Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

turbonium1

Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey came out in 1968, that proves we had the technology to fake it, beyond a doubt.

As for weather patterns matching up, here's a hint -

Who was launching weather satellites in the 1960's?

kubrick didnt have the technology to wide screen video pans..


and no one was able to film hours of footage in slow motion.. have you watched the video yet?? i dont think you have given that you posted jarrah's take on john youngs jumping salute so here it is again.


so you are saying that the entire world who saw the weather on that particular day for all apollo missions were all in on the hoax?? you have now extended the hoax perpetrators to the entire world??

and how do you suppose they were able to edit it in real time? but ofcourse they predicted the weather several months or years in advanced..

choos

so playing it at 2x times speed proves that the original was done at half speed now?? dont you think they are moving pretty fast at your listed 2x speed?

Their movements are completely normal, no faster than any humans can move. If you think otherwise, be more specific.

choos

they hardly moved their arms and you can tell so much from barely any arm movement?? the whole fact that you posted the 2x video shows without a doubt that it was not done at half speed.

They moved their arms enough to see that it's done in the same slow motion as everything else they do. That's the point.

If you need to see more arm movement to know if it's really slower than normal, we can look at other missions, which have plenty of arm movements slowed down to 2/3 speed.

choos

so glad you brought this video up.. the following video proves that jarrahs video of john youngs jumping salute was done on the moon and yes it used jarrahs own footage.

ive posted this several times already and obviously you have ignored it since you posted jarrahs video. but thanks for proving the john youngs jumping salute was done in on the moon.

Are you serious? This is a joke.

If you need to slow it down to a few frames before noticing any difference, that's hardly a point in your favor.

Here's what you're saying - the two guys jump up at the same time. But, since the guy on the left lands a fraction of a second later than the guy on the right does, it means the guy on the left must be on the moon!

Is that about it?

Now, what would happen if the guy on the right got suspended by the wires just a little bit longer than he was in the video clip?

Yes, he would land a bit AFTER the guy on the left would, right?

And it would prove HE was on the moon!


Well done.

turbonium1
Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey came out in 1968, that proves we had the technology to fake it, beyond a doubt.

But the Moon scenes in 2001: A Space Odyssey looked nothing like the Moon as seen from the Apollo missions.

turbonium1
As for weather patterns matching up, here's a hint -

Who was launching weather satellites in the 1960's?

That's sort of the point. One of the hoax believers biggest claim is that the Apollo 11 footage filmed inside the capsule on the way to the Moon (footage that showed a whole Earth in the distance) was actually made in low Earth orbit, and to make the Earth look small they filmed the earth through a small round cut-out at the window.

However, the weather patterns on the whole earth seen in that film of the whole Earth exactly match weather patterns seen ion the whole earth by weather satellites at that time.

Therefore, Apollo 11 was really NOT in low Earth orbit and filming the Earth through a cut-out. They were quite a distance away, on their way to the Moon.

choos
so you are saying that the entire world who saw the weather on that particular day for all apollo missions were all in on the hoax?? you have now extended the hoax perpetrators to the entire world??

and how do you suppose they were able to edit it in real time? but ofcourse they predicted the weather several months or years in advanced..

edit on 13-10-2013 by choos because: (no reason given)

Who "saw" the weather patterns from orbit? Nobody did, or could, except for NASA.

Do you think anyone can tell that a satellite image was taken at 1100 hrs EST, August 12, 1969, because they looked up at the sky at the very same time?

NASA's satellite images are compared to NASA's Apollo images, and what a surprise to see that they are a perfect match!

Sigh..

turbonium1

Who "saw" the weather patterns from orbit? Nobody did, or could, except for NASA.

Do you think anyone can tell that a satellite image was taken at 1100 hrs EST, August 12, 1969, because they looked up at the sky at the very same time?

NASA's satellite images are compared to NASA's Apollo images, and what a surprise to see that they are a perfect match!

