Many Have A Horrible Understand of The Israeli/Palestine Conlict Here! Don't You Know What WAR Is

reply to post by Kharron


Gypsy's by their nature, don't have a country. They are Roma (Roaming People) and certainly Roma are targets in every country they go to - but they don't choose to stay in one place.

Jews have a cultural, historical and religious ties with the area in the middle east. Britain, when in control, gave it to the Jews to settle.

From the point of view of the Jews, who have settled in every country around the globe, acclimitized with every culture, brought prosperity to many countries by lending money, only to find themselves the target of another pogram, there is no place else for them to go.

These people are demanding a place to stand on this earth and they are ready to fight and die for it!

Got the message yet? The worm has turned!

Go ahead - explain to me why the arab world has not absorbed the Palestinians in the last 70 years!

Tired of Control Freaks

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Nice. I was wondering who what when where how why.... with all this gaza israel talk.

This OP does clear it up A LOT. But personally, I could use a bit more information with comparisons.

From what i have read they both have ties to the area going way way back. The whole mess is hard to unravel, there is just too much information and dis-information. Israel fought for it. Palestine fought for it. Britain gave it to Israel. Israel fought for it again and won. It may be wrong or it may be right. Either way the decision was made and it has been 70 years. Clearly Israel is willing to fight to the death for it. Sometimes people do the wrong things for the right reason. Sometimes we are punished for things we did not do. I agree with some that the Palestinians should be absorbed by the Middle East. Not because it is the right thing to do, because it is the only thing to do to avoid world war and the death of possibly millions. Right and wrong have become blurred to the point that it is the only way to end it.

reply to post by TiredofControlFreaks


Well I didn't mean to derail the thread but I'd like to respond to your response.

Actually, Roma or Romani have nothing to do with roaming -- that's a common misconception, since they, well seem nomadic due to not having a country. In their own language, Rom means Man, so it's just their way of calling themselves people.

Growing up in southern Europe, I've had many gypsy friends and also many encounters with them that left me lighter of lunch money. They consider themselves to originate also from Asia, and I guess if they were more religious and had a book, they could probably claim some land in Asia for themselves.


Khar

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks

These people are demanding a place to stand on this earth and they are ready to fight and die for it!

Ok, this is just wrong on so many levels.
What is wrong with you?

I am so sick of these crazy MSM brainwashed people who blindly support the apartheid state of Israel.

They are definitely as bad if not worse than the Nazis. I'm not talking about the Jewish people, I'm talking about the Zionist leaders who serve the cult of Banksters that run this world. They are just stringing the Jewish people along to take the blame for everything.

The Palestinians should just all be absorbed by other Arab nations. When the last Palestinian leaves Israel, all the countries that have a beef with the Zionists should hit Israel with everything they got at the same time. It's what they deserve. It would be even better if they could get all the international banking families to move there just before. That would be epic!!

I'm not a warmonger, I just believe that those who deal in death and live by the sword and also those who support them should have no place in our world.

I am not taking sides here as like others, I have seen the news from both sides and it isn't simple. Each time there is a war, each time this encourages revenge/hatred for the deaths - so war is just begetting more war. This is not unique to Israel but was being played out in Yugoslavia in the 1990s, with killings from both sides. Every new death pushes peace that little bit further away.

To me, this will only end when the borders come down and the people of Israel and Gaza can talk to each other and see that inside themselves, they are no different. The heroes will be the people who dare to bridge the communications gap between Israelis and Palestinian, even if this is in encouraging say a small joint group or club in some way

As ever it is the governments of both that like to be enemies not the people - both sides would prefer peace and stability. This is the standard trick by governments to cause a war to show how "strong" they are and to enable their poor domestic politics to be forgotten about.

Originally posted by templar knight
I am not taking sides here as like others, I have seen the news from both sides and it isn't simple. Each time there is a war, each time this encourages revenge/hatred for the deaths - so war is just begetting more war. This is not unique to Israel but was being played out in Yugoslavia in the 1990s, with killings from both sides. Every new death pushes peace that little bit further away.

Well, you should take a side, haven't you heard that The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict.

