Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

Rob48

FoosM

But those three photos are impossible to make in 4 seconds.

Why? You still haven't told us why they're impossible.

Yes I did in three videos.
If you cant see how impossible they are, then I can understand why
you think people went to the moon and came back alive in the 60's.

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FoosM

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Rob48
reply to post by choos

 

I still don't see that there's any problem with it taking four seconds. Even if it takes 2 seconds between exposures and it's actually closer to 1.5 seconds), then the elapsed time from the moment the first exposure is captured to the moment the third exposure is captured is only 4 seconds. Click (2 second gap) Click (2 second gap) Click.

Maybe it was done in four seconds, but as I mentioned before, Gene Cernan had nine seconds in between the time he told Schmitt to pose (i.e., when Cernan told Schmitt to "Get on there one time") and the time Cernan finished taking the pictures finished (when Cernan said "I got three of them that time").

Umm... no. Schmitt cuts that 9 seconds off.

How so? By Schmitt asking "Ready?" ??

[168:47:03] Cernan: Get on there one time.

[168:47:08] Schmitt: Ready?

[168:47:12] Cernan: I got three of them that time.

Schmitt could have been asking "Ready?" while Cernan was still taking pictures. Maybe Schmitt said that after the first or second picture. That is certainly extremely plausible.

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Extremely implausible.

Why? Well how would Schmitt know when Cernan took the photos?
There is no sound in space, remember?
They didnt use a flash.

But you didnt explain why Schmitt was asking READY?
What is the point of asking READY? After CERNAN told him to jump into the seat and
CERNAN had to get into position?

Its comical how you guys are trying to twist the obvious.
Why? Why are you trying to hard to hold on to the Apollo lie?

Rob48

FoosM

You would have us believe that Schmitt jumped into the car two to three times just for a photo!
Well you will have to calculate how long it would take a bulky suited astronaut on the moon to climb back out of the LM just
to jump back into his rover! I think most of us realists will realize that for sure wont take 4 seconds, but not even less than 9!

Foos, you know what they say about "liars needing to have good memories"? You are slipping, because you are now directly contradicting your own video.

Could I remind you that the premise of your original complaint was that there wasn't time to take three photos of a single jump into the rover because "it's too quick".

If you watched carefully all three of my videos you wouldn't need to bother with this post you made.
Unless you are trying to confuse the readers. But once the readers watch the videos they will realize
that either you are trying to confuse them, or you have an issue with comprehension. And Im being serious,
I don't understand how you can't comprehend the problem(s) that were presented.

FoosM

seabhac-rua

Rob48


But let's get back to the elephant in the room:

You still haven't told me how the Apollo 17 lunar module ascent stage took video of the moon that perfectly matches the first hi-res images of the area in question, which were taken almost 40 years later. How did the fakers manage to put all of those tiny surface features - features which weren't known about or photographed before the mission, because there were no cameras that could provide the resolution - in EXACTLY THE RIGHT PLACES?

I'd like to see the answer to this one?

C'mon really? You need somebody to spell this one out (thought its been spelled out several times)
Lets flip it. If somebody asked you to fake it, how would you do it?

Is that it? Is that your explanation for how the whole LRO imagery is a fake, along with the Chang'e 2 imagery that matches it (both must be fake, obviously, because it's not just the Apollo hardware that proves it genuine but every little crater, every little variance in surface albedo that is visible in the Apollo surface photographs)?

No evidence of fakery, just a question bounced back? You're effectively saying "I have no idea how it was faked and I'm not even going to try and explain it, but my religious conviction tells me it must be faked, so faked it is!"

Ok, I'll play. I wouldn't fake it because there is no way on earth (quite literally) that I could. And neither could you, and neither could NASA. And that's why they haven't. Well, that and the fact that they don't need to fake it, because they know that genuine imagery will match the Apollo imagery. How could it not match?

I agree with DJW. This is getting boring. You are bringing no new arguments to the table. You're not engaging with the effort I put in to provide proof that the landings couldn't have been faked. Not even a word of acknowledgment. You just parrot the same tired nonsense about three photos of Jack Schmitt sitting on his geologically-qualified behind.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel. It's not remotely challenging. Are there any HBs out there with some new ideas, please?