Sigh..

its not hard to tell whether or not its cloudy or clearskies in your local area.. this goes for the entire world.. so you think that they decided to just make up the weather for apollo and hope for the best?? like say a tropical cyclone??

turbonium1

Their movements are completely normal, no faster than any humans can move. If you think otherwise, be more specific.

look at the speed at which they move from point a to point b in your 2x video and tell me that looks real.. you are kidding right?

They moved their arms enough to see that it's done in the same slow motion as everything else they do. That's the point.

If you need to see more arm movement to know if it's really slower than normal, we can look at other missions, which have plenty of arm movements slowed down to 2/3 speed.

really i can hardly see the arm movements.. i can see their torso moving about and small fore arm movements...

but really have you even noticed how fast they hop around at 2x speed?? and you claim that it was done at exactly half speed..........

Are you serious? This is a joke.
If you need to slow it down to a few frames before noticing any difference, that's hardly a point in your favor.
Here's what you're saying - the two guys jump up at the same time. But, since the guy on the left lands a fraction of a second later than the guy on the right does, it means the guy on the left must be on the moon!
Is that about it?
Now, what would happen if the guy on the right got suspended by the wires just a little bit longer than he was in the video clip?
Yes, he would land a bit AFTER the guy on the left would, right?
And it would prove HE was on the moon!
Well done.

not a point in my favour?? so you think its in your favour?? were jarrah is claiming they used 2/3 speed and ropes to produce the effect and yet the effect doesnt even line up with john youngs jump?? its supposed to be the same, the height jumped is the same but why does john young stay "airborne" longer than the mythbusters??

so there is a flaw in your video, clearly they did not use ropes and slowed motion (even though slow motion wasnt really possible) they had to use lowered gravity.

turbonium1

As for weather patterns matching up, here's a hint -

Who was launching weather satellites in the 1960's?

So what are you claiming here? NASA faked the weather? Here's the thing - NASA may have launched the satellites but they didn't manage them, that was done by the Environmental Science and Services Administration, so I guess your only argument here is that Americans faked the weather.

Unfortunately for that rather feeble argument the satellite data could be received worldwide by any country that had the equipment, and even by amateurs who had the equipment eg see here.

So, instead of just trying a nudge nudge wink wink approach, how about actually looking at that evidence and producing a considered response. Here is just one example of the dozens I have looked at from every Apollo mission.

On July 16 1969 Apollo 11 made a TV broadcast after TLI. During that TV broadcast they showed a view of Earth. That view of Earth matches exactly what should have been visible in terms of the land mass, position of the terminator and so on.

Several newspapers took photographs of that broadcast, and one of them put that photograph on the front page on July 17th, so we know for a fact that it had to be from before that date. Here's that newspaper front page.



Now let's have a look at that picture compared with a screenshot from the video, just so we can prove it's the same thing:



During the build up to the launch, Hurricane Bernice was developing in the Eastern Pacific. Here are some photographs of it developing:



It should be evident from that images above that the hurricane had a very distinct form on July the 16th, so it should be obvious don't you think?

What the crew also did was take photographs of the same view, and below you can see a section of one of those stills compared with the July 16th satellite photograph of Hurricane Bernice and the video still:



Every other weather pattern can also be made out as on the two satellite images compared with a still iamge of the same view from my site:



I've even added some pretty coloured arrows to help you out

So, we have a TV broadcast on July 16th showing a hurricane in a form only visible on that day, and which can also be seen in the image pictured on the front of the next day's newspaper. The satellite image would not have been available at the time of the TV transmission, because it would have taken several orbits to complete. I'd venture to suggest that it would not have been compiled in time for it to be on the front page of the Coshocton Tribune. Oh, and it was only available in black & white - not colour.

So if you have any kind of rational explanation other than "I don't trust NASA", then I'd love to hear it. None of the above is NASA research - it's mine, and the only thing that's from a NASA site is the original video and photograph.

