Revealed: Military emails show that NO U.S. sailors witnessed Bin Laden's secret burial at sea

Originally posted by Meldionne1
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I'll tell my husband that theory, but I assure you he will laugh at that,as he chased bin laden for a long time and when they finally got him, it was definitely him...but like I said, if you make it this way, look me up and we can debate over a beer or coffee depending of your poison!

You don't think it's even remotely possible they bagged the wrong guy? Or a look alike?

There is so much to this story that makes it seem like a cover up. For instance -

Did you know that Benazir Bhutto was in the same hospital and near OBL when he was in the American hospital (in Dubai if memory serves) undergoing kidney treatment? In an interview with the BBC a short time later, she admitted this and said he was probably already dead because his kidneys were in such bad shape. After that interview, the BBC pulled it because of her statement. After taking tons of heat over the issue, the BBC re-published the original interview. It's also been widely speculated that she later recanted her statement in an interview with some reporter at CNN (Amanpour if memory serves) - interestingly this was a "phone" interview with only a transcript and it was happening while her envoy in Pakistan was under attack. Later, she's assassinated. Convenient?

Further, OBL never actually admitted to 9/11. In fact, you can clearly see that the man the CIA claims to be OBL in their own "released" footage (the same footage that he apparently claims responsibility for 9/11 in) is clearly not what OBL looks like in any of the self or Al-Jazeera released videos. It just so happens that the video the CIA claims they "found" was released after OBL was actually having kidney issues in the hospital. Convenient?

It's also been widely published that the search for OBL had gone cold for years after he allegedly escaped the mountains in Afghanistan. Then, after some random intelligence comes through it turns out he had a huge compound in Pakistan near the border and have been living there quite some time? Really? Convenient?

Adding to that - put yourself into Barack Obama's shoes. How do you end a war (that you promised to the American people) that was started to catch one man that intelligence agencies have said for years is most likely already dead? Do you really think the American people would have accepted the excuse that "we can't find him, and our intelligence suggests he died in 2003 or 2004 during bombing raids in Afghanistan, or that he died during kidney dialysis at the American hospital in Dubai"? Hell no the American people would not have tolerated that.

So what is a man to do? Maybe kill a CIA plant or look-a-like, wrap his body up, whisk him off to a ship, dump him in the sea with no secondary witnesses and then wrap up lose ends (seal team six).

I'm sorry but until I see HARD EVIDENCE (like DNA) I refuse to believe Obama caught and killed Osama bin laden.

Originally posted by Meldionne1
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That's not the point... The pictures are for proof for the public ...I am not in that circle. I'm trying to tell you that bin laden was actually buried at sea. And there was a small group to witness it. ..and your conspiracy theory is wrong....he didn't die years ago, he wasnt on a dialysis machine, and the CIA was not baited as you claim. ...They were walking around and saw cases of coca cola being offloaded in front of a restaurant there...they saw another van come and pick up the coca cola..they followed the van to the compound. Bin laden was addicted to coca cola., and they knew it.The many cases of coca cola was odd and that's how he was found....(.gives a whole new meaning to " have a coke and a smile" .)....Im sorry but you are not correct on this.

This is hands down the most retarded theory.

The man was off the grid Jason Borne style and you think his addiction to "Coca-Cola" is what got him caught?

Damn I bet when his door got kicked down, he was like FML I SHOULDA DRANK PEPSI INSTEAD.

The real answer is it never happened. If anybody knows anybody who supposedly "chased" him -- it's easy to chase something that doesn't exist. Cryptozoologists do it everyday.

reply to post by Zcustosmorum


That was one of the many things that have made me question his existence.
I mean his caves were a crock.
They were nothing more than age old "passes" through the mountains.

The CIA were the ones who told us they visited him in the hospital.
Well, since when does the CIA do that? They do it if they are trying to
create a legend. I think the idea their construct was supposedly ill was
because they didn't want him to seem invincible and someone who could
be written out of the script more easily. But, as long as they were creating
him they make a nice glossy video of nearly 7 foot tall "bin Laden" on a black
horse. Bin Laden walking in the mountains with Zawahiri, a person of equal
dubiousness.
Bin Laden with an AK47 or whatever doing target practice. I mean such a ridiculous
effort that could have been done by any ad company trying to sell you a product.

