Ex- Congressman talks about 9/11/01 Attack! Must Read!

I just wouldn't have added the brick part mate - even if it really did happen, I would omit that part from the story just to shut up a large chunk of the naysayers.

So, uh, you kind of cut the story short. What happened after the brick went through the window? How did the congressman react? So on and so forth

I am reading OPs posts and frankly, he doesn't seem like making this up at least to most of it, unless he exaggerates few things. Whether this congressman's story is correct, the part with getting rid of the passengers, sounds weird.

I do not follow 9/11 but - has anyone ever mentioned any bodies to have been found from the passengers? Anything to prove that some of the dead people were from the airplanes? If not then... it doesn't sound that wild to think that there were no passengers on the planes - it's actually the first time I hear of such thing.

The thread also is a good example how some from their Nay-saying without any knowledge will not believe it when a story does happen. Now I see how some stories are falsy dismissed.

reply to post by iclark97


May i state the obvious? You might want to try using periods more often when you post something.

Endless bouquets of flames hurled the OP's way for a simple entirely realistic personal account that you read and take with however much salt the slug can swallow. The replyers started from a place of healthy, respectful skepticism but the scavengers quickly jumped and latched on, "disproving" the retelling of a personal story through the cheap yet unrelenting fists of a dozen small attackers, each importantly holding the same vague, unfounded personal attacks. If it is all untrue, what is gained from a gang up of hate....when on the other hand, if true, well that is just unjust and frustrating. Why don't you all hold hands?

An "outside the box" theory one could derive from this story, if they chose to take the OPs word for it, to give it some real world weight jumps out to me instantly...

[name removed] is a retired congressman who was once a union leader in the state of Illinois. Everyone knows of the historical corruption that still under rides modern day Chicago. I am not sure how far the influence spreads, but could see how to some degree it could be a statewide thing. Union Leader is a job that has been held by a disproportionate amount of criminals, sometimes could be seen as an introductory/pay your dues position to welcome crooked politicians into their greasy world. It is not hard to imagine A [name removed] needing to harm someone, as it is natural for their kind.

This being laid out, we now get to the part of relevency. The OP stated he is a large Samoan male. 6 foot 4 and 300 pounds. Now if he sold this man a home entertainment system and made a good impression as to his competency and personality, and if this man had a need for some muscle, Intimidators of the classic stature....well now there are actually connections you can make. 6 foot 4, 300 pound guys are not all that common. The OP being of samoan descent you can assume he is physically much better balanced and athletic than your typical guy that size due to the general frame structures of Samoans.

If said ex congressman/union leader was/is involved with anything nefarious, then any big boy will catch his eye as potential muscle and the combination of mental lucidity with this uncommon size actually might warrant an invitation and the seemingly secret information an empty offering of trust.

OP, Phil found you to be a very nice young man, and quite fancied your imposing physique. You failed when the staged brick was hurled through the window; your natural reaction to not act and underlying uneasiness you expressed of the vague confrontation eliminated you from the unofficial recruitment process. At this point you were already supposed to feel a protective bond to this man, jump up red hot ready to throw fists in the dark. He mistook your earnestness and eagerness for a weak will and malleable mind, and since you're not a ragefull bully pit and not too eager to please an old seemingly important white man, you can achieve everything you're supposed to.

Something about this post really rubbed me the wrong way, as I grew up in Rock Island and still live in the QCA. Would there be a way me and you get together and do some kind of interview? I'm a local western student, I'd be interested in cracking this thing wide open if you wouldn't mind.

Originally posted by iclark97
I have a Bachelors degree in Early Euorpean History, Astronomy and Anthropology

Since you said you were 22, how exactly did you get a bachelor's degree in three different subjects in only 4 years (assuming you started at 18 like most people do)? Most people can't even get a bachelor's in one subject in 4 years, but you did 3 subjects? It's even more hard to believe seeing that astronomy is one of the subjects, which is a very heavy subject that alone would be very hard to do by itself in 4 years. This just doesn't look possible at all, you'd have to have taken far more units than what would have been allowed by your university, combined with the fact that there just aren't enough hours in the day to complete that amount of coursework in that short amount of time.

reply to post by bl4ke360


I started college credits while in Junior High in Texas, i was placed in a special program called Quest, by the time i was out of high school all pre reqs were done. With those out of the way it was simple enough, just had to do all of the fun stuff, ( The courses I actually was interested in)

reply to post by TheTruthISOne


I'd be more than happy to talk to you. I'm free after 6pm tonight. PM me if your serious, bring a pen and paper.

reply to post by bl4ke360


If you are from the US and not familiar with the US edu system which freedom of choice I like more than the European one, it would be a pity. You need credits, you take any subjects you want, continue them in the same direction, e.g Astronomy 131 141 then start with harder Astronomy as prerequisite,. That's what I did for some time. At the same time taking other completely different subjects.