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Oh dear. I've been gone the better part of a year and this nonsense is still going on. Moon Hoax Believers believe that no-one had the technology to land people on the Moon, but the United States has the technology to engineer the weather. Duh.

DJW001
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Oh dear. I've been gone the better part of a year and this nonsense is still going on. Moon Hoax Believers believe that no-one had the technology to land people on the Moon, but the United States has the technology to engineer the weather. Duh.

Chinese are going to the moon in December. NASA has the LADEE laser defense already stationed around the moon. NASA has rejected Chinese scientists clearance to attend science meetings. NASA is in shut down mode. Asteroids are increasing.

Something strange is going on here, DJW. Anyway good to see you posting in an Apollo thread!

Just morbidly curious ... has anyone actually ever changed their mind on this subject via reading on ATS?

Even if you're just lurking can you throw out a post and say something? I'm genuinely curious if it actually happens or if it's mostly just the same people all the time.

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Chinese are going to the moon in December. NASA has the LADEE laser defense already stationed around the moon. NASA has rejected Chinese scientists clearance to attend science meetings. NASA is in shut down mode. Asteroids are increasing.

The Chinese are not "rejected" by NASA, but are prohibited from access to American aerospace technology by a Cold War era law passed by Congress. Some NASA scientists are actually pushing for more cooperation. It's true that NASA has had nearly all its funding temporarily cut due to the current political theater, but that has nothing to do with the materiality of the Moon landings. And no, asteroids are not increasing any more than earthquakes or volcanoes.

Something strange is going on here, DJW. Anyway good to see you posting in an Apollo thread!

Thank you!

Pinke
Just morbidly curious ... has anyone actually ever changed their mind on this subject via reading on ATS?

Even if you're just lurking can you throw out a post and say something? I'm genuinely curious if it actually happens or if it's mostly just the same people all the time.

META I believe that anyone could read 5 random pages in this thread and they will come away from it knowing more about the Apollo program than they probably care to know. Apollo threads are stimulating, educational and perverse entertainment for the lurkers. It takes a certain stamina and fortitude to post in these threads. Heck, it takes real stamina just to read 5 pages of it!

META The thread will seem repetitious to us and those who us follow it every day (like I do.) I will gladly echo your morbid curiosity and ask those lurkers to lurk less. And if they are not interested to discuss the sources and facts of Apollo, at least, to comment on the quality of the thread, in a sort of META commentary way.

What do the lurkers think of 700+ boxes of missing Apollo telemetry tapes? Or the fact that Richard Nixon's brother, who studied geology, couldn't find a job in geology with two geology degrees, went to work at Bellcomm in the "staffing" department. I put "staffing" in quotes because it's preeeeetttty obvious who he was staffing for... the... CIA.

What kind of operation is this? The president's brother Ed has the qualifications for the job!! The story becomes clear when reading the oral history of Farouk El-Baz, the Egyptian geologist, who was hired by Bellcomm, as a geologist, to work for NASA under contracts, sorting out the original Lunar Orbiter imagery and acting in the capacity of Secretary of the Landing Site Selection Committee. Farouk was nicknamed the "King" by the Apollo spacemen according to his vast knowledge of geology and photography that he imparted to them.

Who hires an Egyptian geologist for an American expedition to the moon ??-- when the president's brother Ed already has two geology degrees and can't find a job in geology! Makes one think that Apollo was a CIA operation all along, a propaganda device at the most needed time in American history, when the dreams of the USA were shot down in Dallas, in the Gulf of Tonkin, in Memphis, in Los Angeles, and the television set projected a distored view of realilty into the scatter-brained consciousness of American experience.

SayonaraJupiter
Who hires an Egyptian geologist for an American expedition to the moon ??-- when the president's brother Ed already has two geology degrees and can't find a job in geology! Makes one think that Apollo was a CIA operation all along, a propaganda device at the most needed time in American history, when the dreams of the USA were shot down in Dallas, in the Gulf of Tonkin, in Memphis, in Los Angeles, and the television set projected a distored view of realilty into the scatter-brained consciousness of American experience.

this is almost racist.. farouk had a PhD in geology.. it looks like farouk would be much more qualified in geology than ed nixon.

