been for the program he could have gotten them money. So i guess your implying apathy is cancelling the program then yeah sure. You know whats funny you get so few historical facts right and the sad part is you have the internet but ill help you read this.

Congress cut the NASA budget, NASA cancelled Apollo missions, KSC and its contractors laid off thousands of employees - not in one fell swoop but in a succession of smaller blows. Space enthusiasts had hoped to go on to a manned landing on Mars in the mid-1980s; it was not to be. American public opinion was shifting its priorities to other matters: civil disorders, Vietnam, decaying cities, campus unrest, and inflation. And Apollo was a victim of its own success. For laymen, one moon landing after another was a little boring. Noting the public's limited interest in Apollo 12, the New York Times concluded that a collective sense of anticlimax was "perhaps predictable considering the intense national emotion spent on the first moon landing four months ago."49

www.hq.nasa.gov...

Interview where Bart Sibrel brings up an interesting point.
Why would the Apollo 11 astronauts need a teleprompter:

(right next to Armstrong's hands)

during the press briefing?

youtu.be...

Full interview covers the spectrum:

youtu.be...

And before apollogists react by
besmirching Bart S. I dont care what you think about
him personally. I care about what he is talking about.
And what he talks about makes a lot of sense.

FoosM

Compare that photo of the apollo-astronauts to this photo:

First & Last Space Shuttle Crews Meet for 'Bookend' Photos

They really show happiness. But heck, they really went......to Low Earth Orbit.

reply to post by webstra

Yes what a miserable bunch they were.



They went to the moon. What have you done with your life that will have people still remembering your name in a thousand years?

The misserable fakery will be revealed Rob..and yes, those astronauts will be remembered, but not the way you like it.

I just saw another nice interview with Marcus Allen. The man knows a lot about the hasselblad camera and photographing in general.

Here it is

reply to post by FoosM

Interview where Bart Sibrel brings up an interesting point.
Why would the Apollo 11 astronauts need a teleprompter:


(right next to Armstrong's hands)

during the press briefing?

If they are 'using' the teleprompter, which is clearly a permanent feature of the press room, why are none of them actually looking at it?

reply to post by FoosM

And before apollogists react by
besmirching Bart S. I dont care what you think about
him personally. I care about what he is talking about.
And what he talks about makes a lot of sense.

Why don't you observe T&C and provide a summary of the video's contents?

Yeah they never smiled once in that press conference



Oh...wait...surely conspiracy theorists aren't cherry picking evidence to suit their point of view and deliberately ignoring stuff that makes them look wrong?

webstra
The misserable fakery will be revealed Rob..and yes, those astronauts will be remembered, but not the way you like it.

I just saw another nice interview with Marcus Allen. The man knows a lot about the hasselblad camera and photographing in general.

Here it is

He may be an excellent photographer, but he knows jack about radiation.

He says film rolls have an expiry date because they will ultimately fog because of background radiation. True, but is this in the order of years or the lifespan of an Apollo mission? What evidence does he have for the radiation levels? How come the Ranger, Lunar Orbiter, Zond and Luna probes, and the ATS satellites in geostationary orbit all used film but there is no fogging on any of the photos?

reply to post by onebigmonkey

Oh...wait...surely conspiracy theorists aren't cherry picking evidence to suit their point of view and deliberately ignoring stuff that makes them look wrong?

When the president does it, that means it is not cherry-picking.

Hey, Nixon called. He wants his paranoia back!

reply to post by FoosM

And before apollogists react by
besmirching Bart S. I dont care what you think about
him personally. I care about what he is talking about.
And what he talks about makes a lot of sense.

Excellent points made by Bart. And then I noticed that the youtube was uploaded on Published on Apr 1, 2014.

Now I just don't know what to think.

webstra
The misserable fakery will be revealed Rob..and yes, those astronauts will be remembered, but not the way you like it.

You really are putting yourself in a very silly position. All this time you're spouting nonsense on the internet, the Apollo hardware is sitting up there on the moon, quietly whizzing through space: physical proof of the landings. It's been there for over 40 years and it ain't going anywhere any time soon. It will still be there when the next men walk on the moon. It will still be there when people are travelling to the moon on a regular basis. It will still be there when the first moon base is established. It will still be there when the "Apollo World" theme park and museum, sponsored by McDonald's (or perhaps more likely by then, some Chinese mega corporation), is set up to attract lunar day trippers.

At which of these points will the hoaxers say "Oh... looks like we were wrong after all"? An interesting question. In sure a few of the real lunatic fringe will still invent yet another new theory as to how the hardware is planted/holograms/optical illusions/swamp gas, but you'd have to hope that in 100 years' time the hoax theory will have been permanently consigned to the dustbin of history.

I'd love to know what goes on inside those hoaxers' minds. I strongly suspect that by now, unless he is totally oblivious to common sense, even Jarrah White realises in his heart of hearts that he's been barking up the wrong tree, but he can't admit it because he has invested basically his whole life in a lie. Possibly Sibrel too, but I think he really is still deluded.

By the way, posting YouTube videos and saying "watch this" without summarising what is in them is very lazy. Most of us don't have time or the inclination to watch endless badly produced woo with no clue of what we are supposed to be looking out for. If you think someone is making a valid point, state what it is, tell us the time stamp, or even take screenshots and post them in the thread. You know, like actual evidence to debate, not Tots TV time.

reply to post by FoosM


Thanks for posting this FoosM. I didn't know that Bart was still active in the Apollo conspiracy field. This interview should be required listening. It would be cool to get Bart and Phil Plait over on Joe Rogan's show. Add in Jay Weidner and Jay Windley and the Mythbusters + Jarrah White, that would be an awesome show!

SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by onebigmonkey

 

Oh...wait...surely conspiracy theorists aren't cherry picking evidence to suit their point of view and deliberately ignoring stuff that makes them look wrong?

When the president does it, that means it is not cherry-picking.

Hey, Nixon called. He wants his paranoia back!

You really should see someone about your fixation with Nixon its bordering on psychotic. But hey maybe that was Nixons plan all along he wants you to think he faked the moon landing. Maybe when Nixon went to the moon he discovered Nazis were already there on several moon basses. And Nixon knew it be real expensive to fight vietnam and all those moon Nazis.Boy this is fun when you dont have to show any proof. But at least now we figured out the Nixon moon connection i wonder if Adolf managed to sneak up there makes you wonder if the Russians actually found his body.