JFK's killer REVEALED on Coast to Coast this morning.....

reply to post by GoodOlDave


Well Lee was a marksman grade shooter which means he was about as good as your average marksman in any army anywere. Plus the marines teach you to shoot with open sights in there not with scopes. And certainly not at moving targets. His choice of a bolt action weapon dosent fit into his training with a rife. He was trained with a auto loading weapon which has diffrent sight alignment issues than a bolt action not to mention the scopes effect on same.

I'll have to find it - as I cannot recall where I watched it ( Possibly Hulu and I think RisingAgainst can probably cite it by name ) but there is a fairly compelling documentary that suggests Oswald was recruited by the FBI - though already in the CIA - specifically to infiltrate the Zapata group - and this is why and how he ended up a Patsy.

~Heff

reply to post by r2d246


I can't keep up with all the theories of who killed JFK. What I do know is that it was clearly an inside job from and by the elite who rule the government/military/economy etc. They did not want him to reveal the truth about 'who they are' and their true agenda. 'Who' actually killed him doesn't really matter because they were just hired guns. I'm sure there were countless patsy's to choose from.

The 'who' is and always has been from the inside to silence him and replace him with a puppet that they could control. Every president ever since has been just that 'their puppet' and their agenda has gone precisely to plan as a result.

Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

Well Lee was a marksman grade shooter which means he was about as good as your average marksman in any army anywere. Plus the marines teach you to shoot with open sights in there not with scopes. And certainly not at moving targets. His choice of a bolt action weapon dosent fit into his training with a rife. He was trained with a auto loading weapon which has diffrent sight alignment issues than a bolt action not to mention the scopes effect on same.

Not only, but I have never seen any investigation into where Oswald may have practiced with his rifle. Was there a range near his town? Was he ever seen there? With that rifle? Shooters know their ranges and who goes there. If you are gong to hit a moving target at 80 yards, you need to be practiced at that. You just don't buy the rifle and wait for an opportunity to use it. One needs to practice. He hit two of three rapid fire on a moving target.

I can accept that, just know how difficult that would be day to day.

reply to post by Logarock

Bay of Heros and Diem killings were damage inflicted on american cloth....just a bit more than some could stand.

American CIA killed Diem (or had him killed).

JFK said he didnt send help to fighters in cuba because the landed with out his say so and then tried to force his hand by so doing. Sound like anything you have heard of lately?

You want to come out with it? I am a little slow.

But then they get to the Nam and find out its no wounder the commies want to over throw the south with jackasses like the Diem's running the place. Then you look at the Russians wanting to turn Cuba into a launch pad.....and JFK wants to play boy scout....rather have missles than gambling casinos over some sort of moral conundrum.

Both Diem and JFK were against a wider conflict in VietNam. Kennedy was stalling there, wanted to back out. Johnson met with Pentagon officials the same night he returned from Dallas with Kennedy's corpse.

In Bay of Pigs, Kennedy prevented the American airstrikes in the desperate hour that would have supported the rebels and that is what ended that. Thats where he produced two more enemies to add to the growing list, the CIA and the Cuban ex-patriot league.

I am the person who appeared on the show and I would like everybody interested to listen to the entire show on [SNIP].
I have been studying Madame Nhu case for decades and I believe it is the best answer to the puzzle on how and why JFK was killed. All my documentation comes from the Nov. 1963 NY Times microfilm in the public library. You will not find these articles on line, but I will give you the dates of the most important ones:
Nov. 3: Her statement on live TV that she will threatens Kennedy's life. Here is the first sentence of her news conference: WHATEVER IS DONE AGAINST VIETNAM WILL BE FELT IN AMERICA, TOO. The day before she learned that President Diem and his brother were shot in the back of their heads with their hands behind there backs. Guess who have the honor of being felt in America, too and get a bullet in his head? The Warren Commission declared her a suspect because of this news conference, but that was kept secret for 30 years.

Nov 7th edition: "Mrs. Nhu and Nixon Discuss Action of US on Ngo Dinh Can." Here is the evidence that all the assassination books ignore that she and Nixon are in an alliance. She had the big bucks and Nixon knew everybody in Washington since his days as VP under Ike. He made the arrangements for the assassination and knew who could trust such as FBI Hoover and Allen Dulles Mr. CIA, both of whom hated Kennedy. The three of them could have set up the largest conspiracy in US history in 20 days, but Madame Nhu was the mastermind and boss and money bags. E.Howard Hunt worked for Nixon. He was a professional CIA killer. He was a 'plumber" arrested at the Watergate Hotel. All the other men were CIA killers. All Nixon had to do was to make one phone call he could assemble his three assassination team in hours.

