Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

yeah its pretty obvious the moon landing was a hoax from all ive read it sounds a hoax a mile away

turbonium1

Your images of Hurricane Bernice match up so perfectly, and that's the problem.

Look at time-lapse satellite images - the weather patterns continually change - hour-by-hour, each and every single day.

But weather patterns never changed that one miraculous day, back in 1969!

I suppose you'll tell me it was taken at the very same time, yet another of Apollo's amazing coincidences.

so what you are saying is that NASA engineered hurricane bernice??

dragonridr

What hes not getting across to you is this to fake moon gravity They have to reduce the amount of weight of our astronaut. The moons gravity is 5/6ths less then earth or percentage wise 83.3 percent less. To keep math simple our atronaut weighs exactly 200 lbs on the moon hed weigh in at 33.4 lbs. Meaning i have to make a pulley system that takes away 166.6lbs to get him to jump as high.Great we just made sure our earth bound astronaut can jump as high as he could on the moon. Now comes the problem Earths gravity is still higher and an object on earth is going to fall faster then an object on the moon so even though our astronauts now weigh the same the gravity effecting them is different pulling our earth bound astronaut down slightly faster. The only way to correct for this is again take more weight off the astronaut on earth.This would allow him to jump higher and thus take longer to hit the surface. But then you would see he jumped alot higher into the air.

This is why you cant use pullies and ropes to simulate gravity and have it work when examined on film because we have college students that do exactly that in fact i had to in a physics class. We had to figure out the height and force used in jump simple way to get one to understand the math and try to make it interesting.

You say it's not possible to simulate a 1/6 g jump by using wires (or ropes/pullies), because it can't simulate the descent with accuracy. It is a little bit 'faster' than a real 1/6 g descent would be.

Is that about it?

You base the argument on...what? The video?

A comparison of two jumps. A jump supposedly done on the moon, compared to a jump done on a 'Mythbusters' episode.

We know the 'Mythbusters' jump uses wires. It is merely slowed down to 67% speed, and then compared to the 'moon' jump.

The result is quite stunning. Why?

Because - the jump done by 'Mythbusters' was NOT EVEN MEANT TO REPLICATE A 'MOON' JUMP!!

You guys speak as if the jump was meant to replicate Young's jump - which only speaks to how amazing it is!

dragonridr

Conveniently you ignored the point he was making on how the Russians would have known it was faked and would have told the entire planet. They tracked the Apollo spacecraft In fact not only tracked it tried to beat it to the moon in there rush they crashed there spacecraft into the moon, Only hours before Apollo 11 landed.

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You conveniently ignored the fact of Russia being completely silent about JFK's murder, a few years before Apollo began.

That is historical precedent, you should know by now.

choos

so what you are saying is that NASA engineered hurricane bernice??

That's exactly what I'm saying, which is why I didn't say it. You know that I never say what I'm saying.


No, you just made it all up. As usual.

turbonium1

dragonridr

What hes not getting across to you is this to fake moon gravity They have to reduce the amount of weight of our astronaut. The moons gravity is 5/6ths less then earth or percentage wise 83.3 percent less. To keep math simple our atronaut weighs exactly 200 lbs on the moon hed weigh in at 33.4 lbs. Meaning i have to make a pulley system that takes away 166.6lbs to get him to jump as high.Great we just made sure our earth bound astronaut can jump as high as he could on the moon. Now comes the problem Earths gravity is still higher and an object on earth is going to fall faster then an object on the moon so even though our astronauts now weigh the same the gravity effecting them is different pulling our earth bound astronaut down slightly faster. The only way to correct for this is again take more weight off the astronaut on earth.This would allow him to jump higher and thus take longer to hit the surface. But then you would see he jumped alot higher into the air.

This is why you cant use pullies and ropes to simulate gravity and have it work when examined on film because we have college students that do exactly that in fact i had to in a physics class. We had to figure out the height and force used in jump simple way to get one to understand the math and try to make it interesting.