Then after that video...you get "fat" bin Laden. And two different versions of TV remote
Bin Laden. So is it really any surprise that they didn't have any BODY to show for it
at the end of the story>

In my opinion, The entire orchestrated fake fairy tale of Bin Laden, his death and his burial at sea is nothing short of laughable. Only a weak minded, brainwashed, easily misled sheoplized moron could swallow such bs. The whole scam just proves how arrogant and bold these liars have become. It's mind boggling how anyone in their right mind could believe such fabricated drivel.

Lies, Lies and more Lies. Hey, Kind of like that old school G'N'R Album! Only, Obama is Bob Guccione Jr. and Osama is Axl Rose singing "get in the Mosque".

I don't blame the U.S Military, I blame the liars who give them their orders. I don't know anything for certain about all this, but something without a doubt stinks about the entire story. ~$heopleNation

The article contradicts itself.

Revealed: Military emails show that NO U.S. sailors witnessed Osama bin Laden's secret burial at sea

‘A military officer read prepared religious remarks, which were translated into Arabic by a native speaker. After the words were complete, the body was placed on a prepared flat board, tipped up, whereupon the deceased's body slid into the sea.’

So at least one US sailor did witness the burial at sea. The military officer who read the religious remarks.

reply to post by curme



"The Military officer"? Wow, I am 100% sold on it all now. In fact, Case closed bro. LMAO! ~$heopleNation

He was likely put through a meat grinder and fed to the sharks. Seems a deservëd valediction to me...

Halal!

Originally posted by SheopleNation
reply to post by curme

 

"The Military officer"? Wow, I am 100% sold on it all now. In fact, Case closed bro. LMAO!

~$heopleNation

Good one!

Yeah, they gave conflicting stories so there was always the chance in some people's eyes that one of them was true-ue-ue.

Except of course, in real life their are always people standing watch 24/7 to port and starboard.
And there is the small matter of the brass on board and people on the bridge of this ship.
If there was a body dumped overboard, po-lenty of people would have known it.
But, there wasn't, so moot point.

"A cage went in search of a bird

- Franz Kafka"

They name Bin Laden first the most sought after person on Earth, spent between 2001-2009 $850 billions on the War on Terror - and that is without including the DoD base budget. All this just to fail to find a man on a donkey in a cave for over 10 years?

When finally this most dangerous man on Earth is found, is he brought to court for trial and sentenced? Is being interrogated or held in captivity to obtain more information about the group he ran?

No, instead we are told he is shot and then thrown into the sea. The only thing to show is a blurry tape of one of the troops running in a bunker, followed by a sound of gunshot.

It was a display of true meaning of Kafkaesque when there were people gathered on Ground Zero to chant "USA, USA!" after this absurd story was ran.

When witnessing this public mockery of human intelligence I recalled the famous words of Bill Hicks: "Go back to bed America - your government has figured it all out..."

I feel a rant coming on, it’s been a while anyway, so I think this one is overdue.

I have been reading over the last 3 pages of this thread, guess what none of you, not a single one of you actually knows what the hell your’re talking about. I have posted a number of posts early on that dismissed many of the claims that you supposedly intelligence people are still spouting like they are hard facts. I find it very difficult to find any of you who knows what he’s talking about, all you guys are doing is regurgitating the verbal diarrhoea of revisionist history without any consideration for the facts or even an attempt at critical thinking.

Take one member for example who said he had been telling people for “YEARS” that Obama never killed Osama, how is that even possible if he’s only been dead for 18months. Then these claims about the helicopter crash, people claiming all the Seals where killed on a helicopter crash a few weeks after the raid, again utter crap. Same goes for all these claims about dialysis and kidney disease, Bin Laden had nothing wrong with his kidneys and as such for your information never met a bunch of CIA dudes at a hospital in Dubai shortly before 9/11.

You all need to go and educate yourself and stay away from the internet and the conspiracy shelf at the book store.

I am disgusted by your ignorance.

End rant.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


Source?

reply to post by Zcustosmorum


It’s not really about sources for me at this stage, it’s just about how ignorant you people are. Just read back through this very thread and take the example of the Helicopter crash, despite solid evidence there are members who still believe that every member of Seal Team Six involved in the bin laden raid died that day.

