The bible is 2000 year old psychic sandpeople garbage nonsense.

reply to post by boymonkey74

I wish people would stop quoting scripture....

I wish people who didn't want to hear it would stop going into threads where people are likely to quote scripture. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time .

You got no business being in a religion forum if you can't stomach hearing people's beliefs.

reply to post by jazztrance


You're too funny.... I don't see you attacking the Quran/Koran.... Is not the Quran an old book too? It too, was written by a different "psychic sandperson", as you put it. Then why aren't you attacking it as well??? Hypocrite. Either you are a hypocrite... or you're like, 12 yrs old... kinda immature to be posting threads attacking the validity of the Holy Bible.

Well... it's possible that you believe in the Quran... If so, then we know where you are coming from.

We can go on... what about these books? Do you agree with everything that they contain?

• -Hinduism: Shruti (Vedas, including the Rigveda; also Aranyakas, Brahmanas, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, Mahabharata, Ramayana); Panchatantra
  
• -Buddhism: The Tipitaka, the Dhammapada, and other Buddhist texts.
  
• -Ayyavazhi: The Akilattirattu Ammanai and Arul Nool.
  
• -Zoroastrianism: The Zend-Avesta
  
• -Taoism: The Dao de jing, also Chuang Tzu, and The I Ching
  
• -Confucianism: The Analects of Confucius, also The I Ching
  
• -Mandaeanism: The Ginza Rba
  
• -Sikhism: The Guru Granth Sahib and The Dasam Granth Sahib
  
• -Mormonism: The Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and Covenants
  
• -Bahá'í Faith: The Kitab-i-Iqan, plus many other writings including ones from other faiths
  
• -Thelema: The Holy Books of Thelema especially Liber Al vel Legis
  
• -Scientology: Writings of L. Ron Hubbard
  
• -Satanism: The Satanic Bible, by Anton LaVey
  

So.. by your silence, dear OP (maybe you haven't the chance to respond to my post yet... it's possible)... You're condoning all the above books to be gob-smacking OK, including the Quran? And that only the Bible, in your opinion has errors in it? ALL of the above books, other than the Holy Bible, of course , are beyond reproach... totally true...where you can stake your soul and eternal life on them? Where you would die for what they state... should you be pressed into that kind of situation?

This is true, in your opinion? Yes/No?

If there, by any stretch of the imagination... are 'other books' (scary) that I should not believe in... please inform us on ATS and all the world, for that matter... which ones they are???

I really do understand your point on the bad things of extreme religion being wielded by groups with a nefarious agenda as needing to be stopped. I'm just hesitant now to bash the Bible like I used too because I do feel that some people glean certain things from it that they need and that are ultimately good.

reply to post by Miri08


Just want to point out that slavery was once considered ultimately good. Slaves supported whole families and produced much more cheap cotton than any individual family could ever hope to produce without slaves, or without having to pay workers (which would've driven up the price). Slaves helped to clothe the entire world!

But guess what? When mankind figured out that slavery was wrong and abolished it, people found another way. If people glean certain things that are ultimately good from the bible, they would find it somewhere else if the bible were condemned for the atrocities it generates.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

As we reflected in God's promise to restore Israel to the land, we see evidence in our own that cannot be denied. Do the math. This has never happened in History for any other people group.

As soon as I read this, Kuwait popped into my head. Is there a difference?

I don't follow.

Kuwait was taken over by Iraqi, and the U.S. drove Iraq out and gave the country back to the Kuwaitis.

Originally posted by BrokenCircles
reply to post by jazztrance

 

Personally, I don't care whether or not you believe in god, but it would be nice if you believed in the apostrophe and the 'Enter' key.

Bang on!

I can't believe all these threads about "God exists, God is real, God is blah blah blah..."

Enough with these threads already.

If you believe in God, than good for you. We all believe in something, but no need to oppress your beliefs onto others. Geeeeez Luieeeeeez!

Freedom is one choice away when we all seek God.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


LOL It's not freedom if we are forced to choose one regime over another. Even more-so, it's not freedom when we are forced to choose such a totalitarian dictator. Follow my rules or be forever cast into eternal damnation. For I am watching each and every one of you every second of every day. I see what you do and I know what you think.

Why doesn't this prospect frighten the hell out of you???