You say it's not possible to simulate a 1/6 g jump by using wires (or ropes/pullies), because it can't simulate the descent with accuracy. It is a little bit 'faster' than a real 1/6 g descent would be.

Is that about it?

You base the argument on...what? The video?

No science and mathematics

A comparison of two jumps. A jump supposedly done on the moon, compared to a jump done on a 'Mythbusters' episode.

We know the 'Mythbusters' jump uses wires. It is merely slowed down to 67% speed, and then compared to the 'moon' jump.

The result is quite stunning. Why?

Why? well they were attempting to replicate lunar gravity on earth.

Because - the jump done by 'Mythbusters' was NOT EVEN MEANT TO REPLICATE A 'MOON' JUMP!!

Well that makes no sense they hook him to wires use a slow motion camera and film him but you think they werent trying to replicate the moon video? Why did they dress him up in a space suit he had nothing else to wear?

You guys speak as if the jump was meant to replicate Young's jump - which only speaks to how amazing it is!

This was sort of the purpose of the show they are called mythbusters you know. Now its not my fault you dont understand gravity and how it works but the higher the gravity the more it tries to pull you down to the object with gravity. The moon is smaller then earth so its gravity is less. The only way to replicate it is to reduce the gravity you will get an exact match. Making something lighter doesnt change the speed at which it falls.This has been know since Isaac Newton first conducted his experiments. This is also the reason the two videos dont match. If you have a problem understanding this i would suggest learning about gravity.

turbonium1

dragonridr

Conveniently you ignored the point he was making on how the Russians would have known it was faked and would have told the entire planet. They tracked the Apollo spacecraft In fact not only tracked it tried to beat it to the moon in there rush they crashed there spacecraft into the moon, Only hours before Apollo 11 landed.

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You conveniently ignored the fact of Russia being completely silent about JFK's murder, a few years before Apollo began.

That is historical precedent, you should know by now.

Really and why should they tell the Americans what happened if they even knew your logic is flawed. The soviets gain nothing by it and thats assuming they were even involved most likely they were not. I love it how people make up excuses in there head and go that makes sense wow. I strongly suggest you look in to the cold war and how the soviets were verry mad at the United States. See they saw democracy as a threat to communism. And they wanted to show the world communism is better so they went on a pr campaign claiming all kinds of things like how they invented electricity for example. Now knowing they didnt like the United states and took pleasure in humiliating them why do you think they would help them solve the JFK assassination doesnt make sense does it?

Ps after the fall of the Soviet Union the files for the KGB went up for sale and guess what they believed it was a lone gunman by the way might want to look in to that as well.

turbonium1

That's exactly what I'm saying, which is why I didn't say it. You know that I never say what I'm saying.


No, you just made it all up. As usual.

well, considering you are saying that NASA made up the images of hurricane bernice so that they can show it on live tv for apollo 11 and the photographs, that is what you are hinting at when you say they control everything right? even if they dont control everything

they obviously could not edit in the images on the day they didnt have the technology to do that, so it would have been prepared earlier..

so it leaves several options..

1, they used a time machine
2, the entire west coast and mexico were in on the hoax
3, they engineered a real hurricane to replicate their fake imagery and video for live tv
4, they went to the moon

now i doubt you believe 1, and 2 is not possible and well we all know you dont believe 4 so the onl possible reason is that NASA engineered hurricane bernice.

dragonridr
Well that makes no sense they hook him to wires use a slow motion camera and film him but you think they werent trying to replicate the moon video? Why did they dress him up in a space suit he had nothing else to wear?

Mythbusters did not use slow motion, Jarrah White did. Mythbusters could have used slow motion, but that would have destroyed their whole pro-Apollo stance. They were NOT trying to replicate a moon jump, that's what you don't understand.

dragonridr

This was sort of the purpose of the show they are called mythbusters you know. Now its not my fault you dont understand gravity and how it works but the higher the gravity the more it tries to pull you down to the object with gravity. The moon is smaller then earth so its gravity is less. The only way to replicate it is to reduce the gravity you will get an exact match. Making something lighter doesnt change the speed at which it falls.This has been know since Isaac Newton first conducted his experiments. This is also the reason the two videos dont match.