A lot of you like to think you know what you’re talking about, speak as if you are some authority on the matter yet can’t seem to write a single sentence about terrorism without falling fowl of some basic error.

It’s about a chronic lack of critical thinking and logic something that seems to have left ATS members long ago.

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Can I just ask, what makes you the resident expert on this subject?

reply to post by Zcustosmorum


It’s not about being the “expert” it’s about sticking with facts, being logical, being balanced and thinking critically. There are members to take another example other than the helicopter who will claim that Bhutto told us all about Bin Laden being murdered during a David Frost interview, they ignore the fact that the man she claims murdered him was in prison and that she misspoke. This frustrates me, it annoys me when a member reads on some website about “Al-CIAdu” and automatically assumes to know what they are talking about.

I am very well read on matters of terrorism, I can spot the errors that you guys are making very easily. If you ask me about a particular conspiracy claim, let’s stick with what Bhutto had to say I can tell you that it’s wrong and why it’s wrong then point out some sources that will confirm this for you. It’s not about me being an “expert”, to be an “expert” takes a life time rather it is simply about me knowing more about this stuff that you do. You might say to me “how can you say that, you don’t know me”, well I can say that because your posts don’t read like someone who knows what they are talking about when it comes to matters of terrorism, it’s not just you, there are many more like you.

ATS covers a huge range of topics and there are some topics that some are stronger on that others, I am strong on the topic of terrorism but I know bugger all about 2012 theories or UFO’s, so in a debate about those topics I will quite happily concede points to those who clearly know more than I do, who have read every book there is on UFO’s or 2012 and I will try to learn from them. Now I might know nothing about UFO’s and 2012 but I know a lot about terrorism and can talk about it all you want, I would never claim to know everything however and I enjoy learning new things from others.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


The showiest "true black op" ever.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

Now I might know nothing about UFO’s and 2012 but I know a lot about terrorism and can talk about it all you want, I would never claim to know everything however and I enjoy learning new things from others.

S for that, I agree! However maybe I should've worded my first question better, why are the "facts" that you believe in, more valid than what others have said? Are your sources better than other peoples?

It’s not about me being an “expert”, to be an “expert” takes a life time rather it is simply about me knowing more about this stuff that you do. You might say to me “how can you say that, you don’t know me”, well I can say that because your posts don’t read like someone who knows what they are talking about when it comes to matters of terrorism, it’s not just you, there are many more like you.

And, I really hope you weren't assuming on my credentials on this subject. Perhaps I feel like you don't know what you're talking about and the sources of your info are whack.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

 

The showiest "true black op" ever.

You could be onto something here.

reply to post by Zcustosmorum


Ok sorry I know we are now way of topic but I do feel you are raising an important point.

You asked about how my facts and my sources are more reliable than yours. My sources come from people who are experts, people who have spent their entire adult life’s working in or studding terrorism. These are people who have for example actually met Bin Laden and have had access to all the other big players in terrorism and counter terrorism. Off all of these expert’s who’s books and articles I have read they all broadly agree on a similar history of Al-Qa’ida there are some noticeable differences many of these experts focus more on different stages of Al-Qa’ida’s history and that leads to some historical variation but none of them have ever said Bin Laden was CIA agent and 9/11 was a CIA op and Bin Laden what their guy or their fall guy

Then there is also the issue of critical thinking and bias, the biggest problem on ATS. Your sources all come from alternative media and revisionist history which all have a bias agenda and lack critical thinking. The claims that Bin Laden was on dialysis are a perfect example of this, he was never on dialysis.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

The showiest "true black op" ever.

I dont think i qutie get that one

There was more outrage in the Muslim world over a youtube video than there was for the news of Bin Laden's killing and burial at sea by the USA.

Mainly because most of the groups, and affiliates all knew the truth, the only truth that mattered to them.

In the end, the USA was chasing ghosts in Afghanistan, while the true masterminds and culprits remained elusive and untouched, and have been carrying on with their objectives since then.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin

Then there is also the issue of critical thinking and bias, the biggest problem on ATS. Your sources all come from alternative media and revisionist history which all have a bias agenda and lack critical thinking.

Major case of the Pot calling the Kettle here. You really need to go back and look at your posts, in this thread and others, before you go labeling people as bias and lacking critical thinking.

Hang your head in shame.