FoosM

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Rob48
reply to post by choos

 

I still don't see that there's any problem with it taking four seconds. Even if it takes 2 seconds between exposures and it's actually closer to 1.5 seconds), then the elapsed time from the moment the first exposure is captured to the moment the third exposure is captured is only 4 seconds. Click (2 second gap) Click (2 second gap) Click.

Maybe it was done in four seconds, but as I mentioned before, Gene Cernan had nine seconds in between the time he told Schmitt to pose (i.e., when Cernan told Schmitt to "Get on there one time") and the time Cernan finished taking the pictures finished (when Cernan said "I got three of them that time").

Umm... no. Schmitt cuts that 9 seconds off.

How so? By Schmitt asking "Ready?" ??

[168:47:03] Cernan: Get on there one time.

[168:47:08] Schmitt: Ready?

[168:47:12] Cernan: I got three of them that time.

Schmitt could have been asking "Ready?" while Cernan was still taking pictures. Maybe Schmitt said that after the first or second picture. That is certainly extremely plausible.

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Extremely implausible.

Why? Well how would Schmitt know when Cernan took the photos?
There is no sound in space, remember?
They didnt use a flash.

But you didnt explain why Schmitt was asking READY?
What is the point of asking READY? After CERNAN told him to jump into the seat and
CERNAN had to get into position?

Its comical how you guys are trying to twist the obvious.
Why? Why are you trying to hard to hold on to the Apollo lie?

Huh? Schmitt knew Cernan was taking pictures because (1) Cernan told him to get into the seat (he said "Get on there one time"), and (2) Schmitt could see Cernan working the camera. Between what Cernan said and what Schmitt could see him doing, it was probably obvious to Schmitt that Cernan wanted to take a picture and/or was taking pictures.

Obviously Schmitt could NOT know when Cernan was done taking the pictures because he can't hear the click -- and that's the point. Schmitt could not tell when Cernan was done, so he asked asked if Cernan was "ready?".

And as I mentioned in another post above, he wanted to know if Cernan was "Ready?" for two possible reasons (which are related). First of all, he probably wanted to know if he needed to hold the pose anymore. Secondly, he probably wanted to know if Cernan was ready to move on.

That's because (as I mentioned before) mission control had said 3 1/2 minutes earlier (at time mark 168:43:41) that they wanted "wheels rolling" on the LRV out of station nine in 4 minutes. Schmitt was probably trying to keep the team on task and on time, which could be why he asked if Cernan was "ready" -- i.e., done with that photo-op and ready to move on out/get LRV wheels rolling on time.

It isn't really that difficult to imagine three pictures being taken during that span.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

Excellent explanation, thank you.

Now that that's dealt with, Foos, perhaps you could move on to the small matter of how to make pictures in 1972 match high-res imagery that wouldn't be captured for almost another four decades. And not just match NASA's own imagery, but also match the Chinese imagery too. Are the Chinese in on it too? The Chang'e 2 map, which I'm sure with your excellent space knowledge you will be familiar with, has a resolution of 7 metres. Not enough to image the hardware directly, but certainly enough to spot features that are visible in Apollo surface photos and NOWHERE ELSE before that point.

What are the chances of building a set that ends up looking IDENTICAL to the surface of the moon that nobody had seen up close?

That really WILL be big news if you can explain that. I won't be holding my breath though.

Let's take a quick vote: how many people think that FoosM has made a valid point. Any valid point in the last week. Please vote as follows: 'FoosM is on to something' or FoosM is wasting everyone's time.

reply to post by DJW001


I'll take one from Box B please: FoosM is wasting everyone's time.

My own time more than most people's, I suspect.

FoosM

I dont understand where you think we are guessing about this.

168:47:03 Cernan: Get on there one time. (Pause)

ONE TIME! Not try it a COUPLE of times. Nowhere is it stated it took several attempts.
Now NASA themselves state the time from when CERNAN makes the request to
SCHMITT to jump into the ROVER to when SCHMITT asks CERNAN if he is "READY?" they go into positions
to make the photo:

[Gene goes to the front of the Rover to take pictures of Jack jumping in his seat. The three pictures are AS17-134- 20452, 20453, and 20454.]
[Cernan - "It was sort of a target of opportunity. It was just one of those (unplanned) things you do. And it's a pretty good picture."]