Besides Yugoslavia is a very bad example, there were 4 -5-6 sides there and most of them are protesting today, against the Israeli attacks on Gaza. That must count for something. Killing people and destroying property is never the way to go. Better look at the Czech and Slovak republic(s). They both agreed on independence without a bullet and then just went on with their lives. Everybody stayed and lived peacefully in their homes even if the street got a new area code. Big ff deal!!

On the other hand they did agree on contemporary borders, not some Dinosaur and Mongolian republic borders, if you get what i'm trying to convey here.

its just very sad.
i think the human race is better than this.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I don't know how many posts i've read where people are saying Gaza fired first and Israel is only responding.
What?????

That's like saying a slave hit his master first then the master beat him up, it was only in response.

Well not only that, but most of the time Israel starts it as well. The master hits the slave with a baseball bat and the slave hits back with a matchstick (if at all).

The following charts shows conflict pause interruptions, black represents the times Israel broke the peace and attacked first...


www.huffingtonpost.com...

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Seriously...
I haven't at all made any comments this month on any Israeli or Gaza so far but I have been reading other people's posts.
More and more I still thinking.... why bother?
So instead of repeating it over and over and several threads I decided to make on thread.
Because very few seem have even a basic understanding of war!

I don't know how many posts i've read where people are saying Gaza fired first and Israel is only responding.
What?????

That's like saying a slave hit his master first then the master beat him up, it was only in response.

Gaza is an open air prison with little food, water and medical support.
This is because Israel has put a blockade around it with robot snipers around the walls in case anyone comes too close to a fence.

So it literally is an open air prison because if a someone from the west bank gets arrested after he gets out of prison he's often then sent to Gaza even if his home is in the West Bank.

From being in bondage to forced to be impoverished and hungry what do people expect?
Checkpoints everywhere....walking up with tanks and IDF soliers allowed to knock on your door and use an upstairs room in your home for either visibility or even sniper positions.

What do you expect?
Candies, flowers and hugs?


Forget Palestine for a moment
Imagine someone blockaded New York, you don't think NY would fight back?
How about Texas, you don't think Texans would fight back????

They would throw rockets, rocks, bullets and the kitchen sink

I don't get the logic here
If Israel is maintaining acts of war on a daily basis how is it ever possible for Palestine to strike first?

edit on 18-11-2012 by ModernAcademia because: (no reason given)

I don't know whole lot of fact, but from my understanding there were blockage and robot sniper put up around around Gaza. I remember there were lot of suicidal bombs, terrorist straps the bombs on suicidal then walk into Israeli then blow themselves up at buses, restaurant, and other places. Israel had to put up with it. It had happen lot in the 80's, 90's, then thing I haven't heard much in the 2000. I don't know, I never live in place where people gets blown up, live in fear and have to deal with it every day..

reply to post by ModernAcademia


War is a 2 ways street, and while i have no love for zionism i must say that this "war" has been raging for far longer than the modern Israel hs existed. This conflict goes back for thousands of years, it was just put on hiatus 2000 years ago after the Israelis were exiled by Rome and even then the survivors of those rebellions still had troubles with the arabs and more so when Islam was fabricated.

What we are seeing is old wars come again, history repeating itself as time comes full circle, symbolized by the serpent eating it's own tail.

This isn't an open and shut, black and white ordeal here, there is alot going on in both sides, the rest of us do not see but Hamas is far from being the "good guys". There is no such thing as "good guys and bad guys", just men doing what men do best. Making war.

Ha-Irgun Ha-Tzvai Ha-Leumi be-Eretz Yisrael

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Seriously...
I haven't at all made any comments this month on any Israeli or Gaza so far but I have been reading other people's posts.
More and more I still thinking.... why bother?
So instead of repeating it over and over and several threads I decided to make on thread.
Because very few seem have even a basic understanding of war!

I don't know how many posts i've read where people are saying Gaza fired first and Israel is only responding.
What?????

That's like saying a slave hit his master first then the master beat him up, it was only in response.

Gaza is an open air prison with little food, water and medical support.
This is because Israel has put a blockade around it with robot snipers around the walls in case anyone comes too close to a fence.

So it literally is an open air prison because if a someone from the west bank gets arrested after he gets out of prison he's often then sent to Gaza even if his home is in the West Bank.