This is somewhat an off-subject post but is needed to address a LARGE misconception. Just because the vast majority of people on this site prefer to believe that no plane hit the Pentagon does not make you right and does not make me non-informed on the theories. I have put 100’s of hours of research into 9/11 and whole heartedly believed Pilots for 911 Truth and CIT’s information and you will also find me listed under patriots for 911 truth as well.

Upon weighing both sides, in order to believe a missile hit the Pentagon or a bomb was planted at the Pentagon itself you have to overlook too many practical physical details to accept this theory.

a. The generator outside the Pentagon was impacted and physical damage was inflicted that resembles a 757 engine impact.

b. The light poles were knocked over and pre-staging cannot account for them being knocked over.

c. Many people saw an incoming aircraft and a few described it as a missile, but the vast majority stated it was an aircraft.

d. Numerous aircraft parts were found outside the Pentagon, even damaging cars making it impossible for the parts to have been pre-planted.

e. The turbine rotor everyone states does not fit a 757 does in-fact fit a RB211 engine, it is one of the last rotors of the engine. I have counted the blades and matched parts, it fits.

f. People state the diffuser section does not fit a 757, it does. Once again I matched parts, it fits.

g. The front landing strut was located inside the Pentagon, it fits.

h. At least two rims of a 757 were found, one outside the last penetration hole.

Do I believe the official story, no. Pilots for 911 Truth did a fantastic job of analyzing the black box data. The most important part of the information to me is the cockpit door was never opened after tack-off and the plane was at 273’ at one second or less before impact.

But two things need to be addressed on those items as well. Data that was not on the original data file analysis is stated to have to been recovered which would account for the high altitude. Only one person states he saw a low flying commercial aircraft after the impact, Officer Roosevelt. But if you listen to Roosevelt you can tell he does not know what a turbo-prop aircraft versus a turbine aircraft but does not want to look unknowledgeable and states it is a commercial aircraft.

Then you have the April Gallop story. A witness that saw her after the explosion states she did not exit through the penetration hole. And think about it, these were intense fires and she walked through them? According to SSgt Braman and another lady (that I cannot currently locate on the web) states April went through a set of double doors that was not normally opened to the outside due to security.

April says that she suffered a concussion and having ridden motocross for a number of years I know what they can do to a person. I have seen people ask the same question three different times in a minute and still be unable to retain the answer. I have been hit so hard that I went temporarily blind in one wreck and my daughter said for the rest of the day I acted funny, though it seemed like I was acting normally.

There were misconceptions, distrust, lies, half-truths, full-truths and any other numerous reasons we do not want to believe our government….but there is too much evidence that states a 757 hit the Pentagon.

Just for the record, I believe it was allowed to happed and perhaps even helped by remote control of the 757. I do not think our base military would have allowed it to happen intentionally, but the politically connected upper echelons of the military may have. I believe evidence proves that the flight over Shanksville, PA was shot down. I also believe the two WTCs were impacted by remotely flown 757s and that all three of the WTCs were prerigged.

But anyway, I’m tired of people looking at my post and stating I am not informed.

Rich

reply to post by comfortablynumb


Yes, Well, from what I can tell it's Operation Northwoods. From what I can gather it's exactly the 9/11 attacks.

Originally posted by whyamIhere
Great Story...

If you are 12.

However,you will fit right in here...

Yup, fits ATS like a glove these days. 12 years old is giving a college student that can't put 10 words together into a decent sentence too much credit. Working as a retail clerk so full of himself that he's invited to a former Congressman's home and there talks about 911 being an inside job... and then the ignorant kid spreads the story on the internet.

This makes more sense as some variety of homosexual encounter.

So what percentage, roughly, of your customers take you out for a meal after a completed sale? I bought a new TV last week and I got a really good deal, but I have to admit that I felt no particular compunction to buy the salesman dinner!

Then there's the tale itself.....

I am, to put it mildly, unconvinced!

PS - Presumably this is who we are talking about:

www.govtrack.us...

What's the big deal ATS? Even if you doubt this guys story how could you doubt the truth that you already know?
Even if you think he is exaggerating a little it still fits in with what the majority of us have always believed.
I have always "known" and "believed" that the passengers where taken somewhere and disposed of.
The phone calls to loved ones were faked using voice changing tech. There is plenty of evidence for this if you look.
I think people are still trying to spin this official story out and I just don't see it working.

Everyone knows that 911 was a complete inside job, so why doubt this guys story?