No, the reason the two videos don't match up perfectly is - as I said - because the Mythbusters jump was never intended to duplicate the 'moon' jump.

Is it your position that wires cannot hold up a person as long as Young was held up? Do you also believe wires cannot slow a person's descent to the exact same speed as Young's descent?

If this is your claim, which it seems to be, I'd like to know why it's not possible to suspend/descend a person using wires any longer than they suspended/descended the Mythbusters guy. I'm sure you have a really good reason(s) for such a claim, right?.....

The question is also raised about the slowmotion theory.

They move slow both horizontal and vertical, with the 1/6 gravity they should move horizontal as fast or even faster than here on earth, but they don't...

I'm confused

dragonridr


Really and why should they tell the Americans what happened if they even knew your logic is flawed. The soviets gain nothing by it and thats assuming they were even involved most likely they were not. I love it how people make up excuses in there head and go that makes sense wow. I strongly suggest you look in to the cold war and how the soviets were verry mad at the United States. See they saw democracy as a threat to communism. And they wanted to show the world communism is better so they went on a pr campaign claiming all kinds of things like how they invented electricity for example. Now knowing they didnt like the United states and took pleasure in humiliating them why do you think they would help them solve the JFK assassination doesnt make sense does it?

Indeed, they would NOT "help them solve the JFK assassination". They would ACCUSE them of (being involved in) the JFK assassination!

Do you know that many Americans did not believe the official 'lone nut' story at the time, and that a vast majority of Americans today do not believe the official story? Are you aware of the implications of this? Many Americans did not trust their own government after this event.

Now, let's see your own words, along with my revision in bold...

"..the soviets were verry mad at the United States. See they saw democracy as a threat to communism. And they wanted to show the world communism is better so they went on a pr campaign claiming all kinds of things like how they invented electricity for example. Now knowing they didnt like the United states and took pleasure in humiliating them why do you think they would not jump at the chance to humiliate the US government about JFK doesnt make sense does it?"

Do you see my point now?

If so many Americans didn't believe their own government on JFK's murder, why oh why would their arch-enemy, bent on humiliating them, STAY SILENT ON THIS?? This makes no sense, on any level.

So why would you think they'd spill the beans on a fake moon landing, if they didn't say squat on the JFK issue?

One more thing - we know many Americans did not believe the offical JFK story, so it was the perfect opportunity for Soviet propaganda. But almost all Americans believed the offical Apollo story, so it would be much harder for the Soviets to convince Americans it was a hoax.

dragonridr

Ps after the fall of the Soviet Union the files for the KGB went up for sale and guess what they believed it was a lone gunman by the way might want to look in to that as well.

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I wouldn't think the KGB would have been so dumb/naive to buy into that crap, moreso when it's coming from their (so-called) sworn enemy.

Anyway, if you could post your sources for that, I'd like to see them.

turbonium1
No, the reason the two videos don't match up perfectly is - as I said - because the Mythbusters jump was never intended to duplicate the 'moon' jump.

Is it your position that wires cannot hold up a person as long as Young was held up? Do you also believe wires cannot slow a person's descent to the exact same speed as Young's descent?

If this is your claim, which it seems to be, I'd like to know why it's not possible to suspend/descend a person using wires any longer than they suspended/descended the Mythbusters guy. I'm sure you have a really good reason(s) for such a claim, right?.....

jarrah white attempted to duplicate it.. and it has failed though.

what you dont understand is that they are meant to be same, since they reached the same height..

everything on the moon will fall at exactly the same acceleration regardless of its mass.. and so jarrah's video should have been the same which is just wasnt.

but anyway this is all assuming they had the ability to use slow motion in the first place.. which they didnt, incase you forgot.

turbonium1

Anyway, if you could post your sources for that, I'd like to see them.

and so where were your sources for GCR's being able to make someone sick or even kill them in a week??

choos

and so where were your sources for GCR's being able to make someone sick or even kill them in a week??

