Is the USA Now Under God's Judgement?

Originally posted by ShakaDoodle
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

it's clear that God's judgement has already begun.

Originally posted by buster2010
How can America be under the judgment of something that has yet been proven to exist? It's funny how people say there are no aliens but believe in God with the same amount of proof.

Originally posted by pacifier2012

Originally posted by buster2010
How can America be under the judgment of something that has yet been proven to exist? It's funny how people say there are no aliens but believe in God with the same amount of proof.

Well strangely...(and I can't believe I have to point this out to you) but aliens are supposed to be physical beings you can see but God is a spiritual being living in a dimension you can't see.

I can;t see Goid becuase I live in another dimension. But I'm suppossed to be able to see aliens. Are there any photos of any? Rememebr aliens are the invention of the movie industry.

Clear enough?

Originally posted by defcon5
According to historicism, its the final 'Beast' mentioned in the book of Revelation.

It meets all the criteria of being that last beast:

1) It had two horns like a lamb: Starts out as a christian nation, has the appearance of a lamb.

2) but it spoke like a dragon: Becomes the most worldly nation on Earth and the final world superpower. Uses its might to bully other nations into line.

3) It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf: The first beast being Rome. The US is based on the Roman Empire. Our laws are based on Justinian I's legal codex, we even have the same type of government: An Oligarchical Republic. There are thousands of simularities between the US and Rome, too many for me to recount here.

4) whose fatal wound had been healed: It comes into existence shortly before the Roman Catholic Chruch was removed from political power by General Berthier in 1798. Obviously we declared our independence in 1776. Even John Wesley had this figured out, and wrote about the second beast arising in his lifetime while writing his commentary of Revelation in 1760.

5) And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people: Been there, done that: Trinity

6) It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived: We force other countries to accept our form of Democracy, Capitalist Oligarchical Republics, and to partake of our banking and financial system. If they refuse we invade them under the auspices of protecting them from Communism. Of course, just like the Roman Empire, this system is by the rich, for the rich, to exploit the rest as slave workers. To exploit their national resources, and be worldly in general. Last time I checked God is very much against folks being 'Worldly”...

7) It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads: We are in the process of doing this right now. Using UN biometric ICAO (used on E-Passports) facial recognition on all US ID cards. REAL ID: CONNECTING THE DOTS TO AN INTERNATIONAL ID

Originally posted by Hydroman
I wonder why this god can't speak clearly to his people so they don't get his word wrong?

Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by Hydroman
I wonder why this god can't speak clearly to his people so they don't get his word wrong?

BTW... John was writing in the same prophetic language as Daniel. The Angels sent to Daniel give a clear explanation of everything that is mentioned in each vision, including the fact that all the beasts and part of the statue, all relate to World Superpowers of their day.

John, followed this language, and he also wrote somewhat cryptically as he was speaking against the Roman Empire who had already sent him into exile as being a PITA.

Come roughly 1500 years later, and the Bible falls into the hands of the public that the Roman Catholic Church has been preventing up to this time. It becomes harder for them to hide that they are obviously not mentioned in a "good light" in prophecy. So their answer to this was to muddy the waters through the Protestant Counter Reformation, brought about by the Council of Trent. They hid their place in prophecy, and by doing so hid who the last beast was as well...

So to answer your question, its not God who wrote it cryptically, its the RCC who muddied up the waters.

Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by NoJoker13

 

There are only three serious schools of Christian Eschatology, so no, its not just “another attempt to interpret what a vague "prophecy" was trying to convey”. There are really only three ways to interpret it, two of which are both brought about through the RCC Protestant Counter Reformation, by the Jesuit Order as sanctioned under the Council of Trent. Futurism, and Preterism are both Anti-Protestant Propaganda, and Preterism is still the school followed by Catholics to this day. Futurism, the one that even the folks who wrote it rejected, has become the main school now accepted by Protestants since Hal Lindsey wrote the “Late Great Planet Earth”, and got it a bunch of publicity.

… However...
No Protestant Christian should be following either of these RCC schools, they should be following the schools that all the original Protestant Fathers taught and believed, Historicism.

Is it fact... Yes, I believe that it is, and that the history exists to prove that it is fact.

edit on 11/16/2012 by defcon5 because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
The reason that God and His followers believe homosexuality to be sinful is because it does not allow for the procreation of the human race.

Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
There is also the increased probablity of the spread of deadly diseases. Have you ever heard of sepis or septic shock. These are overwhelming infections that can be spread in various ways, but homosexual contact between men can easily spread this infection, especially when men are practicing on the "down low." It has been my experience that God has a pretty good reason for all of his laws, from the Ten Commandments on. I refer you to the books Deutoronmy and Leviticus, modern translation, and possibly a good commentary.