Nice read but,

I feel that if 9/11 was an inside job that no congressman would know about it. After all their careers can br short.

There is no way in hell that a super secret mission such as a 9/11 job would be known by loud mouthed speakers of BS.

This Guy us blowing speculative smoke up your bung.

I mean why would this Guy need to know that kind of info anyways? Answer is, he wouldn't and he would be a security risk to those who are involved.

Has anyone contacted [name removed] to make him aware of this thread? Email contact should be fairly simple. Might be interesting. I haven't read the entire thread to know if this has been proposed.

reply to post by Imtor


Bodies tend to not survive plane crashes intact, so when they say they have found bodies, they're talking about parts. But yes, they did find body parts at Shanksville, and at the Pentagon. It's more problematic at Ground Zero, as the collapse tended to take the already destroyed bodies, and reduce them even further.

reply to post by iclark97


Okay as it stands Samaon guy; I dont belive you. I want to, the conspiracy theorist part of me.. but I dont!

Unless you can answer a few things for me, so this "story" is more belivable. You've put alot of energy into this thread, so you should have no problem explaining some things.

besides, i'm 6' 5" 290 lb Samoan, i highly doubt he would even want to get involved with me

Please share where you live, are you native to the Samoa Islands? Do you live on the island or in the states?

This is interesting as I've never really looked at the Samoan culture before, ever. So this was a good time to learn about it..anyone do some research into Samoa. Just going link from link in wikipedia; I found many differnt pages modified recently, for instance..

Samoa .. "This page was last modified on 21 November 2012 at 21:51." .. intriguing; the same time and day a so called Samoan is trying to defend himself on AbovetopSecret .. coincedence?

Then wiki has a little message: "This article is about the nation of Samoa. For the neighboring U.S. territory, see American Samoa. For the island chain, see Samoan Islands. For other uses, see Samoa (disambiguation)"

So I clicked American Samoa .. which has also been modified: "This page was last modified on 21 November 2012 at 01:38"

So OP, please share your background, this will end the difference of hoax or a true story

When I was following the thread I was reading most of your replies.. your typing and english is great obviously because:

C) I have a Bachelors degree in Early Euorpean History, Astronomy and Anthropology, im not just some Best Buy guy it was a short term thing for extra cash for a few months

This is really interesting, all three of those subjects are very intriguing in many different ways. This makes me interested in your character. I can understand the Best Buy job as a side way to make cash while you goto college.. but at one point you said "I tripled Majored in Astronomy Anthropology and Early European History. for 4 years. wasnt easy" ..

If I were Mr. [name removed] having a conversation with you, and you brought this up, I would be very curious and share thoughts..

This 33rd Degree Mason deffinately has some belief towards the stars, and being Scottish Rite Mason, I bet he had lots of interest in your knowledge of early European history..
You stated that you 'triple' majored in Astonomy, Anthropology and Early European History..
So now hes intrigued at what you know.. your intrigued at what he knows.. okay?

Coat of Arms of American Samoa
hmm.. looks freemason. Im not going to make a history lesson out of this information but people might want to look into this. Keep in mind some of the wiki links connected to this Samoan culture has been updated recently

Yes cover ups are that easy

OP tell us when this conversation took place, and tell us about your Samoan culture. Are you located in the US or the the island ?

If you cant answer this information you will look like a liar.. which is what this seems to be a made up story.. but maybe your telling the truth

Originally posted by liejunkie01
Nice read but,

I feel that if 9/11 was an inside job that no congressman would know about it. After all their careers can br short.

There is no way in hell that a super secret mission such as a 9/11 job would be known by loud mouthed speakers of BS.

This Guy us blowing speculative smoke up your bung.

I mean why would this Guy need to know that kind of info anyways? Answer is, he wouldn't and he would be a security risk to those who are involved.

The invasion and toppling of dominoes in the middle east was planned long before 9-11 and can be understood by reading PNAC documents. (among others) It is some of the best violent theatre for manipulation of the herd to date (staged mass shootings for gun control come a close 2nd though). A catalysing event (Pearl Harbor type) had to occur to get the serfs behind the perpetual conquest and theft and to act as the perpetual boogieman in the fraudlant 'war on terror' (War on Privacy and War on Liberty)

I have no opinion on the validity of the OP story yet. But most of the objections voiced so far to the OP seem childish. It is entirely possible an ex congressman that likes to socialize and talk alot, voices his opinions and convictions and what is making the 'rumor mill' in some of the higher up political circles, to someone he recently met from an involved sale, in a personal setting. Possible. Nothing earth shattering, there are many many more out there who have a much higher profile and have come forward with their own views of one of the biggest frauds (9-11) ever to be Hollywood scripted onto the psych of the American people.