In position, SCHMITT asks:

168:47:08 Schmitt: Ready? (Pause)

What else can he be asking ready for? Ready to do what?
Well obviously he has to give a cue to CERNAN that he plans to jump because they are both
supposedly in space with space-suits on and the camera they are using is manual!
A few seconds later...

168:47:12 Cernan: I got three of them that time.

He confirms he took THREE photos.

Its a pretty clear in the transcript.
So dont tell me that I dont know,
I know because its written in black and white.

So either NASA has made a big mistake, or NASA is lying.
But those three photos are impossible to make in 4 seconds.
In the face of this clear evidence, if you want to keep being conned,
then thats something you have to live with.

no what you have here is a transcript, three images and a very rough timescale.. you are filling in the rest with your own imagination..

if you notice the sun rising in roughly the same position everyday and setting in roughly the same position everyday you.. you would guess the sun revolves around the earth.. without further evidence you cannot prove that the earth revolves around the sun..

cernan did ask schmitt to jump in one time, but since when has astronauts done exactly as they are told?? there have been instances where apollo astronauts have done something that NASA told them not to..

it has already been proven that 3 images can be taken in a space of 4 seconds.. yet you still cannot even prove when cernan began and stopped taking the photos..

if you are so 100% sure of what happen then obviously you must have some solid evidence of it happening, such as video footage.. so why dont you show me already? as far as i know there is no video footage of it happening therefore i am not 100% sure of when cernan began taking photos and when he stopped and neither are you..

yes cernan took 3 images.. that is not in question here, the question is when he began and when he stopped.. i want proof of this, stop avoiding the question.. video of cernan facing schmitt during this time is sufficient..
prove to us that when Schmitt asks "ready?" is he asking Cernan is he ready to take the photo or is he ready to leave? since you are 100% sure of what had happened proving this 100% shouldnt be a problem for you, right?

likewise since you are 100% sure schmitt only jump into the LRV once, also provide video footage of this happening during this time.. what makes you 100% sure that there was not an unannounced practice jump?

reply to post by choos

I've looked at his videos (and incidentally, Foos, why does it take you so long to get to the point? 1:40 before we even see the first photo?) and he shows no evidence whatsoever that all of the photos were even on the same "jump".

A perfectly plausible scenario would be that Jack climbed up when Gene first asked, during which time Gene took the first pic, or the first two pics perhaps. Then we hear Jack say "Ready?", and maybe he's posing a bit in the seat playing up to the camera, at which point Gene takes the remaining one or two photos.

Just because we don't know EXACTLY when, to the second, every Apollo photo was taken, Foos, it doesn't make them fake. I have box loads of old photos, some of which I don't even know what year I took them, but I'm pretty sure that none of them were hoaxes, and if equally sure that I actually went to the places that they depict.

Honestly, I'd love to be able to get inside your head and experience what you are experiencing when you look at Apollo photos. You see all these photos, all this proof that men walked on the moon, and what? Is there some kind of internal battle going on in your brain? "Hey, this looks pretty plausible..." "No... Must... Deny... Follow... Hoax... Religion..."

What is the great mental block that won't let you accept that men went to the moon? What part of your worldview is incompatible with it? How would your life be ruined if you allowed truth into your life? Fill in the blank: "I don't want to believe that man went to the moon because ________"

When you see beautiful photographs like this, with the lunar module a tiny speck more than two miles distant amid a vast and majestic landscape, do you not feel the tiniest pang of awe and pride at what our species can achieve when we put our minds to it? I do feel sorry for you if you don't.

Seriously, from a psychological viewpoint these questions fascinate me.

reply to post by Rob48


I think it starts with a basic distrust of the government which oddly we all have. The difference is people take it to the extreme because it makes them feel important or even in the know if you will. See when you think your the only one who really knows whats going on it gives you a feeling of power. Sometimes theirs conspiracies yes but more often than not its pretty straight forward. Than there is the other type the i hate America crew they will do anything or say anything to make America look bad ive never figured out this type because its just so varied. But i have suspected it has something to do with religion,race or just hatred of the west because you see the same thing when it comes to Israel but it appears to be more pervasive and you see the hatred better.

dragonridr
reply to post by Rob48

 

I think ....

Thinking is good. You should think about who was the president of the United States for all those faked Apollo moon landings. Think about that!

And then you can think about why no other world leader has tried to duplicate Nixon's Apollo in 42 years.