And I guess your alternative is evolution beginning with a big bang of nothing , from nothing into something that didn't exist beforehand giving us all we see now?

And you have the gall to call Christians nuts?

Ha! Your even nutter !

Originally posted by pacifier2012
And I guess your alternative is evolution beginning with a big bang of nothing , from nothing into something that didn't exist beforehand giving us all we see now?

And you have the gall to call Christians nuts?

Ha! Your even nutter !

It takes a lot more faith to believe in Evolution, or Darwinism, then it is to believe that all living things were created at the same time after their own kind as the Bible states by what I will just call a supernatural force. We can see this through the scientific method of observation, what I call real science, that all things do indeed exist as is after their own kind, not "evolved", which cannot be observed, so the creationist view is the most plausible, and you don't actually have to believe in a creator to see this obvious fact.

reply to post by jazztrance


Sorry guy but there's a little problem that needs addressing. The problem is this. According to the book of Hosea the Israelites and Jews were to be cut off from their God for a long period of time. According to verse 6-2 they were supposed to face a 2000 year curse. And it hasn't run out yet. Essentially your're around 20 to 50 years too early to make your claim.

Hosea 6
1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

2nd Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

AAnd if you look at the history of the Jews for the last 2000 years they appear to be serving their punishment.

Originally posted by BlackManINC

Originally posted by pacifier2012
And I guess your alternative is evolution beginning with a big bang of nothing , from nothing into something that didn't exist beforehand giving us all we see now?

And you have the gall to call Christians nuts?

Ha! Your even nutter !

It takes a lot more faith to believe in Evolution, or Darwinism, then it is to believe that all living things were created at the same time after their own kind by what I will just call a supernatural force. We can see this through the scientific method of observation, what I call real science, that all things do indeed exist as is after their own kind, not "evolved", which cannot be observed, so the creationist view is the most plausible, and you don't actually have to believe in a creator to see this obvious fact.

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then how do you explain atavism? and how is it that i can grow yeast in specific conditions and in several months have a significantly different type of yeast more suited to that environment

you see theres this thing called genetics and it provides huge amounts of evidence that animals do branch out into different groups and over extremely long periods of time essentially become different animals

a trick of the devil perhaps?

the ignorance displayed in this thread is astounding

reply to post by jiggerj

Follow my rules or be forever cast into eternal damnation. For I am watching each and every one of you every second of every day. I see what you do and I know what you think.

Why doesn't this prospect frighten the hell out of you???

Because it was written by men.

Originally posted by sirhumperdink

Originally posted by BlackManINC

Originally posted by pacifier2012
And I guess your alternative is evolution beginning with a big bang of nothing , from nothing into something that didn't exist beforehand giving us all we see now?

And you have the gall to call Christians nuts?

Ha! Your even nutter !

It takes a lot more faith to believe in Evolution, or Darwinism, then it is to believe that all living things were created at the same time after their own kind by what I will just call a supernatural force. We can see this through the scientific method of observation, what I call real science, that all things do indeed exist as is after their own kind, not "evolved", which cannot be observed, so the creationist view is the most plausible, and you don't actually have to believe in a creator to see this obvious fact.

edit on 25-11-2012 by BlackManINC because: (no reason given)

then how do you explain atavism? and how is it that i can grow yeast in specific conditions and in several months have a significantly different type of yeast more suited to that environment

you see theres this thing called genetics and it provides huge amounts of evidence that animals do branch out into different groups and over extremely long periods of time essentially become different animals

a trick of the devil perhaps?

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I'm not here to turn this thread into another debate about your belief in Darwinism, but nothing you said here validates your belief in any way. This is why many people, religious or not, have a hard time taking the theory of evolution seriously, as you can see on this thread alone. A yeast may have different traits depending on the environment its grown in, but as you say, its still a yeast regardless, so you haven't proven anything but the inconsistency of this belief that a frog can magically transform into a prince if it waits long enough. It would be like me pointing out the many different breeds of horses as evidence for Darwinism without realizing they are still horses.

Originally posted by BlackManINC

Originally posted by sirhumperdink

Originally posted by BlackManINC

Originally posted by pacifier2012
And I guess your alternative is evolution beginning with a big bang of nothing , from nothing into something that didn't exist beforehand giving us all we see now?

