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Originally posted by NavyDoc
reply to post by Sinfulknowledge
With poor quoting, it is hard to determine where your opinion begins and the opinion of the opinion piece writer ends however, to counter, I don't think anyone says that there were not horrible things done by Christians in the past, however, considering the horrible things done by athiests like Pol Pot and Mao, I don't think it reasonable to condemn athiesm as a whole due to past bad actors.
I find it illogical that you condemn millions of peaceful American Christians based on the actions of a few radicals. Are all athiests terrorists because of the actions of Harris & Kleibold, Ted Kazinski, Baader-Meinhoff Gang, Society of Militant Godlessness
Fanatics on both sides of the isle.edit on 26-11-2012 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Pladuim
In this dimensional world we live in, how can anything exist without something creating it? So what is more probable, that this universe just magically appeared (big bang), or that the universe was created by God (big bang)?
Just a few questions I'd like answers to.
Pladuim
Originally posted by jtap66
Originally posted by Pladuim
In this dimensional world we live in, how can anything exist without something creating it? So what is more probable, that this universe just magically appeared (big bang), or that the universe was created by God (big bang)?
Just a few questions I'd like answers to.
Pladuim
Actually, the big bang is as plausible as God when using basic logic.
If God created the universe - if something can't come from nothing - then where did God come from? If God is eternal and was not created, then something can come from nothing and the big bang is a perfectly acceptable theory.
More likely than not the problem we encounter is that we can't grasp anything beyond the very finite world we exist in. The universe was never "created" because it has always existed. There's no need for a creator to explain away things we don't understand if we had the capability to truly grasp the notion that time is a human construct.
Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by NavyDoc
Ever heard of the Scrolls ? The Torah
Originally posted by Raelsatu
reply to post by chr0naut
You mind responding to my post regarding the destruction of Tyre? Or are you going to ignore it because I found a prophecy that isn't "100 percent correct"?
Originally posted by cantyousee
reply to post by NavyDoc
This is not a direct reply to NavyDoc. I am just jumping in here. I guess this is a reply to all those who dissed God in this thread. You see, I know for a fact that God exists. He has talked to me personally. He has taken me to the valley of vision and he has shown me that we are in the last generation of this present age. I have seen it.
I know for a fact that the Bible is a Holy work. I can tell you things in the future that are certain and undeniably
true. But people are to desposed to listen to themselves. They tend to disregard testimonies of others. I think it is an ego problem. It is beneath them to accept a reality that they themselves did not see. To bad there is not more faith. God loves faith. It pleases him. Even if it is faith in the testimony of one of his servants. He will give you eternal life for faith in his only begotten son. But without faith it is impossible to please him. We all make choices.
edit on 26-11-2012 by cantyousee because: (no reason given)
The tactics varied over the years and became more moderate or more harsh at different times. Among common tactics included confiscating church property, ridiculing religion, harassing believers, and propagating atheism in the schools. Actions toward particular religions, however, were determined by State interests, and most organized religions were never outlawed.
Some actions against Orthodox priests and believers along with execution included torture, being sent to prison camps, labour camps or mental hospitals.[21][22][23][24] Many Orthodox (along with peoples of other faiths) were also subjected to psychological punishment or torture and mind control experimentation in order to force them give up their religious convictions (see Punitive psychiatry in the Soviet Union).[22][23][25] During the first five years of Soviet power, the Bolsheviks executed 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and over 1,200 Russian Orthodox priests. Many others were imprisoned or exiled.[1]
Joseph Stalin revived the Russian Orthodox Church to intensify patriotic support for the war effort and presented Russia as a defender of Christian civilization, because he saw the church had an ability to arouse the people in a way that the party could not and because he wanted western help
A new period of persecution began in the late 1950s under Nikita Khrushchev.[96] The church had advanced its position considerably since 1941, and the government considered it to be necessary to take measures in response.
The two state organizations for overseeing religion in the country (one for the Orthodox, the other for everyone else), changed their functions between 1957 and 1964. Originally Stalin had created them in 1943 as liaison bodies between religious communities and the state, however, in the Khrushchev years their function was re-interpreted as dictatorial supervisors over the religious activities in the country.[97]
New instructions were issued in 1958 attacked the position of monasteries, by placing them under high taxation, cutting their land and working to shut them down in order to weaken the church.
From 1959 to 1964, the persecution operated on several key levels:
1.There was a massive closure of churches[52] (reducing the number from 22,000 to 7,000 by 1965.[98])
2.Closures of monasteries and convents as well reinforcement of the 1929 legislation to ban piligrimages
3.Closure of most of the still existing seminaries and bans on pastoral courses
4.Banning all services outside of church walls and recording the personal identities of all adults requesting church baptisms, weddings or funerals.[99] Non-fulfillment of these regulations by clergy would lead to disallowance of state registration for them (which meant they could no longer do any pastoral work or liturgy at all, without special state permission).
5.The deprivation of parental rights for teaching religion to their children, a ban on the presence of children at church services (beginning in 1961 with the Baptists and then extended to the Orthodox in 1963) and the administration of the Eucharist to children over the age of four.
6.The forced retirement, arrests and prison sentences to clergymen who criticized atheism[100] or the anti-religious campaign, who conducted Christian charity or who in made religion popular by personal example.[100]
7.It also disallowed the ringing of church bells and services in daytime in some rural settings from May to the end of October under the pretext of field work requirements
Even if this↑ were true, it would still prove nothing.
Originally posted by chr0naut
Except for the prophecies that are still to come to pass, EVERY ONE has so far been 100% accurate.
Here ya go....
Originally posted by chr0naut
Please provide at least one prophecy that has not come to pass exactly as said.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by chr0naut
Here ya go. rationalwiki.org...
Originally posted by chr0naut
Originally posted by BrokenCircles
Ok so you're admitting that the Bible is a collection of some truths mixed along with many lies?
Originally posted by maes2
...I do not regard Bible the exactly words of God !! however most of it is more like a history book.
....and was written by the victors?
You are saying that the Israel's were/are historical victors?
Get real.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by BrokenCircles
Reality is nothing more than the here & now. The future has not yet arrived, and it never will. It will always be ahead of us. The bible cannot be pointing at something that cannot be known.
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Reality is not the future. Presence is reality.
Originally posted by celticdog
reply to post by EnochWasRight
People have been crunching those numbers for years and have come up with different things they apply to.From 1975 6000 years man has been on earth.1914 for armegeddon to your 1948 for Israel.So people work these numbers to apply to what they want and hope for.Israel's favour with god ended in 70AD.The bible only applies to people back then.Prophecies were probably fulfilled after the fact.Hey look I did this or this applies to me or just said it applies to them.There are modern examples of this of people doing the same thing and saying they have fulfilled a prophecy.I bet it was more rampant back then.
Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by NavyDoc
Ever heard of the Scrolls ? The Torah