Revealed: Military emails show that NO U.S. sailors witnessed Bin Laden's secret burial at sea

reply to post by Battleline


In accordance with Bin Laden’s Wahhabi believes he must be buried within 24 hours of death, facing the Qibla wrapped in a white cloth with his body washed by a Muslim and a wait tied to him, there should be no grave marking and an announcement of his death should be made.

Clerics are split in regard to whether or not the sea burial of Bin Laden was in keeping with Islamic law. Some have pointed to one section of Islamic dogma that states a burial at sea is permissible if it is expected that the body may be exhumed which in Bin Laden’s case is very likely, Muslims have been buried at sea before. However usually according to Islamic dogma “man should return to the earth” to do so America would have had to returned his body to someone and this was difficult.

As such Americans have said that they tried to repatriate his body however nobody was willing to accept the body, the Saudi’s had long since banished him and his family could obviously not be contacted. The body was taken into American custody they had planned for a burial at sea once they could confirm the identity of the body but they have claimed that they offered to have his body returned to a number of interested parties

People will always be split on whether or not Bin Laden was buried in accordance with Islamic law as it is a matter of theological interpretation complicated with the status of the decided. In reality his body was not treated with respect, according to the book “no easy day” one of the Seals sat on his corps for instance. Also a burial at sea is very advantageous to America as where Bin Laden to be buried on land it is highly likely his grave would have become a symbol even without the grave stone. This way he is gone and he’s not coming back, alive or dead.

So the gov's explanation falls apart. Good. Truth prevails. How could the "burial" have happened WITHOUT U.S. servicemen moving and then dumping it over the side? If we are to believe our government...

So who supposedly carried it or put it in a chute or kicked it over...I mean? There would have had to have been some kind of Americans on board doing the flipping over the side, right?

We dont know where the bastard is...but we know where he ISNT!!

reply to post by mysterioustranger


Please read the article, members of the US Navy where present during the burial the OP is highly misleading.

The Pentagon also said it could not find any death certificate, autopsy report or results of DNA identification tests for bin Laden, or any pre-raid materials discussing how the government planned to dispose of bin Laden's body if he were killed.

To think, they built a mock up of the compound for training purposes, they planned and trained for months, yet we are led to believe they didn't make any plans for a dead body. "Oh don't worry, 10 years in hiding, the most wanted man on the planet, he will come quietly, don't worry!"

You only need look at the name of the mission 'Operation Neptune Spear' to know that they planned on a sea dump as part of the official story. They should have used Neptune's Greek name, Poseidon - the King of Atlantis, then they could have dumped his body in the Atlantic.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


Oh, well they say so, I guess it MUST be true then! I mean, they wouldn't lie, would they? And yes, everyone participating in the raid is now dead. A couple dozen more were killed in another helicopter "crash" shortly after. Dead men tell no tales. I will also be taking bids on my Moon bridge that I just put up for sale.

Originally posted by neo96
Islamic procedures!

That is rich considering we have all seen what happens to others their bodies strung up,burned, and dragged through their streets.

I am not buying the death/burial story at all, but, really?
Maybe I am taking this the wrong way, but, why shouldnt we show respect? Or are we no different? Some may say better, civilized, whatever you want to call it, that is why we allegedly observed proper procedure.
Then you got Marines and other servicemembers pissing on corpses, etc..shameful. When some idiot burns a book or flag and puts in on youtube, that is him, he doesnt represent his nation. But a person in uniform? No matter what they might think, they do.

reply to post by Merlin Lawndart


Gota love the way you discount what I had to say.

If you are not interested in the truth then that is fine, my information comes from reliable sources that were there or have had access to those who were there. If you read those three books the authors are all highly critical of the initial military response to 9/11, there accounts are much more interesting thank conspiracy revisionist history, they are also true.

On the issue of the helicopter, sorry you are factually incorrect quite simply. If you wish to embrace this ignorance and continue to believe that all members of Seal Team Six who were on the raid were also killed on that helicopter then go for it. Just know that you are wrong the guys on the helicopter came from a totally different.

I can only inform and educate you about Operation Neptune Spear, if you chose to ignore me and dismiss the knowledge that I am trying to impart then go for it. I don’t need you to “believe me” if you chose to bath in ignorance it’s no skin of my back.

Everybody reading this thread needs to understand that the circumstances surrounding Osama's official death directly parallel the circumstances regarding the official story of what happened at the pentagon on 9/11. Allow me to tell you why.

After the incident at the pentagon on 9/11 the CIA confiscated all surrounding surveillance cameras. The only video released to the public was a five frame long slideshow basically, which did not show at all what hit the pentagon. If the CIA wanted to end all pentagon conspiracy theories, and the dozens of cameras they have DO indeed show a boeing jet liner hitting the pentagon, then why not release a SINGLE video showing that? Their reason for with-holding undeniable evidence from the public was that we wouldn't be able to emotionally handle it. To me it sounds like they don't actually have footage of a boeing jet liner hitting the pentagon and the government is full of s**t.