First of all, you need to prove I ever made that claim, which you say I made and didn't provide sources for.

I've been waiting a long time, so let's see it, or can it.

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Well tje KGB had no proof of Kennedy's assassination in fact there whole theory was off the wall.They believed it was Johnsons administration that got Oswald to kill Kennedy in an attempt to frame the soviets because Oswald was supposed to be a communist sympathizer.But this was of little interest to the soviets other then blackmail if they could find proof.

But the Apollo mission if it were faked they would have proof and im thinking there motivation was the United states rubbing there nose in it just like a puppy making an accident on the carpet. If you dont believe the moon landings humiliated the soviets your crazy. And if you dont think they had proof it was fake they wouldnt have screamed it to the world you obviously didnt understand the cold war. Problem was they were tracking Apollo and even then as i said tried to upstage the Americans by landing a craft right before they were to land was actually hoping to get pictures of the Apollo landing but the craft crashed no pictures and the soviets ate crow so to speak.

choos

jarrah white attempted to duplicate it.. and it has failed though.

what you dont understand is that they are meant to be same, since they reached the same height..

everything on the moon will fall at exactly the same acceleration regardless of its mass.. and so jarrah's video should have been the same which is just wasnt.

The jump was done by a Mythbusters guy, not by Jarrah White!!!

Jarrah White showed their jump in his video, slowed down to 67% speed.

Do you claim wires can lift a person to match Young's lift, but cannot hold a person to match with Young, and cannot descend a person to match with Young?

Yes or no?

If you say yes, then you better start proving it.

But you have nothing, right?

Please can anyone claiming they used wires to hoist astronauts identify:

1) the harnesses
2) the wires
3) the guys operating the pulleys that moved the wires and harness
4) How they edited this out of the continuous footage of lunar EVA's, especially the live broadcasts.

As a helpful aid, here are photographs of an astronaut in the harness they used to actually help them train:

dragonridr
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Well tje KGB had no proof of Kennedy's assassination in fact there whole theory was off the wall.They believed it was Johnsons administration that got Oswald to kill Kennedy in an attempt to frame the soviets because Oswald was supposed to be a communist sympathizer.But this was of little interest to the soviets other then blackmail if they could find proof.

You just told me how the Soviets made up all sorts of outlandushstories, like inventing the light bulb, now you think they needed to have proof to say anything about JFK's murder!

Good one.

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Kennedy through down the gauntlet to the Russians and who would be first to the moon...we couldnt lose to them...nuff said

META
Apollo Defenders, god bless 'em, have used a wide variety of propaganda to defend Apollo. Kennedy's moon landing dream, became Johnson's moon landing boondoggle, which became Nixon's Apollo. It is rightly called Nixon's Apollo because he was the president at the time each "moon" landing occurred.

Apollo Defenders know there are a lot of skeletons in NASA's closet and Apollo was total propaganda. The only way to defend a propaganda is with more propaganda. And this thread is a disclosure of the methods used by NASA propagandists. To wit:



1. Glittering generalities. e.g., "Millions of scientists this or that... they must all be lying about it.",
2. Transfer. "But the Russians would have exposed everything!".
3. Name-calling. Calling names, "Hoax believer/s", in an open forum.
4. Card stacking. "So you are saying the moon is made of cheese?"
5. Testimonial. "I shook the man's hand. He looked me square in the eye. I believe NASA would not lie."
6. Plain folks. "The Apollo astronauts are patriotic, courageous men who would never lie about it."
7. Band wagon. "The 400,000 fallacy", they'd all have to be lying about it. (And one of my favorites, "We all saw it on TV!")