FoosM
Im sure that many people who have been fervently defending, on this site,
the authenticity of the moon landing claims by the US, are not even sure if
they really believe it anymore themselves. I think they are now defending
it out of pride, or maybe just habit.

Well said, FoosM. And welcome back! What do you think of this picture? I posted it earlier in the thread but the Apollo Defenders didn't want to address it.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Hello, Sayonara.

Ah yes, Richard Nixon. Took office January 20, 1969.

Less than six months before the launch of Apollo 11.

Tricky Dicky must have been a busy little bee if he managed to plan and execute a faked moon mission in six months!

And that's leaving aside the rather inconvenient fact that the Apollo programme had been mapped out long before Nixon was in office. It dates back to the Eisenhower era. Everything was already rolling, but you think Nixon was somehow able to convert a genuine Apollo program to a fake, build a gigantic and perfect moon set, recruit thousands of people to take charge of the big switcheroo AND buy the silence of all those already working on the genuine program, all in six months?

Just think for a moment about whether it's plausible for the new prez to suddenly waltz down to Houston and say, "Look guys, about this Apollo program. I don't think it's going to work. So I want you to stop what you're doing and instead start work on a FAKE Apollo program. Oh and I need that fake moon footage by July. Think you can do that?"

Nixon may have been a crook; he wasn't a miracle worker!

reply to post by Rob48

And that's leaving aside the rather inconvenient fact that the Apollo programme had been mapped out long before Nixon was in office. It dates back to the Eisenhower era.

Who was the Vice President during the Eisenhower era?

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


Seriously? You don't understand that glass reflects?

SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by Rob48

 

And that's leaving aside the rather inconvenient fact that the Apollo programme had been mapped out long before Nixon was in office. It dates back to the Eisenhower era.

Who was the Vice President during the Eisenhower era?

If you knew your history its not helping your case at all. See Eisenhower didnt want Nixon as vice president for his second term. In fact he was very reluctant on picking him.And finally when he did make a decision Nixon was sent overseas on lots of foreign travel keeping him away from washington on purpose It starts with trips to south america the purpose was to remove him from politics. And it works since he runs for president and loses the election to Kennedy.He was not liked at all by washington or the media in fact his concession speech to Kennedy says it all. He said and i quote "You won't have Nixon to kick around anymore because, gentlemen, this is my last press conference" sound like someone in charge to you? See youve woven together alot of misinformation and you convinced yourself of a false narrative i suggest you read some stuff Nixon actually wrote he even tells you in detail how he was ostracized from the white house.

Here try reading this book maybe you'll learn the truth.

en.wikipedia.org...

Just posted this in a different thread. But check this video out.

Operation moon blink.
m.youtube.com...

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


You really are obsessed with the man. Ok, I'll bite, it was Richard Milhous Nixon.

I'm not sure what you are suggesting here. US politics is not my strong suit. Are you perhaps implying that Nixon set up a fake program back in the 1950s, which JFK then inherited and must have known about when he made his famous pledge to go to the moon, and JFK never said a word about it? If I discovered a massive plot carried out by my main election rival then I think I might try to make some political capital out of it, don't you?

Anyway, back to Apollo. Let's apply some Jupiter logic.

Apollo 8 was obviously genuine, because it was before the evil genius Nixon took control. So we know that Apollo was capable of taking men to lunar orbit and bringing them back safely.

Apollo 9: what say you on Apollo 9? It launched on March 3, which is what, six weeks after N-day. Tricky. If it was fake, that's a heck of a quick turnaround. Six weeks to plan and carry out a fake version of a mission that had already been announced in detail. If it was genuine, then hey - as well as circumlunar flight being possible, the genuine LM and PLSS both work just as they should. It's almost starting to look like we could just actually go to the moon and save ourselves some bother!

Apollo 10: the dress rehearsal. Nixon and his eccentric pal Howard had almost four months to get this one off the ground (or should I say pretend to get it off the ground? Where did the rocket that blasted off in Florida actually go if not out to the moon?) Was this one a fake or not? I'm confused.

Apollo 11: definitely fake, according to you.

So at what point did the great switch happen? Please explain in detail how the timeline worked in your world, where Nixon was pulling the strings.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


Sayanara, please critic the following argument:

The war in Viet Nam allegedly ended in 1975.

Richard Nixon was president in 1975,

Therefore, the war in Viet Nam did not end.