SayonaraJupiter
NASA has the LADEE laser defense already stationed around the moon.

You mean with its low powered communications lasers that the military needs to adapt into weapons since they're so effective?

SayonaraJupiter
Farouk was nicknamed the "King" by the Apollo spacemen

You really do not know much history, he was nicknamed after
en.wikipedia.org...

Zaphod58

SayonaraJupiter
NASA has the LADEE laser defense already stationed around the moon.

You mean with its low powered communications lasers that the military needs to adapt into weapons since they're so effective?

He has no idea the current technology of lasers.People see shows on television where they have them in a pistol and go oh thats a laser. But few people realize to become a weapon the power needed.Until we can iscover cold fusion or anti matter reactors the size of a battery it just isnt going to happen.best a laser can do is try to catch something on fire and that can be stopped with a reflective coating or heat resistant coating. Now using a laser against a spacecraft in space not effective at all the space craft is already designed to handle it if it wasnt the sun itself would kill the space craft long before it got there its the biggest laser in the solar system.

The only effective weapon will be particle beams and they require even more power to get particles moving at the speed of light look at cern. Funniest part is we have people saying NASA cant go to the moon but apparently has the power to rewrite physics.

choos

SayonaraJupiter
Who hires an Egyptian geologist for an American expedition to the moon ??-- when the president's brother Ed already has two geology degrees and can't find a job in geology! Makes one think that Apollo was a CIA operation all along, a propaganda device at the most needed time in American history, when the dreams of the USA were shot down in Dallas, in the Gulf of Tonkin, in Memphis, in Los Angeles, and the television set projected a distored view of realilty into the scatter-brained consciousness of American experience.

this is almost racist.. farouk had a PhD in geology.. it looks like farouk would be much more qualified in geology than ed nixon.

Why should NASA need to hire a Bellcomm contractor, an Egyptian national at the time, to describe science in simple terms to Americans in the American press and on American TV? Where was Walter Cronkite? Where was Leni Riefenstahl? Where was Jules Bergman? Where was Walt Disney??

During the Apollo years, Dr. El-Baz joined NASA officials in briefing members of the press on the results of the lunar missions. His appeal resulted from an ability to simplify complex issues in clear, succinct and easily understood words. His remarks on the scientific accomplishments were regularly quoted by the media during the Apollo missions. At that time, he became a naturalized U.S. citizen in April 1970.

choos, Farouk El-Baz and who hired him? Are you prepared to deal with this new reality? El-Baz is a patsy.

hellobruce

SayonaraJupiter
Farouk was nicknamed the "King" by the Apollo spacemen

You really do not know much history, he was nicknamed after
en.wikipedia.org...

You are posting distractions and links to distractions. I'm pretty sure you know why I called Farouk the "King". It's the Al Worden quote on the carefully cultivated wikipedia page.

His outstanding teaching abilities were confirmed by the Apollo astronauts. While orbiting the Moon for the first time during Apollo 15, Command Module Pilot Alfred Worden said, "After the King's [Farouk's nickname] training, I feel like I've been here before." en.wikipedia.org...

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Well if your trying to teach the press about the moon i think a geologist is where you want to start duh. Did Walter Cronkite have a science degree i didnt know about? Why is he going to try to teach people or even worse Walt Disney really?????? So you think it was a good idea for NASA to hire a science advisor who didnt have a degree in science well shouldnt surprise me you also think a communications laser can shoot down space craft.

SayonaraJupiter
I'm pretty sure you know why I called Farouk the "King". It's the Al Worden quote on the carefully cultivated wikipedia page.

And the name comes from King Farouk, from the webpage I posted.... as i said, you do not know much about history!