Nov. 25: : "Mrs. Nhu Recalls Saigon Coup in a message to Mrs. Kennedy" In this short article, she admits her role in the assassination: "Indeed, such a murder where even the wounds inflicted on President Kennedy WERE IDENTICAL TO THOSE OF PRESIDENT NGO DINH DIEM AND OF MY HUSBAND AND COMING ONLY 20 DAYS AFTER THE VIETNAMESE TRAGEDY..."
This message was sent on the 24th or only two days after Kennedy was killed. How did she know that Kennedy was shot in the head? Only if she ordered the assassins to shot him in the head and she was told afterwards it was mission accomplished.

Anyway listen to my program and list any questions you might have. Notice how I prove Oswald was an FBI agent.

reply to post by Hefficide




I listened to the show. I cant buy the argument of an "outside" Billionaire doing it.



George de Mohrenschildt.....................

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by r2d246

 

so...........WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON IT???

My take on it is that Lee Harvey Oswald was such an irate Communist nut that he emigrated to the Soviet Union and even the Soviet Union was glad to let him emigrate back. We know he was a crack shot becuase he was in the Marines, and let's face it, the Marines know how to teach people to shoot. We know he owned the same kind of rifle they found in the book depository because his own wife took a picture of him holding one. Plus it's a documented fact that he was an employee at the book depository overlooking JFK's travel route, and had access to the room where the rifle was found.

Thus, my take on it is that it's unnecessarily convoluted to the point of being absurd for any conspirators to line up someone so uniquely trained, uniquely politically motivated, and be placed in such a unique position to assassinate JFK, only to turn around and have someone else do it. If people want to believe there were additional conspirators, fine, but Lee Harvey Oswald was nonetheless still up to his eyeballs in the conspiracy.

Well you need to do some real research because Lee Harvey Oswald was no crackshot, he got low test scores and then there is no way he could have got off 3 shots in six seconds with that bolt action Mechano rifle. Let alone produce a magic bullet that could change direction 3 times and even do a u turn in mid flight! Jim Marrs and Jesse Ventura (a real marksman) have put that theory to bed. Finally the shot that killed Kennedy could not have come from behind (where the book depository was located) as Kennedys head would have moved in a different direction when shot from behind! the shots came from two locations, underneath the underpass and the famed grassy knoll. It's all misdirection and people like you buy into the government crap and lies! I bet you believe the Vietnames attacked at the Gulf of Tonkin incident too?

Originally posted by Hefficide

E Howard Hunt pulled the trigger and the reasons for it were complex and mostly still shrouded in secrecy. The one living soul who knows the truth of it all was the man who once owned Zapata Oil. A man named George Herbert Walker Bush.

~Heff

And guess who was in Dallas that day that JFK was shot? You guessed it George Herbert Walker Bush and this was proved because he made a telephone call to the FBI from Dallas that was logged!

"JFK's killer REVEALED on Coast to Coast this morning....."

Apparently not...

They had a fellow who revealed who he believes was JFK's killer.

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by Hefficide

 

I listened to the show. I cant buy the argument of an "outside" Billionaire doing it.

George de Mohrenschildt.....................

De Mohrenschildt seemed more like Oswald's CIA handler.
It is not that Oswald was an FBI agent either. He was an informant in what he uncovered which was a plot to kill the President.
By the CIA, and Co., for a host of interested parties.
He can't tell his people in ONI or CIA so he sought out what he thought would be an outside contact, the FBI.

reply to post by PaperbackWriter


Following Mohrenschildt, connects the dots though.

reply to post by sonnny1


Add Zapata Oil to your research.

reply to post by AthlonSavage


The risks of any retaliation (if discovered) and even the unknowns related to the US-Vietnam policy by a new administration makes the theory highly unlikely. However that does not invalidate that in a larger conspiracy she couldn't have been a player but not likely the one with the plan.

I've heard lots of theories on the JFK, I think I heard one that had Bush senior on the scene. The one that makes more sense to me is one done by a click from the CIA/FBI in conjunction with the Mob.

The recent disclosures (the dude in its death bed, Jacqueline Kennedy's tapes, Robert F. Kennedy death and the new findings on how the soon to be vice-president managed the transition) and all that has been uncovered provides good leads...

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by PaperbackWriter

 

Following Mohrenschildt, connects the dots though.

Oh sure, it connects the dots to GHWB and Zapata being a CIA front organization. It points to his intimate friendship with the Bouviers and Jackie's "Uncle George".

It may even point to Marina having been the target of the whole operation of sending Oswald to Moscow to begin with which most certainly was a CIA/ONI sanctioned event.

The sub-op was more likely that it was already known that Kennedy and not Nixon would win the 1960 election and this was in the planning FAR in advance. But, if not, then the plan was to use Oswald in the upcoming action in Cuba for propaganda purposes.