From being in bondage to forced to be impoverished and hungry what do people expect?
Checkpoints everywhere....walking up with tanks and IDF soliers allowed to knock on your door and use an upstairs room in your home for either visibility or even sniper positions.

What do you expect?
Candies, flowers and hugs?


Forget Palestine for a moment
Imagine someone blockaded New York, you don't think NY would fight back?
How about Texas, you don't think Texans would fight back????

They would throw rockets, rocks, bullets and the kitchen sink

I don't get the logic here
If Israel is maintaining acts of war on a daily basis how is it ever possible for Palestine to strike first?

edit on 18-11-2012 by ModernAcademia because: (no reason given)

When you start caring about the millions upon millions of people in other parts of the world that are much, MUCH worse off than the Palestinians, then maybe I will start caring about what you have to say about them.

Maybe.

I am constantly denouncing Israel on these forums, because of what they themselves do. However, lately I've been wondering if I am being too critical of their country and government, to an unfair degree. I hate some of the things they are doing just as much as anyone, but I try to remind myself that out of all of the other countries in the region, none of them want a Jewish state to exist. I am against a strike on Iran, but I dislike Iran as well.

It is true that many people in the Iranian government would attack Israel if they had the opportunity, because they do not believe Israel should exist. I understand why Israel is doing what it is doing to the Palestinians, because Israelis have put up with being thrust into wars in the past just to exist as an independent state. However, many Palestinians are just innocent bystanders, not Hamas supporters, who do not really care whether Israel exists or not. But there are a lot of radicals as well.

I think that Israel does a lot of what they do as a preemptive measure to grant their sovereignty. This does not make it right, but I think they are a little afraid considering all of their neighbors are their enemies for the most part. I think that Israel really does want peace, but it is not up to them whether they get it or not. They have ceded territory in the past as a measure for reconciliation, but to no avail. Countries like Iran, who deserve their sovereignty as well, will not let this conflict end. So for all the wrongs Israel has committed, their enemies have committed the same amount.

This is the first time I've defended Israel on these forums, that I can recall, and I think it would do everyone some good to educate themselves on the subject...You will come to realize that it is not all the fault of one nation, because many nations are doing detestable things.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Why do you explain the same things? Everyone on this board is as ignorant as you when it comes to Gaza. Where is your outrage at Egypt? Where is your outrage at Hamas for saying they would fire at and KILL the Gaza refugees Israel was allowing to return? Where is the outrage over the consant rockets being fired which is the reason for the blockade to begin with? Ignorance at it's finest.

Originally posted by ElderOfZion

Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

I've stayed away from the topic because I don't know the full extent or who is right or wrong. But, I have to comment now. You state Gaza has little food, water or medical support. If they can't get these things then where are they getting the bombs they've been hurling over to Israel for how long?

They have had access to bombs, right? Bullets? Guns? Where are the weapons coming from?

P.S. This is not an attack. I really want to know what's wrong with this picture?

edit on 11/19/2012 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)

Quick answer. Weapons smuggled in from Iran. Medical support from Arab countries. Electricity and water from .... Israel.

And, nobody thought to smuggle in food?

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by grobi77

 

Israel exists because no country in the world gave them a place on this earth to stand. Jews have been discriminated against and killed for no other reason then their religion for 2000 years.

So they claim a piece of scrub desert as their own. A piece of land that no one gave a goddam # about until the Jews took it. The indiginous population was welcome to stay but fled. The rest of the Arab world refused to take in about 1/2 million arabs and then it began.

Where would you suggest that Jews should go? Do they have a right to exist?

Tired of Control Freaks

thats a short sighted view, and besides, over 90% of jews are descended from the kazars, a warring race that adopted jewish religion on orders from their king. its pretty obvious the bad blood is still there.

the indigenous population was never invited to stay in their OWN land. they were systematically terrorized by your beloved terror specialists so that they would leave., or face a massacre. the figure was initially 700, 000 and that event is known as "nakba".

reply to post by Drunkenparrot
What withdrawal? Remember the recent war and little kids being shot on their way to school. Israel has never stopped their war on the palestinians.

reply to post by TiredofControlFreaks
Britain gave Palestine to the Jews under duress i.e. threat of terrorism on the British mainland. Get over yourself sweetie.