And you have the gall to call Christians nuts?

Ha! Your even nutter !

It takes a lot more faith to believe in Evolution, or Darwinism, then it is to believe that all living things were created at the same time after their own kind by what I will just call a supernatural force. We can see this through the scientific method of observation, what I call real science, that all things do indeed exist as is after their own kind, not "evolved", which cannot be observed, so the creationist view is the most plausible, and you don't actually have to believe in a creator to see this obvious fact.

edit on 25-11-2012 by BlackManINC because: (no reason given)

then how do you explain atavism? and how is it that i can grow yeast in specific conditions and in several months have a significantly different type of yeast more suited to that environment

you see theres this thing called genetics and it provides huge amounts of evidence that animals do branch out into different groups and over extremely long periods of time essentially become different animals

a trick of the devil perhaps?

edit on 25-11-2012 by sirhumperdink because: (no reason given)

I'm not here to turn this thread into another debate about your belief in Darwinism, but nothing you said here validates your belief in any way. This is why many people, religious or not, have a hard time taking the theory of evolution seriously, as you can see on this thread alone. A yeast may have different traits depending on the environment its grown in, but as you say, its still a yeast regardless, so you haven't proven anything but the inconsistency of this belief that a frog can magically transform into a prince if it waits long enough. It would be like me pointing out the many different breeds of horses as evidence for Darwinism without realizing they are still horses.

edit on 25-11-2012 by BlackManINC because: (no reason given)

edit on 25-11-2012 by BlackManINC because: (no reason given)

edit on 25-11-2012 by BlackManINC because: (no reason given)

right because you cant observe it over millions of years
which is what fossil evidence is for and fossil evidence also backs up the theory of evolution (showing the gradual adaptation of one species into another or several others)

and please adress the issue of genetics and atavism

you concede that a species can adapt into various subspecies but somehow think its not possible that given enough time these changes will build up and the animal will have to be classified as something new

reply to post by jazztrance


WOW.....Had to get that off of your chest did you?

How can someone be so ignorant and spout such crap as you just did????
You had a revelation(really no pun intended) and the bible is garbage???

I guess it takes all kinds. Just wanted to get a rise out of someone? Been drinking and you are not in a bar so you can't irritate some patron there, and just wanted to come to the ATS community to find it?
I know you'll have several people at you level agreeing....What a way to end a laid back Sunday...

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

As we reflected in God's promise to restore Israel to the land, we see evidence in our own that cannot be denied. Do the math. This has never happened in History for any other people group.

As soon as I read this, Kuwait popped into my head. Is there a difference?

I don't follow.

Kuwait was taken over by Iraqi, and the U.S. drove Iraq out and gave the country back to the Kuwaitis.

I have that part. What does this have to do with the OP?

reply to post by jazztrance


I read an interesting thread here on ATS a few days ago. It's called All Roads Lead To Rome. It basically tries to explain how the Roman Empire created Jesus, but it touches many subjects.

Even though the thread has long since been closed, and the author long since banned, I still found it to be an incredible read. Those who haven't read it should really take the time to do so.

reply to post by dakota1s2


I know this may be shocking to you, but there are people out there that don't just believe anything that is told to them... that includes a 2000 year old story.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

As we reflected in God's promise to restore Israel to the land, we see evidence in our own that cannot be denied. Do the math. This has never happened in History for any other people group.

As soon as I read this, Kuwait popped into my head. Is there a difference?

I don't follow.

Kuwait was taken over by Iraqi, and the U.S. drove Iraq out and gave the country back to the Kuwaitis.

I have that part. What does this have to do with the OP?

I give up. lol

Originally posted by shelookslikeone
reply to post by dakota1s2

 

I know this may be shocking to you, but there are people out there that don't just believe anything that is told to them... that includes a 2000 year old story.

You have to get the data from somewhere. otherwise you'd have to make everything up yourself.

reply to post by jazztrance


So if your the smart one and everyone else is dumb, whats the reason your here? Or the reason everyone else is here?

And if its soooo stupid, why you all upset and mad about it? Why do you care?

And also, who said we have to believe you? Wheres your proof?


Go rage somewhere else, cause you will die someday like everyone else and you will find out the hard way.