If the events that supposedly took place at Osama's compound were indeed factual, and they were indeed in possession of his corpse then why could they not create some form of undeniable evidence to prove this? No video footage, no pictures, no dna test. They had the mans corpse for firetrucks sake, they knew a percentage of people would believe it was a conspiracy from the government, and yet they still dumped his supposed body in the ocean. I just don't see why they would do that. Why would they get rid of their undeniable source of evidence like that?

The US government is a military industrial comple. They support war and destabilization of other nations at their whim. The US government is literally by definition a terrorist organization and the fact that anybody supports them BLOWS MY MIND. I very much dislike my government, regardless of "how good I have it." I've heard from foreigners visiting that people in the US are so unbelievably distant and cold. We've become this way because of rampant media, consumerism and government propaganda.

Originally posted by Sek82
Whatever really happened to bin Laden, I never believed that it happened as the way it was told.
I certainly haven't seen a single iota of evidence that supported the story.

At least when Bush captured and killed our 'enemies' in Iraq, we were presented proof of it happening.
No one questioned whether or not we actually captured Saddam, right?

After a decade of so much sacrifice in searching for Osama, all we got was hearsay.

yup, can't trust all of those sp.ops.guys that were there that night to tell the truth....

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


When George W. Bush started his 1st oil company, who helped fund it? Bin Laden's brother and brother in-law.

After a terrorist bomb at a barracks in Saudi Arabia that killed 19 Americans, who got the multi-million dollar contract to rebuild? The Bin Laden's.

On the morning of September 11th, 2001, who was at a meeting at the Ritz Carlton in Washington? George Bush Sr. and Bin Laden's brother.

What family was allowed to fly to safety on 9/11? The Bin Laden's.

Sorry, you can believe in your government's fairy tales all you want, I will believe the villagers and farmers and other's who have proved their lies, over and over and over again.

reply to post by Merlin Lawndart


That stuff is all really nice

But

Can you please who me how it shows operation Neptune spear never happened.

Originally posted by minkmouse
Maybe the guy never really existed, maybe he was all media creation, some actor from the ME....An idea buried at sea ?

The goal of the banks and military industrial complex is to enter an unwinnable war that never ends. The war on terror, anyone? Sounds like the war on drugs to me, we only been fighting that one since the 60's.

Other weird things occured shortly after the death and burial.

-www.foxnews.com...

Just so happens we put a lot of those seals involved in OBM capture (death) on a helo that just so happened to be shot down. Where was the support? Why was there not satellite, Jet or attack helo passes before they entered the "corridor".

- www.seaservices.com...
www.foxnews.com...

It is NOT normal muslim custom for burial at sea, def not within 24 hours. You can read this on many Muslim web sites and US news sources.

My humble opinion, OBM was dead long before this raid. They needed a "boogeyman" to keep this war going. The fleecing of America once again. Notice almost nothing has changed on strategy or money going into this "war".

Further reading, check out the increase of herion in the US after we liberated Afghanistan. Who has access to those poppy fields in Afghanistan. One fake war feeds another fake war.

Go back to sleep before you get a visist.

See post below, don't know what happened to this one

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by Merlin Lawndart

 

That stuff is all really nice

But

Can you please who me how it shows operation Neptune spear never happened.

I never said the operation didn't happen, it just wasn't Bin Laden who they killed. Not only that, it was an operation led by the CIA, which is a guarantee the story being told to the public is a lie.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Wonderer2012
Oh and Slayer, did Gaddafi die from lead poisoning too, because they did an autopsy on him-

He was very publicly killed by Libyans. Just like Saddam, He was very publicly killed by Iraqis. They were both leaders of their countries. But neither of those two men nor their ultimate fates are on topic





























Regarding OBL, You seem a bit annoyed that I've asked some questions and presented some alternative scenarios and points of view for discussion. Isn't this what this site is exactly about? The discussion or debate of alternative views and topics? I think I've read that someplace once....

[url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/join.php]----> Linky here

reply to post by Wonderer2012



I think the point that Slayer is making is that you are guilty of doing what many members on ATS do, taking to unrelated yet similar situations and comparing them to show some kind of “proof”. There is a huge difference in the deaths of Gaddafi, Saddam and Bin Laden that means that the information publicly available is going to be different comparing them is unfair.

reply to post by Merlin Lawndart


You have not actually done anything to disprove what I have said, nothing.

A pervious member admirably conceded that he was misinformed after reading one of my replies, that earns respect.

When I showed you that you were wrong in regards to the timing of his death and in particular the issue of the helicopter you have basically chose not to embrace the truth but rather ignorance.

reply to post by Wonderer2012


I served on the Vinson, and although I was discharged shortly before this occurred, my buddies who remained told me that the whole thing was done in secrecy.. which makes sense because anyone who's served in the military knows how fast and far word spreads. Who's to say what really transpired? We'll likely never really know.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
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If you are not interested in the truth then that is fine, my information comes from reliable sources that were there or have had access to those who were there.

Your arguments are absolutely adorable... I love the way that when someone cites their "reliable sources" you do everything to discredit them however when you state "If you are not interested in the truth then that is fine, my information comes from reliable sources" you feel everyone should just end the discussion their because some fella with an awful avatar said his sources are reliable so end of discussion.... Goodness.