One thing that seems clear is that like all the major ops, they are set up like The Octopus. Or as the bit part hustler said in the movie JFK, an onion.

There was no monolithic reason or purpose but it served many and involved a cast of hundreds.

JFK enemies list... The Federal Reserve, CIA, anti-Castro Cubans, participants in the Bay of Pigs fiasco, Joint Chiefs, J. Edgar Hoover, Allen and John Foster Dulles, the American mafia, Jimmy Hoffa, Nixon, LBJ, the USSR, Big Oil, Madame Nhu, Big Steel, secret societies, East Germany, China, southern racists, extremist Republicans, various defeated politicians and cabinet post seekers, cuckolded husbands, Wall Street oldtimers burned by Old Joe, Hollywood execs and actors burned by Old Joe, and so forth and so on. I probably forgot some others.

The actual operation worked like a CIA plot. The coverup worked that way, too. However it went down, the perpetrators were so determined that it seems obvious they thought it was absolutely imperative to hit JFK at the time they did.

I for one, would not rule out Madame's involvement, but it would have to be along with other elements, especially some renegade faction of burned Bay of Pigs agents (which would include Nixon, Dulles, Hunt and GHW Bush). The author and researcher of the Madame Nhu theory makes some very compelling points. I think something was already in the works and she may have been instrumental in accelerating things.

Originally posted by Hefficide

E Howard Hunt pulled the trigger and the reasons for it were complex and mostly still shrouded in secrecy. The one living soul who knows the truth of it all was the man who once owned Zapata Oil. A man named George Herbert Walker Bush.

~Heff

You never know with these guys. Maybe the plan to do JFK was ready to go and this vietnamese lady came with her wish. Bush decided and said: "Yes,...sure...we can do that", and took her money. A bonus send from the devil himself.

Originally posted by Mike215
I am the person who appeared on the show and I would like everybody interested to listen to the entire show on Youtube.com: Michael Cohen on Kennedy Assassination.
I have been studying Madame Nhu case for decades and I believe it is the best answer to the puzzle on how and why JFK was killed. All my documentation comes from the Nov. 1963 NY Times microfilm in the public library.

[ snipped a bit ]

Anyway listen to my program and list any questions you might have. Notice how I prove Oswald was an FBI agent.
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Thanks Mike. I've never heard of this theory so it sounds interesting... downloading it now for a listen.

Originally posted by r2d246
I heard something interesting on coast to coast am november 22 2012 show. They had a fellow who revealed who he believes was JFK's killer... who????

Madame Nhu !!!!

Trần Lệ Xuân (22 August 1924[2] – 24 April 2011), popularly known as Madame Nhu, was the de facto First Lady of South Vietnam from 1955 to 1963. She was the wife of Ngô Đình Nhu who was the brother and chief adviser to President Ngô Đình Diệm. As Diệm was a lifelong bachelor, and because she and her family lived in the president's palace, she was considered to be the first lady.

Source: Wikipedia

So to recap he basically said that Madame Nhu and JFK had become bitter rivals because Madame Nhu and the gov entourage were running a muck in South Vietnam while the Americans were there fighting there battle.

Madame Nhu, (who sounds like a real psychopath) basically wasn't willing to take orders form JFK and was doing crazy things there like killing Buddhists.

The rivalry got very bitter and so JFK decided to use the SEE EYE AH to do a coup of the SV leaders, Ngô Đình Nhu (who was the brother and chief adviser to Ngô Đình Diệm) and President Ngô Đình Diệm. The coupe got screwed up and instead of a coup the 2 were found with there hands tied behind there backs, shot by rifle bullets to the back of the head.

Madame Nhu was touring the U.S. when she heard the news of her husband's murder. She publicly said....

Such a cruel injustice against a faithful ally cannot go unnoticed, and THOSE WHO INDULGE IN IT WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. . .

National Press

So then when she was visiting America in 1963 she basically rallied some of JFK's biggest enemies and used her billions to help grease the wheels to get the ball rolling on a ass-ass-in-a-shion plan. And she demanded that it happen by rifle bullet to the back of the head, to signify the same method of death of her relatives.

So anyway if you wanna hear all that it was on Coast to Coast am radio show this morning. I thought was really interesting. The guy had done a ton of research so It sounded rather interesting.

so...........WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON IT???

Visiting the US in 1963


Madame Nhu and Vice President Johnson
Saigon , May 12, 1961.

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I haven't even read your thread yet, nor any replies, but....."Running a muck"?

Oh please.....

It's.........running amok!

reply to post by Hongkongphooey


Yea Hong, its clear to see the head shot was from the front. Problem is all to many have never hunted or been to combat and seen bullets in action and effect. In fact for some the shot from the rear idea is a cause of great comedy.